Email from a critic. Comments?

[armoredman]

Psychotic lunatic, vocally encouraging the violent death of an individual who has done nothing to him. Can't stand the thought of using deadly force against a violent criminal, yet advocates the murder of an individual who's only "offense" is to hold an opinion differing from his. Typical LIEberal, a mind is only open if it is thinking exactly what HE wants. Please, go organize a protest, human chain, sit in, or other useless waste of your time, and leave the real world to us.
BTW, pepper spray can be quite ineffective, and Taser as well. I know - I have worked in prisons for years.

 

[Bubbles]

From a woman's point of view...

You openly mock anti-rape protection, stating in short that simply killing the person/seriously wounding the person is the only way to be truly safe.

Now this not only is in-correct, but it also breeds inaccurate rumour.

The vast majority of defensive gun uses do NOT involve firing the gun. Simply showing you've got it and are willing to use it will often send criminals running.

This site uses buss phrases in its small images such as "Police cant be everywhere at once". This is true, its an obvious fact, However the chances of a woman walking alone with no way of running OR defending herself some where the is NO ONE within screaming distance is a rare case.

1) Both men and women who have been attacked have tried running away, screaming, etc. Too often, especially in cities, NO ONE has tried to help or even bothered to call the police.

2) Obviously you've never been pregnant. Otherwise you'd know that toward the end, the growing baby puts a lot of upward pressure on your diaphram, reducing your lung capacity - and your ability to move any faster than a slow walk.

Spewing forth bogus phrases such as "Strong Women Own Guns...Bimbos Don't"
it gives your site not only NO credibility but shows that the author is probably a man and if not a man a woman whose obviously a fool.

A better phrase would have been "Smart Women Own Guns.... Bimbos Don't".

"Considering that neither pepper spray nor tasers are adequate for self-defense" this is just a lie, Any qualified city police officer would laugh at you.

Every been sprayed or tasered, or know someone who has? If the person on the receiving end is mad, determined, or drugged up enough, it has no effect.

Thanks for your time, you should be shot

Now we get to the real issue, and one I've seen often among the gun-grabbers: projection. People often assume other folks are "like them", which isn't unusual, given that we "know" ourselves best. By saying "you should be shot" the author is projecting his/her own violent tendencies onto Oleg. Because the author knows that he/she has these violent tendencies, he/she knows that owning a gun would be a bad idea b/c someone else would most likely end up dead. So, because he/she can't be trusted to own a gun and use it responsibly, obviously no one else can either. Thus, all guns must be banned.

 

[MS .45]

However the chances of a woman walking alone with no way of running OR defending herself some where the is NO ONE within screaming distance is a rare case.

Tell that to enyone who has ever been raped, mugged, or assaulted. If your statement was true then violent crime would be almost non-existant. How many women do you know that can outrun or outfight a man hand-to-hand. The chances of her being able to defend herself drastically increase with a firearm and training. To deny women this fundamental right is unconscionable.

 

[nswtex]

I am fairly new to the whole forum thing, but was wondering why, when someone is being attacked that half of the responses are simply addressing the spelling, grammar, etc. of the author. Is this because there is no real cause for the attack besides our own entertainment, or does it really bother all those English lit majors hanging around the highroad. It is good to see that many more are actually addressing the post with their own opinions. I realize that in this case this ranting is hard to debate, being that there is no real info to back it up but that doesn’t mean I'm going to attack his spelling.

 

[Beav]

here's another site with crime data;

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/cri_rap_percap

 

[XavierBreath]

In the case of lurker's reading, would simply ask why a person would want to restrict another person's options to self defense.

So, Mr. Launay, why do you not want women to have guns?
Are guns a threat to you?
What is "anti-rape protection" anyway?
Freud was fascinated by double negatives.

The irony is that the countries where Handguns are illegal are also the ones with the lowest crime and rape numbers through out the world.

Do you have a source on this tidbit before it is refuted?

