EMF Company ??

[Im283]

I have been itching to get back into a BP revolver. I have a ASM 1851 Navy that is inoperable now. Can't figure it out and have given up. The cylinder refuses to rotate anymore. Worked one day, I cleaned it and re-assembled it and it no longer worked.

Anyway it has been about two years waiting and the BP bug is biting again.
I have looked a lot on the internet and think I have settled on the 1858 Remington Army reproduction.

Here is a link from who I am leaning to buy from

http://www.emf-company.com/1858-remington-army-revolver.htm

( steel frame)

What I ask is has anyone dealt with their BP revolvers before and what do you know and think about it.

I am afraid that this reproduction stuff is a crap shoot. Cabellas had the same type of gun listed for about 20 bucks less but I have no clue who makes what they sell.

Thanks for any input.

 

[.44walkersabot]

Go to the three (or 2) screws on the left side. I think one of them is too tight and won't let the hammer pull back and therefore the cylinder won't turn. I forgot which screw it is but it's one of them right above the trigger. Back it out about 1/3rd to 1/2 turn at a time while you try the hammer. I THINK it is the screw closer to the front of the frame but I can't remember for sure...Okay...

 

[Old Fuff]

I have one of EMF's (Early/Modern Firearms) New Model Remington replicas and am very pleased. They cost a bit more, but I discovered some extra polishing on the internal lockwork. It's an old company with roots going back to the early 1950's.

 

[mykeal]

I believe (but have no proof) that EMF sells Pietta c&b revolvers. They (EMF) have a good reputation and have been in business many years.

I also understand that the revolvers that Cabela's sells without attribution to a manufacturer are also Piettas; again, I have no direct evidence of that, however.

Regarding your 1851 Navy: it is most likely that the trigger/bolt spring is broken and the bolt is jammed in the up position. Does the hammer still operate - that is, can you pull it back into half cock or full cock? Is the trigger locked up also or can you move it?

There are 3 screw heads on the left side of the frame. the uppermost screw holds the hammer in place and is the axis about which the hammer rotates. The one in the middle holds the trigger in place and is the axis about which the trigger rotates. The third screw holds the bolt and is the axis about which it rotates. The trigger/bolt spring is held in place by a screw that's under the trigger guard; it has two arms that reach back, one that provides the spring against which the trigger works and the other that provides the force to move the bolt into position when the cylinder is in battery. It is not unusual for one of those arms to break away and jam the mechanism, thus holding bolt in place which in turn prevents the cylinder from rotating. Another possibility is that the bolt itself is broken, also jamming the action. The screws themselves have no direct effect on cylinder rotation.

There is a sticky note at the top of this forum which provides instructions on disassembling the action of a Colt revolver; it's not a difficult task but one should take care to use only screwdrivers that fit the screw heads. They are soft metal and are easily damaged by a poor fitting screwdriver.

Should you find the spring or bolt broken spare parts are inexpensive and readily available from several sources such as Dixie Gun Works, Brownells and VTI Gun Parts.

 

[dwave]

Cabelas sells Pietta revolvers. I bought two of them from them.

 

[Im283]

Thanks for all the input.

I have had the ASM revolver for over 25 years. I don't know how many rounds I have put through it, well over 500 I am sure.

I have taken it down for cleaning after every shoot and never had any trouble until the last time a little over two years ago. It worked that day to put 30 rounds through it and then after cleaning it was screwed.

Since then I have bought replacement parts for the inner workings. Bought from different suppliers as ASM parts are near impossible to find anymore. At least I have not discovered anyone who has them. The bastard parts are all slightly different and my massaging them has failed to help. I have pretty much given up on it being more than a wall hanger at this point.

But with all that I truely love the BP platform. Something about being able to manufacture ammo in the field appeals to me I guess.

I have been messing with this 1851 again since posting earlier and so far nothing but frustration again. I have tried all of your suggestions and am pretty well set on going with the EMF revolver to make my pain go away.

Thanks again for all the help.

