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Something about sitting on a bunch of material items that I will never use just rubs me the wrong way.
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I guess it depends on how you look at it. I look at it as having money in the bank. If you bought it when prices were low, there will probably never be a time going forward where you won't be able to at least get your money back out of it. In this current market I would make a flagrant profit on my investment. Thats not a bad thing in my book. Its peace of mind and security. I certainly bear no responsibility for the current shortage, I haven't been buying hardly anything....
 
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...going forward where you won't be able to at least get your money back out of it. In this current market I would make a flagrant profit on my investment. Thats not a bad thing in my book. Its peace of mind and security.

Sorry to say, but therein lies the problem. At this point then, it's not about the 2nd Amendment, nor about a "well regulated militia". It's about trading a commodity. Which is a far cry from people claiming they are keeping ammo in case of "emergency". Again, this is America, and people are free to do what they want. My issue is, at least be honest about what you're doing. As you are being. And that's okay in my book.
 
Just like everything else..I keep a good supply stashed....food, tools, feed for the animals, ammo and reloading supplies...some call it hoarding other call it prepping.
The human condition for most of history has been deprivation, so look into the future and realise that you need to plan ahead.
I make no apologies for my forsight and planning.
 
For someone (like my boss, as mentioned earlier) who probably hasn't fired 200 rounds of ammo in his lifetime to stash a couple thousand rounds, doesn't make sense.

Buying with the intent to trade or resell to me is no different than the stock market. That money invested would be hard pressed to earn as much interest in a savings account. If that's your thing, have at it.

Stashing enough to make sure you have enough to continue enjoying your hobby, especially if it's your favorite hobby, is called proactive. Buying now because you missed the boat, then complaining that you can't find anything is called reactive. Reactive people should take notes from the proactive ones, but rarely do.
 
I want to maintain the ability to go shooting out to a ripe old age. And when I shuffle off this mortal coil to the great gun range in the sky, I would like to leave my descendents not only some cool heirlooms and useful firearms, but enough ammunition and reloading stuff to make those firearms actually usable.

Based on many decades of watching events play out, I no longer trust I can get ammunition from the normal supply chain. Stating the obvious, I know. So yeah, I have more ammo put away now than ever before.

I base my ammunition needs on what I and my family will actually use, plus some safety margin.

That doesn't include SHTF, "operator loadouts" or whatever. I watched a vid yesterday where a quite knowledgeable guy added up the need for at least 1000 rounds of 5.56 as he wanted three full battle loadouts on hand and for him that was 10 30 round mags each (just over 900 rounds and let's just round up). Seemed like solid reasoning. Great for that guy and other tactical types. I get it, but it simply ain't me.

As for prepper stuff like how much food, fuel, water ... same logic applies but that isn't the topic at hand.

There are several factors I take into account. It may sound a bit analytical but the truth is, for most of us it just happens this way. We go with the flow and just buy what we want, when we can. The longer we've been active gun hobbyists, the smarter we appear right now.

How many guns in a given caliber?
I have several .22's so I stock more .22LR than everything else combined. A decent mix of high velocity and standard velocity stuff. Some .22 Short for a few old heirloom guns.
For a long time I had a pocket pistol in .32ACP. Then I added a larger handgun in .32ACP, which is a joy on range day (Beretta 81, thanks brother). So I needed more ammo in that caliber.
If I have only one firearm in a caliber, I might be happy with, say, 200 rounds put aside for it. But it's not linear. Having two firearms in that caliber means I'd want more ammo but not necessarily double the amount. Depends.

What is the intended use of those firearm(s)?
For any firearm that could potentially see self defensive use, I have some dedicated ammo for them. Hornady Critical Defense, Federal Hydra-Shok etc. Not enough to call it a stockpile but a few boxes of whatever, to make sure it functions in the gun and I have enough to carry.
I don't have a lot of hunting guns and don't stock much hunting ammo. I see more of that available than defensive or tactical calibers.
For firearms I tend to practice with, I have a larger stockpile. Again rimfire leads the way. I really enjoy shooting a nice 10/22 or the Stevens Favorite I had as a kid.

