Efforts to keep Winchester alive in Connecticut

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From the New Haven Register ( http://www.nhregister.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=16200231&BRD=1281&PAG=461&dept_id=517515&rfi=8 ):

Elm City brings in big guns to help keep USRAC from closing

Damian J. Troise and Andy Bromage, Register Staff

02/26/2006

NEW HAVEN — Inside the lobby of the U.S. Repeating Arms Co. factory here hangs a large red banner, depicting cowboys riding on horseback in full stride that reads, "Winchester: The Adventure Continues."

But that adventure, at least here in the Elm City, is set to end March 31, when the factory at 344 Winchester Ave. shuts down, taking with it 186 jobs and a 140-year American legacy.

To that end, a posse of politicians and gun industry insiders has mustered in the hope of saving "The Gun That Won The West."

Employing legal maneuvers, appeals to American pride and good old-fashioned political muscle, Connecticut’s congressional delegation and New Haven Mayor John DeStefano Jr. are pressing hard to keep the Winchester brand here.

The campaign has intensified since U.S. Repeating Arms Co. announced in January it would shutter its plant. City officials are courting local gun makers to take over the sprawling factory and stop the Belgium-based Herstal Group from outsourcing Winchester production to Japan or Portugal. The closure will stop production on Winchester Models 70, 94 and 1300, while other models will still be made overseas.

Development officials say the city has a half-dozen interested gun makers, all within 150 miles of New Haven, but declined to name them.

U.S. Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., and U.S. Rep. Rosa DeLauro, D-3, have taken up the fight, holding closed-door meetings with USRAC managers to urge them to consider all options before closing.

"When the (congressional) delegation gets together we can occasionally make things happen," Dodd said last week, after meeting with USRAC officials.

Olin Corp. of Missouri owns the Winchester brand name and licenses the product to USRAC, a subsidiary of Herstal Group. Herstal, a Belgian company part owned by the government, also owns firearms maker Browning.

USRAC’s license expires in March 2007, or immediately if it ceases production.

Speculation has surfaced in the gun industry in recent weeks that the Belgians intentionally devalued the assets of the New Haven plant to close in order to get the Winchester license re-awarded to Browning. One gun industry executive, who spoke anonymously because he is not authorized to talk with reporters, suggested Herstal wanted to run USRAC into the ground so no company would want to set up in New Haven, and Herstal could move production overseas.

Kevin Tierney, a Guilford-based consultant hired by the city, acknowledged there is no conclusive proof to substantiate that claim, suggesting an audit far beyond the city’s means would be required to verify if it were true.

Scott Grange, a spokesman for Browning/Winchester, part of Herstal, was unavailable for comment Friday, but previously said the decision was strictly financial.

"After years of attempting to make the facility profitable, our owners have decided that’s just not going to happen," Grange said when the plant closure was announced. "The bottom line was we were losing money on every gun we built."

Tierney and others in the industry, though, said Herstal marketed the Winchester brand poorly, selling guns in Wal-Mart and using cheaper quality wood and metal plating.

"They weren’t taking advantage of the Winchester line," Tierney said. "They went for the bottom. Once you do that, it’s the kiss of death."

Not everyone agrees.

"It’s unreasonable to expect an old business model to continue forever," said Jim Shepherd, editor of The Outdoor Wire, an Internet publication covering the industry. "I have talked to people in the company and they’ve done everything they could for 10 years to avoid closing."

Manufacturing expenses and lagging sales are the culprit for the plant’s planned closure, he said.

"The plant has been on the market for a decade and nobody’s had any interest in it," he said.

Many in the industry also sensed the plant’s closure was imminent when they caught wind of the International Association of Machinists contract signed last March after tense negotiation sessions. Workers feared the company wanted to move jobs to a Browning facility in South Carolina. One of the stipulations of the contract was to postpone any decision to move jobs for one year, which would be March 2006.

Industry experts say Olin Corp., the primary seller of Winchester ammunition, is caught in a Catch 22. If the company grants the Winchester license to Browning and the rifles are made overseas, Olin risks the ire of American gun collectors and a corresponding drop in sales.

But if the license expires with no successor in sight, Olin Corp. risks a gap in Winchester production that might be enough to sink the brand, analysts suggest.

