Residents Don't Like Scout's Range

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Attacking adult gun enthusiasts and their ranges is hoplophobic and petty enough. Going after a Boy Scout range? Come on! Thats like trying to get a school shut down because you don't like the noise from recess.
I got my first exposure to shooting with BSA, first with BB guns, then .22's. that was 10-11 years ago. I can't imagine a safer or more positive way to introduce kids to shooting sports. They even did a demo one night of why the safety rules are so important by taking a shotgun (i think the camp had 20ga) and shooting fruit and a full commercial sized can of tomato juice. Such a positive program in young men's lives, and these people just want to complain it away. :barf:
 
Heh, they wouldn't let me participate in anything relating to guns when I was in Boy Scouts. I barely got permission for archery.

(I was "that kid" for some reason.)
 
SoCal, where is your range?

This was our solution...

That big building is a 100 yard indoor range.

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http://www.project2000range.com/
 
I think you have "big fat liar" issues, from what I've heard. The could have at least claimed a rifle round landed a mile away...

I'm glad to hear you're getting these things dealt with. We just got through our conditional use permit renewal process; we essentially have to provide a natural reserve on our property, at our expense, for the privilege of using some of the property we supposedly own. Grrr.

Our clubs have a lot of mutual members, and I'm on the P2K board of directors, so we try to keep up on these things. Living in fear, ah, isn't it great?
 
I know I know, the guy used to be a member of the range and he helped the range buy the property not to mention the artist your talking about should not have built her darned house there. The last report was a 50bmg round landed on someones property, but slowly we are getting things fixed, we only have 7 volunteers to work at the range, in a club of 2000+
 
I do wish the Scouts well in this matter.

I've seen private airports and car & motorcycle race tracks shut down because of neighbor complaints. Even heard of motorcycle riding on private property being banned in one county.

All of those were there prior to the neighbors moving in - some for decades.
 
Artists. That should be the key word in the first post. Bet they moved in a few years ago, and set about trying to make the area like the place they moved from. Morons. If you move somewhere knowing what is around, be it an airport, gunrange, or refinery, you should forfeit your right to complain.
 
As an Eagle Scout, I used to work at a Scout Summer camp. The rifle range was one of the quietest places. Zero horseplay, zero talking out of turn, all actions were dictated by the range master, period. Everywhere else was total chaos at times. After the 'fire at will' command, ten little bolt action .22lrs might sound like 'automatic fire', but they were the slowest and safest pieces we could find.

The good news is, many important folks in politics seems to be attached to the scouts in some way. Let's hope that holds true here.
 
These "Artists" are the kind of people that really grind my gears... Expect the world to conform to them. Instead of complaining about the noise... I know, this may sound crazy. Go see what is really going on there. See what the scouts are learning, safety, responsibility. Find out how responsibly the scouts act around firearms. Every shot I hear from a BSA range, just sounds like boys maturing into responsible young men, one round at a time.

Plus maybe they could pick up some of the brass and make a nice sculpture or something or whatever they do....
 
Gee whiz, skinewmexico and Psywarrior13, you're painting the word 'artist' with a pretty broad brush there. Before you go and turn this into a class warfare or Dem v. Rep thread, and get it closed, maybe you'd like to hear that I'm an artist (or at least I am being paid full time to create art 4 months of the year. The rest of the year I'm a construction worker…). I also have a 100M range in my back yard. My girlfriend is a writer. We both enjoy shooting. Our 'neighbor' (I put neighbor in quotes because we've only seen him around 2 weekends so far this year) up the road doesn't like the sound of our shooting. Guess what? He's a Republican stockbroker. Go figure. Dude spent $2MM renovating his farm house, and now he never goes there.

So go ahead and be smug, condescending and believe you and your ilk to be the sole defenders of civil liberties. It's said that artists frequently have superior fine motor skills and eyesight compared with the general population. Stands to reason some of us might also be pretty good shots.
 
Good one Lemmy,
One of the last holdouts of stupidity on this forum is the gut-reaction "must be the darn ______ !!! (add favorite hate group)" crowd.

I personally know of several ranges that are under the same pressure as the Scout range and the pressure is not from individuals. The pressure is from real-estate developers and people who have moved into million dollar developments. One developer offered to relocate a range for free to get planning permission then refused to follow through on the deal after he had built his houses.
 
this is going to be the fate of every outdoor range in the country....

at the rod n' gun where I shoot (which has been there forever) some genious developer built a condo. complex right next door.

years later...you-guessed it....they're all squaking about the noise. Especially the next generation who bought into the place not realizing what was next door.

the way our club has addressed it has been two fold...

1. bring in NRA consultant and make SURE the range is as safe as it can be (i.e. really tall berms and no rounds landing off the property, timber lane dividers to prevent an accident on the range, and a new fence w/ cypher lock.)

2. they don't budge an inch on the noise. Basically, they were there first and it's to bad if you don't like it.
 
Thats what our range has had to do is send our club officers to NRA range school basically and have the NRA consult it. Also developers are unscrupulous, and people dont do their home work either. But squeaky wheel gets the oil. Not to mention the fact that common sense in the general populace is..well dead.
 
Ok its a Boy Scout range, as in The Boy Scouts of America.

I bet you that at least one of the complainers are gay or otherwise support the gay political communities call to destroy the BSA.

These things are rarely about the noise and almost always about politics.
 
I bet you that at least one of the complainers are gay or otherwise support the gay political communities call to destroy the BSA.
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THOSE HOMOS AND THEIR AGENDAS! :cuss:


Seriously? Is that what you honestly believe?
 
Aran said:
Seriously? Is that what you honestly believe?
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Yes, the ACLU has sued the Boy Scouts of America repeatedly on behalf of gay rights groups. The BSA has been targeted by many leftist groups (the gays are just the louder ones)

I also specified gay POLITICAL communities. Most of the gays I know don't have any beef with the BSA.

So I would not at all be surprised to find that the attempt to close this BSA range was not motivated (at least in part) by gay politics.
 
@Zundfolge-

So, uh, how do you exfoliate all those scabs on your knuckles? Or are furnace gloves part of your sartorial routine?

But, anyway, I can say that I have lived within a couple hundred yards of a few more or less formal ranges in my time. The good ones didn't bother me and kept the hours to the general business day. The one bad one was sighted such that all sound was channeled toward the neighbors, but away from the landowner's house, and allowed pretty much anyone on the property to shoot from twilight to well after dusk. The big problem came when the formal range in a larger town was shut down by its neighbors. Then everyone, including the PDs from every neighboring town, came to my neighbor's. It went from maybe 10 shooters a day, and generally single shot target shooting/sighting in for deer season to non-stop semi-auto fire from dawn to dusk six or seven days a week.

I generally like the sound of gunfire, but it does interrupt the dinner conversation, when you're eating on the back porch in summer. Not as much as the other neighbor's riding mower, but how many times can one mow one's lawn, per week?
 
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