However the chances of a woman walking alone with no way of running OR defending herself some where the is NO ONE within screaming distance is a rare case.

Wrong again. There are many places where others are not within "screaming distance". That is how rapes occur. Why should a woman have to depend on the generosity of others when she is able to defend herself with a simple tool that she can carry on her person? Why should she have fewer choices in self defense than a police officer?

Considering that neither pepper spray nor tasers are adequate for self-defense" this is just a lie, Any qualified city police officer would laugh at you.

No sir, most police officers who have been sprayed in the face with pepper spray and learned to function under those conditions would laugh at you. Pepper spray is a good non-lethal choice under some conditions, but it is not always effective, and in a close in fight, you cannot prevent getting it in your own eyes as well. Most rapes occur at distances of less than two feet. By advocating pepper spray and tasers you are advocating the early application of self defense tools. These tools are great for subduing a suspect for arrest, because the police know what they are going to do and which way they want the encounter to go. You need some distance for effective application of these devices. They are not suitable for close in wrestling/fighting/rape defense.

Unless you own a gun shop and are secretly trying to scare people into buying guns from you, Then your wasting your time...

No, Oleg is not. He has converted thousands to effective self defense. By contrast, you have penned a poorly written emotional diatribe seeped in ill informed opinion.

 

['Card]

Lee Luanay is 19 years old

Come on... this is silly. The only thing more futile than arguing with teenagers is arguing with teenagers on the internet.

They're chock full of righteous indignation, high ideals, no grasp of reality, and are completely unable to seperate their own fragile identity from their opinion on an issue. This is why we put most of them on college campuses where they can safely spout all kinds of absurd nonsense at each other in a closed environment for four years, while the rest of us ignore them completely.

 

[Derek Zeanah]

I was gonna type something up, then thought better of it. Have Tamara reply to the bozo.

 

[ReadyontheRight]

You openly mock anti-rape protection, stating in short that simply killing the person/seriously wounding the person is the only way to be truly safe.

If confronted with this:

do you think a rapist would press the attack and get killed/seriously wounded or would he turn tail and run away? An armed defender does not always have to discharge her firearm to keep an attacker away.

Defense with a gun results in fewer injuries to
the defender (17.4%) than resisting with less powerful means
(knives, 40.3%; other weapon, 22%; physical force, 50.8%; evasion,
34.9%; etc.) and in fewer injuries than not resisting at all
(24.7%). Guns are the safest and most effective means of
protection. This is particularly important to women, children, the
elderly, the handicapped, the weak, and the infirm, those who are
most vulnerable to vicious male predators.

http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/KleckAndGertz1.htm

http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Suter/med-lit.txt

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf...ous/cvus72.pdf

This site could/would make any women without a hand gun feel insecure about being raped

I believe that is one of the major points of the website. And one of the points of the human right to keep and bear arms.

The irony is that the countries where Handguns are illegal are also the ones with the lowest crime and rape numbers through out the world.

I don't believe your assertion here. I would like to see your data on this. I DO know that disarming citizens has proven to lower crime (and probably rape) against those who still have guns. Of course, it's not so great for the portions of the populations that are disarmed:

Countries having successful gun control laws in the 20th Century -- and the results of those laws:

1915-1917 Ottoman Turkey, 1.5 million Armenians murdered
1929-1953 Soviet Union, 20 million people that opposed Stalin were murdered.
1933-1945 Nazi occupied Europe, 13 million Jews, Gypsies and others that opposed Hitler, murdered
1948-1952 China, 20 million anti-communists or communist reformers, murdered
1960-1981 Guatemala, 100,000 Maya Indians, murdered
1971-1979 Uganda, 300,000 Christians and political rivals of Idi Amin, murdered
1975-1979 Cambodia, 1 million educated persons, murdered
1995 Srebrenica Bosnians disarmed by the UN, the UN withdrew, Srebrenica was overrun and over 8,000 now-disarmed people were murdered by the Serb army.