"Olin would be coming into the next hunting season without a new product on the shelves," the gun industry executive said. "Their preference is to stay in the U.S., and they’d prefer to stay in New Haven. But they will go foreign rather than have nothing at all."

Ann Pipkin, spokeswoman for Olin’s Winchester Ammunition Division, said Olin is committed to granting the Winchester license to a quality gun manufacturer, but has yet to decide who will get the license.

If all else fails, the city is prepared to file a legal action to collect on taxes the city deferred over years in efforts to keep the USRAC plant afloat, said Kelly Murphy, city development administrator. Murphy said USRAC could be liable for $750,000, plus interest, because tax breaks were conditioned on the company not relocating.

"We’re pursuing all available options," Murphy said.
 
I have been keeping an eye on this one since I grew up just down the road from New Haven. Interesting to note the party of the Senator and Representative who are working on this;)
 
I'm positive they'd continue making guns there if the workers were willing to work at wage levels consistent with the countries that will get the production. There will be more Winchesters, they just won't be made in the United States.
 
If all else fails, the city is prepared to file a legal action to collect on taxes the city deferred over years in efforts to keep the USRAC plant afloat, said Kelly Murphy, city development administrator. Murphy said USRAC could be liable for $750,000, plus interest, because tax breaks were conditioned on the company not relocating.

"We’re pursuing all available options," Murphy said.

What a moron. Lets see 188 workers times $40,000 per year.
$7,520,000 times 5% taxes for a start. The city, state and who ever else has a hand in the company's and workers pocket will be losing $376,000 per year in tax revenue. Not to mention the Union Dues lost to the Union big shots.
As far as Winchester is concerned it is another reason to cut their losses and bail.
Edit:I should clarify that statement and say after this moron made the threat. I would publicly say drop dead Kelly Murphy thanks for convincing us it is the right thing to close the doors to this plant. BTW New Haven is a living wage city.
 
Politicians fighting to save a gun manufacturer? Now, I've seen everything.
I wouldn't want to guess at their chances, but it's good to see they are trying.
 
Interesting to note the party of the Senator and Representative who are working on this

They're Democrats... They don't wanna save the guns, they wanna save the Union jobs and Union dues.

Here's a perfect example of how Democrats think:

Speculation has surfaced in the gun industry in recent weeks that the Belgians intentionally devalued the assets of the New Haven plant to close in order to get the Winchester license re-awarded to Browning. One gun industry executive, who spoke anonymously because he is not authorized to talk with reporters, suggested Herstal wanted to run USRAC into the ground so no company would want to set up in New Haven, and Herstal could move production overseas.

Obviously another piece of evidence demonstrating the existence of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.:neener:

USRAC should relocate to Arizona. We got enough scabs out here to break their union. Since winchester won the west, it can come out here and collect. :)
 
Politicians fighting to save a gun manufacturer? Now, I've seen everything.
I wouldn't want to guess at their chances, but it's good to see they are trying.

They would fight to save a porn studio if it paid enough in taxes for them to spend on all their pork barrel projects, don't give them too much credit :evil:
 
I cannot say that I am surprised that other firearm companies are chomping at the bit to gain the Winchester license. While we might have issues with some practices of most American firearm producers, I think it would be very good if Ruger, Remington, Smith and Wesson, Springfield Armory, Barrett, or Kimber (just to name a few) bought the license and kept the production lines moving.

We haven't seen the last of the model 94.
 
There's a bit of tradition of gun manufacture in New England, especially Connecticut. Somebody's trying to save American jobs, and what's left of Winchester's heritage (while the name is on lease, Winchester's have been produced IN NEW HAVEN FOR 140 YEARS), and you people are bitching about it. Unfrickingbelievable. Having your head stuck up your butts because it goes against your partisan politics is despicable, to say the least. :fire:
 
I couldn't care less if those are Democrats, Republicans, or Tories trying to save that factory. Doesn't matter at all.

The bottom line is that Winchester/USRAC/Olin/Herstal's (and that's part of the problem right there) business model is a miserable failure in the modern age, and the company, factory, and brand name deserve to go under. If someone else can resurrect the name with a different business plan, then more power to them, but anything as diluted and tangled as this mess was destined to fail.
 
