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End of Trail moving to NM. Residents worried.

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  1. 4570Rick

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    URL: http://www.mvtelegraph.com/177678mtnview05-20-04.htm
    Thursday, May 20, 2004

    End of Trail Worries Locals

    By Ruben Gonzales and Kathy Louise Schuit

    Mountain View Telegraph


    The Single Action Shooting Society and the megabucks associated with its annual Old West-style events plan to bless Torrance County in 2005.
    Some residents living near the site of the extravaganza wonder what happened to the county's notification and hearing process.
    On March 2, the Torrance County Planning and Zoning Commission approved a permanent conditional-use permit for SASS to hold its annual End of Trail event on 480 acres in the far northwest corner of the county.
    The property, purchased by SASS earlier this year, lies at the corner of Juan Tomas Road and Barton Road— a part of Torrance County bordered by Bernalillo County to the west and Santa Fe County to the north.
    Residents living along N.M. 217, the most-improved vehicle entrance to the property, met Monday to discuss their fears and concerns about the arrival of SASS into their neighborhood.
    The SASS annual End of Trail event has a history of attracting up to 25,000 people to the group's previous home in Norco, Calif. It includes re-enactments of historical moments from the Old West and famous scenes from Western movies.
    The shooting of live rounds and blanks from single-action pistols and rifles is also part of the program. N.M. 217 residents want to know who will regulate that activity.
    They also have questions about water and waste disposal on the property— where 800 sites for recreational vehicles and several permanent "bunkhouse"-type structures are planned— and wonder if campfires will be allowed in the high-fire-danger month of May, when the End of Trail event is scheduled to occur annually.
    Additionally, the residents say they are curious about why there were no public hearings for the conditional use or even a presentation to the Torrance County Commission.
    "Public hearings aren't required," said Doug Johnston, Torrance County planning officer.
    Under current Torrance County zoning regulations, Johnston said, the planning and zoning board may approve conditional uses if certain specifications are met. In this case, he said, the group meets those specifics through its educational mission and a plan that answers the residents' concerns:


    All weapons are of the single-action variety— requiring that the hammer be cocked prior to each shot. "These are not modern, high-powered weapons," Johnston said;

    The water source at the property was established by the previous owner— a 250,000-gallon water tank filled by a single well has for years supplied water to the ranch that in the past served as home to large herds of cattle, buffalo and other range animals;

    Sewage will mostly be handled with portable facilities;

    The group will have its own volunteers as well as the help of both Torrance County and Bernalillo County sheriff's departments for traffic control and other crowd-monitoring efforts.
    In addition to the End of Trail event, the property will also regularly play host to the filming of historical and educational documentaries, photographers and writers from Outdoor Life magazine and gun safety schools, said Torrance County Manager Bob Ayre.
    Most of the gross receipts taxes generated by participants— whose median age falls in the 50-65 range— and spectators will come to Edgewood and Albuquerque, Ayre said.
    Ken Amorosana, marketing director for SASS, said the event could bring from $5 million to $7 million to the area in purchases of gas, accommodations, food and supplies.
    Benefits to Torrance County will come in the form of taxes from on-site sales and property taxes, said Ayre.
    "The economic development and the gross receipts it generates will benefit all area residents," he said. "We're trying to do clean, wholesome economic development."
    In the first year of operation, the event will bring mainly shooting competitors from outside New Mexico, Amorosana said. He said the SASS expects no more than about 1,500 competitors for 2005.
    Amorosana said he chose to move his operation from California to New Mexico because he wanted to keep the Southwest culture alive.
    It's the potential loss of their own Southwest culture that N.M. 217 residents say has them concerned.
    They plan to meet again Monday to further discuss SASS and other developments in the N.M. 217 area.
     
  2. Baba Louie

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    "We fear change." garth algar on Wayne's World

    http://terraserver-usa.com/image.aspx?t=2&s=16&x=30&y=302&z=13&w=1

    I found 217 and Juan Tomas Rd just south of 66/I-40 about 42 klicks E of Albuquerque (Albakerky for the phoneticists and spelling challenged).
    25,000 people will swamp the locals at first and strain all services. Then the capitalists among them will decide they like making other people's money appear in their own bank accounts.

    I would hope to see more Native American Action Shooters in the near future tho' as a result. Maybe a "Tonto" class ("What you mean WE, white man?"... sorry, old joke) can evolve (Bow, spear and tomahawk).

    At any rate, I'd expect Sutler's Row to have a whole bunch of Native arts & goods added to the trading $ for stuff.

    Beautiful country over thataway.

    Wish Terraserver had color aerial photos.
     
  3. TarpleyG

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    I suppose they won't kill someone just as dead either, right genious?

    Greg
     
  4. Sylvilagus Aquaticus

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    um....isn't that kinda what SASS reflects is Southwest culture, or are these gringos only interested in the indian blanket/tourist turquoise/pottery Southwest culture?

    Sounds like the 'residents' don't like the idea that folks have the right to use their property as they see fit. Did Santa Fe move closer to ABQ suddenly, or are these 'real people' who live out there? Last time I was out that way they needed all the economic benefit they could get their hands on.

    Regards,
    Rabbit.
     
  5. TallPine

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    Well, if SASS isn't welcome in New Mexico, we could sure use their dollars up here in central and eastern Montana.
     
  6. cslinger

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    Tarpley G,

    Just what I was thinking. You have to give SASS credit they have taken a whole series of firearms and turned them into.......TOYS.....friendly nostalgic items...........if only we could MARKET other firearms in such a masterful way.