That is more than 2000 unarmed men, women and children murdered by their own government for EVERY SINGLE DAY in the 20th century.

This site uses buss phrases in its small images such as "Police cant be everywhere at once". This is true, its an obvious fact, However the chances of a woman walking alone with no way of running OR defending herself some where the is NO ONE within screaming distance is a rare case.

Again, I do not belief your assertion. It only takes two assailants and a street lined with locked buildings to keep a woman from running. It only takes one assailant to keep a woman from running if there is a dead-end alley or a fence.

-In your scenario, how is she SUPPOSED to defend herself?
-Kitty Genovese
-If she screams and people respond, how is anyone who hears her scream supposed to defend her if they don't have a gun?

"Considering that neither pepper spray nor tasers are adequate for self-defense" this is just a lie, Any qualified city police officer would laugh at you.

Then why do Police carry guns? I suppose you could argue that pepper spray or tasers could be considered "adequate", but why should a woman be forced to choose "adequate" over "the best"?

Also -- communities that outlaw carrying handguns usually also outlaw the use of pepper spray and tasers.

Im going to rap this up by saying, Unless you own a gun shop and are secretly trying to scare people into buying guns from you, Then your wasting your time...

Mr. Volk is certainly NOT wasting his time. He is helping in the worldwide fight for human dignity and human rights.

Thanks for your time, you should be shot

Lee Launay

Maybe when you grow up, have some real experience in this world and actually put some thought into your beliefs, you will realize how immature, illogical and truly disgusting the last line of your post is.

 

[the pistolero]

"This site could/would make any women without a hand gun feel insecure about being raped"

Odd. I never once thought a woman could ever actually "feel secure" about being raped, under any circumstances. What the hell does that mean?

"However the chances of a woman walking alone with no way of running OR defending herself some where the is NO ONE within screaming distance is a rare case."

Well, you could ask Kitty Genovese how well screaming worked for her, or Joe Van Holsbeeck (teen from Brussels, Belgium who was killed in a train station a couple of weeks ago for his mp3 player)...wait, no, you can't, because they were both brutally murdered, Van Holsbeeck in front of HUNDREDS of people, so, well, there goes that...

"Thanks for your time, you should be shot"

Irony, thy name is Lee Launay, but thou are most likely too dense to see that...

 

[1911JMB]

I find it funny that this individual is an advocate of dissarmament, yet he said "you should be shot." But thats not the point. A Jeff Cooper quote is the point:

"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it."

 

[cambeul41]

Google "Lee Launay"

Is this Aussie the same one?

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=29995480

 

[grimlock]

Most rapes occur at distances of less than two feet.

I'd just like to take a quick timeout here and thank XavierBreath for the laugh.

 

[ReadyontheRight]

This site could/would make any women without a hand gun feel insecure about being raped

I believe you mean "This site could/would make any woman feel that she will be raped unless she has a hand gun."

Of course, there is a lot more to protecting yourself that just carrying a handgun:
-Always be aware of your situation and people around you
-Avoid walking in dark areas, walking alone after dark, walking through known crime areas, etc...
-If you must walk alone, walk with a sense of purpose
-Always look in the back seat of your car before entering
-Escape is the best defense - If confronted, run away

There are many more ways to maintain your situational awareness and keep yourself safe before you might have to draw a gun.

Any worthwhile gun training course -- usually required to legally carry a concealed firearm -- will cover ways to stay safe before you ever need to draw a gun.

 

[Thefabulousfink]

I have a couple points to make.

First, the overly liberal "Womens Studies Center" at my old College published literature that advised women not to struggle against a rapist because you could make them angry. Now I am not a woman, and I have never been raped, but I was lead to believe that rape is very physically and mentally traumatic to the victim. To argue that a women should submit to this trauma because to do otherwise might anger her aggressor is both ignorant, and chauvinistic.