Edit: Does the 1858 load in the same manner as the 1851, meaning using a loading lever on the bottom of the barrel, hard to tell from the pic.

 

[mykeal]

Does the 1858 load in the same manner as the 1851, meaning using a loading lever on the bottom of the barrel

Yes.

Removing the cylinder is different, of course, as you actually remove the base pin by pulling it out of the frame and the cylinder, then rotate the cylinder out of the frame.

 

[Old Fuff]

Both EMF and Cabelas import revolvers from Pietta, but I believe that a little additional work on the innards is done on the EMF line. You pay for it of course.

 

[Macmac]

To bad about the ASM. mykeal has it all right. I have a emf AS A KIT FROM THE EARLY 70'S. oops hit caps sorry. Since my EMF was a Kit I wish I lived close enough to help you out.

I am sure with you pistol and the parts someone local should be able to do so.

Did you ever pull off the cylinder again? Seems a ashame to let it hang on a wall, even if you get a new guns, or 40 newer guns..

Oh my EMF is the 1860 colt clone and it works great after all these years.. I had a problem with the hand spring, which is a hair of a spring some years back and got another from Dixie. The hand is what turns the clyinder when you thumb the hammer back.

mykeal 's term "bolt" to me is clyinder lock, but it just shows different words for the same part varry. I can figure it out by the way he said it. It is pretty obviouse he has seen and worked these types guns more than just a little.

I can tell that by the way he wrote it..

 

[Im283]

Mykeal asked

Does the hammer still operate

No the hammer will not move.

I had a problem with the hand spring,

I believe the hand is the root of my problem. The peg (on a replacement piece) that fits into the hammer is slightly smaller in diamater than the original piece. But that said, the replacement piece used to work.

I am not sure, Alzheimers yanno, but I don't think I paid more than $65 for this when I bought it from Gander Mtn back in the early 80's. Hard to justify the cost of a gunsmith. I also have spent near $40 bucks in buying replacement pieces to try to fix it.

Far and away it is my favorite handgun.

 

[Macmac]

If you wish send me a PM. Perhaps we can come to easy terms??? That is I fix it for you.

 

[Old Fuff]

No the hammer will not move.

Remove the barrel and cylinder, and then see if the hammer will move. It may be that the cylinder bolt is not dropping down and unlocking the cylinder so that it can turn. When this happens the hammer won't move either.

 

[Im283]

the hammer will move if the cylinder is off. But the hammer does not act like it did whe the gun worked. Meaning it does not stop where it should nor click and react to the trigger like it should.

Mac, where you at?

 

[Pocomoke]

Im283
I've dealt with EMF with several tel. & web sales.

Bought the first Pietta Rem 1858 after phone call verifying the mfr. I was so pleased with the pistol that arrived on time that I placed a call to order another. I joking told the nice lady on the phone it would be nice to have consecutive serial numbers. And she searched out my first order and shipped the next SN. What a great surprise.

So my experiences with the Piettas and EMF staff have been nothing but positive

Oh, also got a very nice EMF Buffalo stock for the Piettas.

 

[mrgrzeskowiak]

I bought a 1858 Remington New Army from www.taylorsfirearms.com I own the stainless version. It is made by Uberti. Very good shooter, no mod's needed, besides sighting it in. I like the stainless, because as we all know BP is Very corrosive.

 

[Macmac]

I live in Tamworth NH. I have been known to make repairs like these before for free. I am big into dreams, and trying to make them come true for others.

I repaired a side by side because a father gave it to his son, who in turn had his own sons for free. The owner at the time asked how much and i told him. he then said the gun was only of sentimenatal value, which I agreed with, and had hopped it could be repired for far less, so he gave me that gun to keep for parts.

So instead I bought the little stock I needed and made the parts. Tried the gun out long enough to know I would have given it to my son.. Once I was that sure, I went to that mans house and the look on his face was pricless.

Another time at a Rondee Vous which I am big into, a competitive shooter camped near by was looking rather sour. I asked if things were alright, and was told his main spring broke an he was scoring well, and now couldn't finish.