How much do I shoot a given firearm?
I really enjoy using a certain few firearms, and they go on more trips. A few rimfires, a certain double action revolver, et. cetera. The more I like shooting a gun, the more I try to keep ammo on hand for it. My all time favorite is .38 Special out of a S&W 686.
I would need more ammo for a semiautomatic than for a revolver or a bolt gun. It is just too easy to blast through a bunch of ammo in a semiauto rifle during a plinking session, especially a mag fed rimfire like a 10/22.
Similarly I can go to the range with my Savage Axis and a single box of .223 and have a quite pleasurable shooting experience. But with an AR or double stack 9mm it's easy to go through multiple boxes of ammo, even for us non-tactical folks.

What can I RELOAD for?
I have a basic reloading setup. A single stage press plus dies and components for several calibers. The more reloading supplies I have on hand for a caliber, the less I am inclined to stockpile retail ammunition.
I have not reloaded for 9mm or 5.56 NATO as that has never before been cost effective. That has changed. But I still dislike picking up all that brass. Revolvers are easier that way.

What can I GET ammo for?
I have a few guns in obsolete calibers, and it is easier to reload for them than to find ammo for them. For example 25-20. Even before the current mess it was $1 per round. I keep a few hundred rounds loaded and have enough supplies to reload the brass 3-4 times. That is enough for more than my lifetime.
Right now is not the time to buy anything really but the worst price gouging is on the "tactical" calibers. But that's also what is available to buy... that and lower demand stuff like 10mm or .454 Casull.
Last time I was in Cabela's they put out bricks of Aguila .22LR. $25.99 each. I am not the guy able to go stand in line on restocking day so I was delighted. My son and I each picked up two bricks.

What can I AFFORD?
At the moment pretty much everything is priced in the stratosphere but most of my ammo purchases happened long ago, for example when .38 Special was $5.99 a box.
I was happy to buy the bricks of Aguila at Cabela's. If they had bricks for a hundred bucks or more (closer to the going rate online these days) I would have left it for someone more desperate and/or wealthy.

What do I already have?
Since I already have a fair amount of ammo I will not be buying more in the near term, unless I happen upon another deal like the "normal" priced bricks at Cabela's.
If I were a new gun owner who had just picked up, say, a 9mm handgun and had NO ammo for it, I would suck it up and buy at least a hundred rounds. If I were a new gun owner with a shiny new .22 rifle I would want at least a full brick... but I would try to find it at Walmart, Cabela's, Bass Pro, etc.... places that have an intact supply chain and who do not need to scalp people. In either case I would also try to add a few spare magazines. I try to have at least three mags for each semi-auto firearm I own. AR mags are cheap so I have more of them. For Ruger I picked up enough for my son and I to each have 3 x 10 round mags and a few BX-25's. Honestly I prefer the super reliable BX-1 mags. I have one that came with my 10/22 in 1969 that is still working fine.
 
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I was in a similar situation, saving from several paychecks for a big ammo buy in April or May. When coved hit, I should have gritted my teeth and payed the slightly higher prices of early april. I decided to wait, thinking I would get another chance before the election. But more covid and riots made me a fool.

I have enough for a pseudo-apocalyptic emergency, and enough to shoot all I really want to for the next 4 to 5 years. But not enough for the next 10, 20 or the rest of my life -- which is the amount I will try for if I ever have the chance.
You pretty much summed it up.
Enough for a while. Probably not enough for my lifetime.
 
You pretty much summed it up.
Enough for a while. Probably not enough for my lifetime.
And not to take it for a somber turn, there are many in this country who have taken the task of disarmament to heart. We hope they never get there but they have taken the reigns of power and I think they will run with it. Whether they succeed or what the outcome will be is uncertain and a topic for another forum. All I know is they are going to try with everything they've got, having an "emergency stash" or "stockpile" or whatever you want to call it makes perfect sense to me.