Who makes a better product for the money? Fit, finish and accuracy of my featherweight far exceeds anything put out by Ruger (won't buy one anyway) and Remington. Savage/Stevens' just feel clunky and cheap to me. The only other new commercial bolt gun in same price range I would consider would be CZ.
 
Industry experts say Olin Corp., the primary seller of Winchester ammunition, is caught in a Catch 22. If the company grants the Winchester license to Browning and the rifles are made overseas, Olin risks the ire of American gun collectors and a corresponding drop in sales.

They have got to be kidding. If Winchester rifles were made to the same standard as Browning anythings, I'd consider buying one.
 
Well said, Kentucky

Ruger, Colt, Winchester, Marlin, Savage, Charter Arms right off the top of my head. Remington HAD a huge ammo plant and storage area there during and after the war. I grew up in Stratford, CT and all of these plants except Colt were within about 45 minutes of my house. I just thought it was good to see politicians fighting for their constituents.
 
I haven't looked at the featherweight.

The last winny that I handled and shot was a mod70 stainless shadow classic that a friend asked me to clean and sight in for him- he bought all the ammo, so it wasn't a bad deal:) It was an OK rifle, but nothing that I'd get excited over.
 
Chris DODD?

Would that be the same Chris Dodd that railed falsities, misconceptions and misrepresentations all over the Senate floor in his vehement attack on the bill to make gun manufactureres not liable for the misuse of their products?

THAT Chris Dodd? Too much to believe. Looks like he'll take whichever side suits his agenda at any given moment. Rest assured, I didn't vote for him. :barf:
 
CT's anti-gun congressional delegation trying to save a gun company.

What a hoot.:rolleyes:

The best thing that could happen is for USRAC to die a quiet death and get ressurected somewhere else in a friendlier state.
 
Is pushing the firearms industry to the edge of destruction and then trying to save a few union jobs the new strategy to look less like Democrats?
 
Olin/Winchester brought this on themselves. They have been selling off the name like a traveling salesman sells cheap perfume to a prostitute. Look in Wal-Mart's sports department. You'll see a line of "Winchester" knives selling for under ten bucks. Flip over the blister pack, and you'll see that they are made in China -- specifically for Wal-Mart.

Anyone remember the old Winchester .22LR semi-auto carbine, the Model 03/63? That used to be made in New Haven by USRAC. The last year it was sold under the Winchester name it had a suggested list price of over $800. Then Winchester/USRAC discontinued it, sold the design to Taurus, and Taurus is offering an updated version of the same gun with a list price of under $300.

I am inclined to agree that FN Herstal intentionally ran things into the ground, because there's no way it could have cost USRAC that much to make that rifle. The design was paid off more than a century ago, and the tooling was all paid for. The only costs were materials and labor, and I know there isn't THAT much labor in that little carbine.

Winchester is not a company, and has not been for a long time. Winchester is nothing but a trade name, and the owners of it are doing their damnedest to ensure that the name gets run as deeply into the ground as possible.
 
I'm curious HWP

How is it the Democrats ran the gun industry to the edge of destruction, if that is what you are implying? My view of the US gunmakers, excluding those that manufacture weapons for the military, is that many of them have the same level of innovation that has led GM, Ford and Chrysler to the brink. I'm not trying to flame you here, I just think we have very different view points on what the problem is. A case in point that I can think of is that Marlin(one of the exceptions to my rule) has been very responsive to both cowboy shooting and the resurgent interest in large calibers (45-70 for example) and that has kept their sales of lever guns pretty brisk. They also jumped on the Hornady Leverevolution bandwagon and have a line of guns with longer barrels to take advantage of the new ammo. Plus I can pick one up for just over 300 bucks at a Big5. The last time the local Big5 carried a Winchester 94 it cost about 180 dollars more than the Marlin.
 