I got his gun and reforge a main spring from his old one in a camp fire right then and there with 2 hammers, one driven into a chopping block. A little file work and it worked. I had been carefull to not mess up the temper in the "V" of the spring.

Another: A buddy of mine doing up a Fusi de Char drilled a hole in his stock, but just a smidgen to low to hit the barrel tab soft soldered to the barrel. His hole made a upside down "u" shape on the tab, and moving the tab, or making a new one would have been trickey in the inless stock, where a ram rod hole is also just below. So I brazed over that tab, which was only soft soldered in the first place, which was a little trick, but it can be done.

This past summer I sponcered a women from New Zealand for a motor bike ride. She was to be here just 3 days. I was to pick her up at logan air port, bring here home. Then after notice get her bike in Manchester NH, bring that here, re-asemble it and let her go. It took 3 weeks for her bike to come.

In the mean time I took her to Acadia National Park on my bike, and we spent a night in a cabin there, leaving my wife home. Also turing NH with her on my bike so her dream could come true.

So it isn't just guns as any dream I can help with counts in my book.

I took my own trip across the USA and helped all sorts of folks out for free. It didn't really cost me anything to do so. I was only feeding the female rider and she tended to chip in with out being asked.

I don't have much money myself, so money means little, but quality of life mean a lot. But then I am a Buck Skinner, and we can be a bit off.

When I find other Buck Skinners and if they want my trade silver, I make it and send it, then if they like it they pay me after the fact, or return my stuff.

So far I haven't had any returned, and have always been paid. I don't undestand the pay first methods which are common now. Who is to say you pay and then never get what ever?

So, these are some things I would have said in PM. In ordfer for this to work, the first thing you did was convince me the gun has a meaning to you, and therfore you have a dream. The next part I can't be sure about, as you have to trust a total stranger. I have some pics on line of me my bikes, my primitive gear, some silver, but mainly it is trust you have to get to do this.

I will even pay the return shipping.. Some say I am Santa Clause Stupid, but that's ok with me.

Another way I can show you who and what I am is tell you to go over to mcusa (hit that in google so you know what you did)

Over there I am MacMac recently so have a low post count. I also am a Mod over there, but chose to step down and the Admin refuses to take my tools.

So more post counts in the thousands are under Mac_Muz. These can be found there from day 1, as well as in stickies, mostly in motoman. You can ask anyone there with a post counts in high hundreds, anything you want about me. CaddmanQ is my self chosen replacement global mod and has been since before that ride across the USA. I met him, hell I stayed with him 18 days in Cal!.. He will tell you I wear my heart on my sleeve..

I met AC Cowboy in Kansas and stayed 3 nights, I met Puppy Indiana and stayed 3 nights. I met 1-K Per Day and stayed 5 nights because my wife became ill in Utah. This gives you something to ask.

Oh yeah I met Lion Lady in Md at her BWM workshop day, where riders with BMW fix things, install fuferaw, and get oil changes done as a group.

They had a little project just for me. LOL They had a 2 cylinder BMW bike that turned by hand went just so far, and locked. You could turn it back and it would lock. My job was to discover why and what the fix was. Well I found a bent valve and 0 compression. Since thewre was no parts I made it run on 1, and showed and explained How To fix it when parts could be had.. Free.

Lion Lady is also a mod I chose long ago. Over there I am one of the so called motoman characters.

Over there both profiles go to the same Flicker picture account as well. You can click the user names and or the house like looking Icon under the names.

Once more the why is you have a dream... I know since I built my EMF from a parts kit that there is no part on your gun I don't know how it works...

What happens next is up to you. I just think you really embraced that gun and woould prefer it to work, whether or not you can buy 40 more guns just like it as made new today... Pretty simple to for me to see that is true. mac

Here is the link to my flicker
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mac_muz15/sets

Way lower left is "1 Fun Stuff of works" where one of the pics in that album shows that 1860 army, with other items I made... all of them.