I will not shoot up all my ammo, ever. I think in multi generational terms. There may eventually come a time where my kids, eventually grandkids, etc might not live in a world where going into a store to buy ammunition is even possible. Obviously this is the worst case scenario because if guns=power, what is a gun without ammo? Nothing, a club.
 
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Under current conditions I’ll stop shooting my CC guns when I get down to 2 boxes of FMJ per caliber(9mm .40S&W)

.380acp is something I just carry around house don’t shoot it much but I’ve got 600 rounds of both FMJ and JHP stashed.

I’m down to 3 boxes of .45acp for my Blackhawk but that’s not a real issue.
 
And not to take it for a somber turn, there are many in this country who have taken the task of disarmament to heart. We hope they never get there but they have taken the reigns of power and I think they will run with it. Whether they succeed or what the outcome will be is uncertain and a topic for another forum. All I know is they are going to try with everything they've got, having an "emergency stash" or "stockpile" or whatever you want to call it makes perfect sense to me.

I will not shoot up all my ammo, ever. I think in multi generational terms. There may eventually come a time where my kids, eventually grandkids, etc might not live in a world where going into a store to buy ammunition is even possible. Obviously this is the worst case scenario because if guns=power, what is a gun without ammo? Nothing, a club. I have n

Agree
 
I am at the mid point of my seventh decade of life. For me to acquire enough ammunition and components for the next twenty years is not realistic but rather absurd, thus I think/plan in 5-Yr periods of time. Do I have enough ammunition for 5Yrs depends on my rate of consumption. We've experienced these political generated interruptions in the supply chain before and have managed to survive thus I an not prepared to kiss my backside goodbye at this time and place.
 
Are you asking if you should by more shells?

The answer is YES and by this time next year you might not be legally allowed to!
Oh I have enough to ride out most shortages and can reload approximately 8000 more. I am just wondering if I should keep more for emergency situations. I have that stash split between home and at our cabin in the boonies. In uncertain times one wonders if they have enough.....
 
At my age if there is an "emergency" where I need to use a firearm a box of ammo will be more than enough.

This has all the makings of a SHTF and a hoarding thread.
 
:cool:“They fantasize they are going to hold off the marauding hordes, by themselves”. The best summary!.

When that mob went through the gate to protest in front of the St. Louis Mayor’s house (only her house was the Objective) ....video showing a —random— couple hearing verbal threats...

...people seem to have —-thought that this was simply a random, unfocused invasion into a random, gated community —-which It Was Not.

But what “icing on the cake” of anxiety .
 
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I can feed my family with a red box of federal lightning, a box of core lokt for the 06 and some high brass
#4's for a long time. Emergency or not that is what I keep on my ready to shoot ammo shelf.
 
Buying ammo when it is readily available and having a supply during times when it is scarce is not "hoarding." It is called being prepared.
Pretty much. I find certain attitudes about this surprising. Especially here. Nobody would pass judgment or be upset if a guy posted a picture or talked about his stash of 1000 firearms. Of course that's more than anyone "needs", so why are people so polarized about the ammo. It stands to reason that any of the guys who have been at this a while and like to shoot fairly regular, have peace of mind they have on hand whatever they feel is enough to protect the homestead and put food in the freezer, would have a decent supply of ammo for their guns.


Especially after having been through this bs for every big headline/election. If we were truly free, we wouldn't have this anxiety. We live under constant threat. Back in 2009-2010, I didn't like not having anything to shoot, more than that I didn't like not having the option either. I won't be in a situation like that again if I can help it.

These guys just getting into it, I feel for.
 
For a self defense carry pistol, an emergency supply might be 1 extra box of hollow points.
Now practice ammo is a different story. Can you have too much?
 