Second, there are many (non-liberal) anti-rape groups that advocate arming and training women in self-defense to stop rape attempts.
http://www.rad-systems.com/
http://www.aware.org/
http://web.cecs.pdx.edu/~tellner/sd/Review.html
Infact these days, all but the most liberal groups argue that self-defense is the best way to stop attempted rape.

"God made man, Sam Colt made them equal"
To this day, the gun is the only tool that will reliably allow a 95 lb women to stop a 300 lb man. If you think Pepper Spray and Tazers will protect from everyone, just watch a few episodes of COPS until you see the police try and subdue some one who is high on drugs. Tazers and sprays have little to no effect on people who have used some of the more powerful drugs like Meth and PCP.

If you are the type of sheep that would be too paralized with fear to defend your own life, then you should definitely NOT own a gun. Guns are a great responsibility and require mental fortitude and restraint, that is why we don't give them to children without adult supervision.

If you are raped, please submit to you rapist (you wouldn't want to make him angry). If you are lucky, one of us sheepdogs will be nearby to save you from the wolves.

-Thefabulousfink

 

[molonlabe]

Thanks for your time, you should be shot

Says it all, This persons far more evil than any gun owner I know. there is a lot of things I hate in the US but pumping bullets into someone who does not agree with me is not one of them.

 

[Baba Louie]

Dear Mr. Launay,
What do YOU recommend to a female who stands 5'-2" and weighs 105 lbs when faced with immediate trauma at the hands of a male, 6' tall weighing 200 lbs who means to do her harm in a most horrible manner?

Relent and face the inevitable? I hope not.

Blow a loud whistle and scream or use her cell phone to dial 911 (our nationwide police emergency number)?

Run?

Use her purse to ward off evil intent & action?

A knife? (That'd be my second choice)

You did infer something about OC spray and tasers effectiveness, and while I guess they are better than praying for divine intervention, every woman I know here in my country who has dealt with rape (and unfortunately I know a couple) feel better equipped to deal with this type of crime, now that they carry a handgun and have some training.

Do you know any women who have suffered from/through this crime? If so, please ask them for their opinion.

Your culture is a little different than ours here relative to firearms ownership. At my workplace there are only two people who do not own a firearm of some type and both will soon purchase a handgun to be used primarily for the pleasure of target shooting, but we all know and care about our personal safety and they too, will be prepared to repel any boarders.

Perhaps Mr. Volk's use of the words "Strong Women" vs "Bimbo" caused your ire. It DID get your attention, neh? Mission partially accomplished then, I'd say.

Then again, it may be that the image of a strong, determined woman who'll brook no (expletive deleted) at the hands of a ner-do-well got your knickers in a twist... (I really doubt that tho')

Do keep an open mind about some things. Cultural differences being one of them... tho' Lord knows that is a difficult enough concept to master (after 52 years I still struggle).

Should you ever find yourself in Las Vegas, look me up. We'll go shooting. You can talk to a couple of these "strong" female friends of mine and be amazed at their shooting ability. I dare say, at the risk of being labeled a chauvanistic swine, that one or two of these women could be classified in the "bimbo" department... but only when they want to be... and NEVER, when we're out shooting.

 

[PvtPyle]

What a sad and out of touch little person. Maybe she really belives the things she says. And maybe in her world, with the unicorns and fairies they are true. But in the real world, cops still carry guns (in addition to tasers and sprays), dead rapists don't go on to rape again, and a responsible person with a gun is one less victim for the criminals.

Something tells me that this is the tyoe of person that still thinks it is better to not resist for fear of being hurt further, or hurting the rapist's feelings. Very sad.