:uhoh: Isn't this straight out of Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged"?:uhoh:

First you hamstring a company's ability to maintain a profit:

Chris Dodd on Gun Control

Voted NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence.
Vote to pass a bill that would block certain civil lawsuits against manufacturers, distributors, dealers and importers of firearms and ammunition, mainly those lawsuits aimed at making them liable for gun violence. In this bill, trade groups would also be protected The bill would call for the dismissal of pending lawsuits against the gun industry. The exception would be lawsuits regarding a defect in a weapon or ammunition. It also would provide a 10-year reauthorization of the assault weapons ban which is set to expire in September 2004. The bill would increase the penalties for gun-related violent or drug trafficking crimes which have not resulted in death, to a minimum of 15 years imprisonment. The bill calls for criminal background checks on all firearm transactions at gun shows where at least 75 guns are sold. Exemptions would be made available for dealers selling guns from their homes as well as members-only gun swaps and meets carried out by nonprofit hunting clubs.
Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S.1805/H.R.1036 ; vote number 2004-30 on Mar 2, 2004

Voted YES on background checks at gun shows.
Require background checks on all firearm sales at gun shows.
Status: Amdt Agreed to Y)50; N)50; VP decided YES
Reference: Lautenberg Amdt #362; Bill S. 254 ; vote number 1999-134 on May 20, 1999

Voted NO on loosening license & background checks at gun shows.
Vote to table or kill a motion to require that all gun sales at gun shows be completed by federally licensed gun dealers. Also requires background checks to be completed on buyers and requires gun show promoters to register with the Treasury.
Bill S.254 ; vote number 1999-111 on May 11, 1999

Voted NO on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks.
Vote to table [kill] an amendment to make it unlawful for gun dealers to sell handguns without providing trigger locks. Violation of the law would result in civil penalties, such as suspension or revocation of the dealer's license, or a fine.

And then you don't let the unprofitable company go out of business:

People's Weekly World Newspaper, 03/31/05 17:32


NEW HAVEN, Conn. — When community leaders and elected officials showed up March 17 for a press conference at the Winchester plant’s Division Street entrance here, the company refused to open the gates so that workers could join in.

Angry and determined to hear what the community leaders had to say, the workers, who make the Winchester rifle at the U.S. Repeating Arms Company, left from another exit and came around the block to participate.

That sight sent a powerful message to company executives locked in negotiations with IAM Victory Lodge 609. Within hours, wage cuts, concessions in job security language and the threat to move 40 jobs out of state were off the table.

For months the company had been demanding major concessions, with the unspoken threat of the plant closing. In response, the Citizens Ad Hoc Committee, a group of retirees and residents that had mobilized solidarity over the years, reorganized for this fight.

A 17-week strike in 1979 and subsequent labor and community organizing had resulted in the city requiring the company to maintain 450 jobs in exchange for $21 million in state and local tax abatements. Five years ago, when the number of jobs had eroded, the Ad Hoc Committee mobilized with others and won an amended agreement prohibiting any further removal of production equipment, and a tax schedule pro-rated to the number of jobs.

The St. Patrick’s Day plant gate rally was an “11th hour” action, sponsored jointly with Grow Jobs CT, a coalition initiated by Machinists union District 26.

Rep. Rosa DeLauro and Connecticut’s two senators sent staffers to join members of the Board of Aldermen, the Alliance of Retired Americans, New Haven People’s Center and union leaders. Speakers demanded a decent contract offer and job security for this economic anchor in the largely African American Newhallville neighborhood.

At the union meeting three days later, members voted 85 to 52 to accept a contract with a one-year wage freeze, small raises in the other two years, and retention of language prohibiting the removal of jobs.

“The contract may not have been what everyone wanted it to be,” said Ad Hoc Committee head Craig Gouthier, who worked at the plant for 24 years and served as union president, “but given the circumstances, it is a tribute to the membership that they were able to get a contract without striking.”

Referring to the production that has been moved to nonunion areas, Gouthier said, “As long as the plant doors are open, we have an opportunity and a responsibility to call for all parts to be brought back so the complete gun can be made here in New Haven. We feel with the strength of the community, legislators and union this can be accomplished.”

Amazingly, 12 months later...ALL the Winchester jobs are moving out of CT.
 
Many in the industry also sensed the plant’s closure was imminent when they caught wind of the International Association of Machinists contract signed last March after tense negotiation sessions. Workers feared the company wanted to move jobs to a Browning facility in South Carolina. One of the stipulations of the contract was to postpone any decision to move jobs for one year, which would be March 2006.

If I recall correctly, I'm still living in the USA, but not a Union controlled section of the USA. I'm right around the corner from FN/Browning. SC is a Right to work state. Unions have no strangle hold on us here and that is the only reason Dodd is fighting to keep Winchester in Conn.
 
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