Unless things really are on the verge of a Biden ban and they push court packing ect. Ammo will come back down. It looked grim back in 2013 to 15 or so. 22s were rare as hens teeth to find. Then ammo was on every shelf. Right now I would buy 30 round AR and or AK mags and mags for your hand guns. They will go after them and if they get a ban passed it will make prices go up. They have remained stable not going up crazy at least for now. C products and Pmags are still 15 bucks give or take. My advice is bide your time and when it drops don't wait and buy and stock up. Ammo lasts a long time. I have 22s I have shot that my great grandfather owned in 1919 and about 80 percent fired. I have shot old WW1 45 acp and never had a misfire. So I don't need to rotate my stock.
 
"...Ammo lasts a long time. I have 22s I have shot that my great grandfather owned in 1919 and about 80 percent fired.
I have shot old WW1 45 acp and never had a misfire. So I don't need to rotate my stock..."

Very good point. Folks with ammunition that is 20+ years old should not fret.
As long as it has been in a reasonable indoor environment, it should be fine.
 
Very good point. Folks with ammunition that is 20+ years old should not fret.
As long as it has been in a reasonable indoor environment, it should be fine.
That is it. If your ammo is stored in a wet damp environment then it does not matter if its rotated. Also you can vacuum seal your ammo. I have done this and it works great. I even vacuum sealed a couple of guns and then checked them after 4 years. I put a coat of WD40 mixed with a bit of rigs grease. When I checked them after four years they were no different then when I put them in. WD is not what some people who know nothing about it say it is. I have heard it will cause rust. Or the biggest load of crap that it will gum up. LOL. Its a light lub and great rust preventative. It will evaporate faster than say three in one oil but in a vacuum bag its not an issue. No oil or anything with ammo of course. I have heard so many people who are so ignorant tell me WD will rust a gun, or vacuum sealing ammo will take out the oxygen and the powder will not burn. LMAO WOW how ignorant does one have to be to think that? A gun would fire in space in a vacuum, the powder has its own oxidizer source.
 
Buying ammo when it is readily available and having a supply during times when it is scarce is not "hoarding." It is called being prepared.

Not shooting because you are afraid you will run out, despite having 10K rounds in your garage, IS hoarding. I am not hearing that people with TONS of ammo are out there using it. They are keeping it for an "emergency". And there are plenty of people out there, just buying up the ammo that is out there, just because they can. Sorry, but that's hoarding, too. Again, this is America, and people are free to do what they want. But at least call it what it is. And then don't come to a public forum complaining about the price of things that you artificially inflated, either.
 
What is your purpose of an emergency. Are you planning on fighting an Army. Only you would know what constitutes your emergency and what amount would make give you a sense of security.

When I started stocking up on ammo decades ago it was not to have enough to fight an army but it was more for the day that I would retire and if my retirement income was not enough to allow me the luxury of shooting on a weekly or monthly basis my stock pile would grant me the freedom to shoot at my leisure without any additional costs. I also kept my calibers to a minimum, 30-06 for hunting , I have reloading supplies for this caliber but only reload for long range shooting. I still use factory Remington Core-lokt with ammo that I paid $8.99 a box and a box lasts about 4 to 5 years because I only shoot 3 rounds to verify zero and one round for deer or elk. The other caliber is .45. have buckets of brass and reloading supplies because I shot and carried a 1911 for 40 years, .357 because I love shooting my 686 and python and now carry a 686, Don't reload 9mm but have some since my wife carries a 9mm but does not like to shoot. Have enough 22lr and 22 magnum to last me about an entire life time because I love and practice with this caliber. I always bought ammo a box here or there because I never reloaded and did not want the hassles of having to pack all my reloading stuff on every move I made in the military. I started buying ammo in the 70's and it is only going to get more expensive but not like the gouging you see now. Stop buying at this high prices and eventually if you have the patience price on ammo will drop to more affordable prices and will become available in stores.
 
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