    Homeland defense rifles......Read Assault Rifle/EBR/MBR Etc.
    Bolt Action Family Marksman Rifles.....Read sniper rifle.
    Sub-Caliber Indoor Family Plinking Rifles.....Read SMG/Pistol Caliber Carbine.
    Etc. and so on.

    Chris
     
  7. Ohen Cepel

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    NM is a VERY pink state!!!!

    Too bad they couldn't have gone to a better place. Which would have been almost any other state out there except Cali.

    I'm sure AZ or Texas would have welcomed them with open arms. Oh well.
     
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    Its times like this I think about paving my entire yard, except for where two tres grow, and doing figure eights around them, just because I can...
     
  9. Kharn

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    Zach S:
    Gravel, its cheaper and looks trashier. :evil:

    Kharn
     
  10. Erich

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    Hey, the "worried" portion of the residents of Torrance County are in no way the majority. Most folks here are pleased as punch, and why wouldn't we be?
     
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    $A$$ is having problems. Their biggest problem IS Ken or Chiseler as he is called in $A$$. $A$$ founder Harper Creigh (sp) or Judge Roy Bean is retiring to the NM property. This is NOT a benefit the community effort. The increased demands on law enforcement will absorb most of any economic gains. Imagine, 1600 people with at least four firearms coming to town. Security demands will be massive. The gangs, armed robbers, smash and grab artists and hotel/motel thieves were bad in California. Many firearms were stolen each year. $A$$ moved EOT due to security concerns. They were able to pull the wool over the eyes of the naive local government in NM. Sewage, fire protection, police protection and EMS requests are going to be huge. Traffic is going to be terrible. The whole thing is going to be a mess. Do you have any idea of the amount of effluvium that 1600 people can create? Port-a-potties? Yeah, RIGHT!
     
  12. Trebor

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    Talk to the people around Butler, Pa, where the Society for Creative Anachronism holds it's annual Pennsic War every August. The event lasts two weeks, with up to 10,000 people on site. Porta potties work just fine, as long as they are on a regular service schedule.

    The local community is always happy to see the SCA show up as we pump all sorts of money into the local economy. I don't know much about SASS, but I bet the locals in NM will think differently when they see the economic impact.
     
  13. Evil_Ed

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    Hey Trebor,
    What kingdom are you in? :) I've been a member for 14 years on and off. I have never hit Pennsic but have gone to Gulf Wars a couple of times, went to Fools War when it still existed up in Meridies as well.
     
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    Having lived in that area for quite a bit I can tell you that the only southwestern culture that the complaining residents have is a simulated adobe home and a ristra hanging somewhere around the house. Most are rich imports from Cali and Wash. The rest are tax refugees from Santa Fe and Albuquerque.
    We would be pleased if most went back.


    Sam
     
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    So, to get to the End of Trails from here would I take a right or a left turn at Albuquerque?

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  16. swingset

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    I organize and sit on the planning committee of a huge flea market/gun show near me that does 25,000 in attendance in a weekend, on average. No problem whatsoever. The portable toilets (60 total) handle the crowd with ease, and often only need 1 cycle during a 3 day event, even with camping.

    Me thinks this is a whole lot of nonsense over a small event.
     
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    Yeah, that's right - those SASS folks are well known to shoot up saloons, rustle cattle, and rob trains ....

    :rolleyes:
     
  18. 2nd Amendment

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    Traffic is going to be terrible. The whole thing is going to be a mess. Do you have any idea of the amount of effluvium that 1600 people can create? Port-a-potties? Yeah, RIGHT!

    Local covered bridge festival at Mansfield every year is now over 1 million people during its one week duration. The bulk of waste management is handled by portable toilets with little to no logistical or enviromental problems. Meanwhile all that traffic is channeled down one two lane highway, 10 hours a day, everyday. It can be annoying in the evenings but it works. Here in my town the annual "Freedom Festival" is coming up. We'll have 100k here over that week including 50k in town for the parade. Traffic and waste is nothing to handle.
     
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    With the last air-show at Nellis Air Force Base, the port-a-potties worked very well (a lot of them and NO waiting lines!), the traffic was managable, and 240.000 (two hundred and fourty thousend) people had a lot of fun.

    Where is the problem with 1600 people?
     
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    I live about 20 miles from where they've held EOT since the beginning. Raahague's is just east of the LA County border. If these problems are so bad, why have I not read about them in the local papers (who publish livestock deaths in the summer)?
     
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    FYI, the cowboys with black sashes are NOT gang members. It only identifies them as black powder shooters.

    As for your other misconceptions, I too must have missed the cowboy crime wave. Maybe it's because I live on the other side of the country, but you would think that the reports of armed robbers with two six shooters, a rifle and shotgun would have made the national news.
     
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    Josey says:

    Hmmmmm...that's news to me; and I think that I would have heard all about it since it all occurred just down the road apiece.

    I'm sure that Josey will be along shortly with some links that will corroborate his assertions...right Josey?:scrutiny:

    Sawdust
     
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    I wonder what Mike Raahauge did to piss them off? :)
     
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    RUMOUR- The rumour mill suggests that the EPA may be enforcing lead contamination standards on shooting ranges. That means $A$$ contributed to the contamination but, is not going to contribute to the clean up. -RUMOUR There are lists circulated of stolen/lost firearms after EOT each year.
     
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    A bunch of fifty and sixty yearolds toting guns and playing cowboy, my god what has this world coming to. If I lived there I would hide under my bed for fear they will get geritoled up and reak havoc on the town. Only the pi$$and moan crowd makes the news.
     
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