 

[ebd10]

Oleg's images bring to light something that polite society doesn't acknowledge, or even like to think about, and are aware only in the deep, dark recesses of their hearts: There are evil people in this world that want to harm others for financial gain, the thrill of exercising power over another, or because their thought processes are so completely alien from the norm that they don't even know that what they are doing is wrong. Oleg's posters eloquently make the point that the only person that you can depend on to defend your life with 100% commitment is yourself. Often, this defense requires an individual to tap into the baser instincts that brought humans to dominance of the planet, namely; the willingness to act violently and decisively to preserve their own life and the life of their loved ones. Those of us that take self-defense seriously hope that we never have to use the skills that we've honed, or face the consequences of using those skills. But, we know the world for what it is, not the facade with which "civilization" has covered it. It takes only a split second to go from "average citizen" stumbling around, blissfully unaware of his surroundings, to "crime victim" sitting in an ER or on a slab in the morgue. The chances of avoiding that transition are maximized when one acknowledges reality, remains aware of their surroundings, and has taken steps to prepare for the worst case scenario.

For the writer of the email that inspired this thread: your statement that Oleg "...should be shot" supplies one and all with the perfect example of who it is that we prepare for.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

You openly mock anti-rape protection, stating in short that simply killing the person/seriously wounding the person is the only way to be truly safe.

Fire protection is protection against fire.

Flood protection is protection against flood.

Anti-rape protection is protection against not being raped?

 

[DKSuddeth]

for any lurker, or the original emailer, ponder this question when considering civilians being armed.

If handguns are good enough for cops to have for self defense, why aren't they good enough for anyone else to use for self defense?

 

[Thefabulousfink]

One more point that I forgot to adress.

The irony is that the countries where Handguns are illegal are also the ones with the lowest crime and rape numbers through out the world.

Lets look at a case study then.

Iceland has near complete gun control. This tiny island also appears to have low figures for violent crime and rape, however, lets look at this report from the US State Dept.
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2001/eur/8267.htm

Violence against women continued to be a matter of concern. Police statistics show that the incidence of violence against women--including rape and sexual assault--is low; however, the number of women seeking assistance at the public women's shelter, the counseling center, and the emergency ward of the National Hospital indicates that many incidents go unreported. Each year approximately 100 women ask for temporary lodging at the women's shelter, while 300 to 400 women and children seek assistance at the counseling center. The hospital emergency ward, which has a special staff to care for rape victims, reports that during the year, 134 women sought care associated with sexual assault or abuse. The law prohibits domestic violence and rape, including spousal rape.

Not quite the utopia of peace and tranquiltiy is it?

My other point is that lots of research has been done on the relationship between guns and crime and the only concrete answer that can be drawn is that more data is needed to confirm ANY correlation between gun ownership (or the lack of) and violent crime.

Regardless of what any statistics say, when I am alone and faced by men who wish to do me harm I will be more comforted by my gun on my hip than the fact that crime levels are down and this is just a rare occurance.

 

[clipse]

I would only add that, if you use pepper spray or a stun gun of some sort and run away, what happens? The bad guy heals in no time and is ready to prowl again. If the badguy is faced with an armed victim and gets a bullet wound because of it, then the victim most likely just saved many others from the same crime by the same person. Just a thought.

clipse

 

[XavierBreath]

Is this Aussie the same one?

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=29995480

Crimmy! You mean I responded to a boy who isn't even shaving yet? :banghead:

All countries are not like yours Lee.

I've been to Perth and Sydney as well as the northern territory. I respected your laws and customs. All the women smoked and the Aussie men wanted very little to do with them anyway. A rape would likely never be prosecuted in Australia because of the perceptions of the people who live there. The United States is not the same. Kindly respect our laws and Constitution.

Thanks to the old vets in Perth who wouldn't let a yank buy a beer. You gents are the best!

 

[The Crazy Gobbo]

If you had not been threatened, I like ReadyontheRight's response.

Try to reply as if it had been a polite disagreement, imagining as if each question had been posed in the most civil, agreeable terms. As you posted this in the open for people to see, those that have not made up their minds, and are decent themselves, will tend to look favorably on the thoughtful reply. They might have wondered about some of the issues raised, while they probably wouldn't have spoken in the same manner, it would interest them to know what you think.

Eh?