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Residents Don't Like Scout's Range

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  1. Steve N

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    The range is in southwest Lorain county, OH. (Next county west of Cleveland). It is a rural area. I have no idea who was there first, the range or the residents.

    http://www.chroniclet.com/2008/08/1...ver-shooting-range-in-henrietta-township_122/

    Residents, Scouts at odds over shooting range in Henrietta Township
    Cindy Leise | The Chronicle-Telegram


    HENRIETTA TWP. — Emotions ran high Wednesday night as residents near the Firelands Boy Scout Reservation complained to township trustees about noise from two shooting ranges.

    But scouting officials said they already eliminated black powder musket shooting and moved a shotgun range to the center of the property without satisfying residents.

    “We feel we have an adversarial role with them — we’re not comfortable with them,” said Rick Cloud, program director for the Scouts’ Heart of Ohio Council, which serves Lorain and eight other counties.

    But residents said the council has only made half-hearted efforts to soundproof the shooting range near Gore Orphanage Road, and more could be done.

    Deborah Banyas, who runs River Dog Studio several hundred yards away from the shooting range, said the noise seems worse after a metal roof was installed years ago.

    Her husband, Terry Speer, also an artist, told trustees that residents offered to pay for soundproofing, but there was no response from the council. He said people have tape recordings of automatic gunfire coming from the site.

    “I don’t think the Boy Scouts have acted in good faith,” Speer said.

    Cloud, Banyas and Speer were among about 25 people who attended the meeting.

    Cloud said no one is permitted to shoot automatic or semiautomatic weapons. He said the Scouts tried to soundproof the range near Banyas that is used for .22-caliber rifles and that neighbors put loudspeakers on the edge of the property and cursed in the presence of children.

    Banyas said the loudspeakers were used only once, on July 4 weekend.

    Speer acknowledged using a “rather nasty” word to camp Ranger Dan Thomas while calling him a liar, but Speer said no children heard him.

    Lorain County Sheriff’s Deputy J.D. Rico, who attended the meeting, said no one called the Sheriff’s Office about the loudspeakers on July 4. He distributed copies of various laws at the meeting and said he would have taken anyone to jail for persisting in disorderly conduct if they refused to remove the loudspeakers. The township does not have a noise ordinance, but excessive noise after 9 p.m. could be considered disturbing the peace, Rico said.

    As the meeting progressed, Assistant County Prosecutor Gerald Innes advised trustees about whether the shooting range is a protected grandfathered use, which means it is exempt from township zoning laws because it predates them.

    Innes said modifications to the range might put its protected grandfathered use in doubt, but he couldn’t say at this time. He said residents could file a complaint and the prosecutor’s office would investigate, but that might mean pulling investigators off more pressing cases.

    The issue could end up in court, where a judge would likely order mediation, Innes said.

    Among those speaking on behalf of the Scouts was Tom Quinn of Camden Township, who said, “The children who use this enjoy it immensely.”

    Resident Paula Aghajanian said, “Nobody’s suggesting you take it away.”

    Trustee Ronald Baumann asked for information on when shooting takes place.

    According to Cloud, shooting happens 9 a.m. to noon and 2 to 5 p.m. on weekdays during the five weeks camp is open. Children also shoot 7:30 to 9 p.m. on Wednesday nights during camp.

    He said there also is shooting six to 10 Saturdays a year and one day of shooting when the Young Marines come to camp. He said some church groups also shoot there and that the camp has a nuisance permit to cull the geese population.

    Trustees got a promise from both sides that they would continue talking after Speer complained that scouting officials no longer took his calls.

    As the meeting drew to a close, trustee Joe Knoble expressed some hope that the dispute could be resolved.

    “I hope something good will come out of this,” he said.

    Contact Cindy Leise at 329-7245 or cleise@chroniclet.com.
     
  2. Bill2e

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    That's why we need supressors. Problem solved.
     
  3. redneckdan

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    my thoughts exactly
     
  4. ScottsGT

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    I sent this to Cindy, the writer:

    Cindy,
    I read your article about noise coming from the Boy Scout shooting range. As a reporter, maybe you could look into the use of supressors on the Boy Scouts rifles? A good suppressor can be purchased for around $300 for .22LR (as this is the largest caliber allowed by the BSA) and an additional $200 tax to be paid to the BATFE. I’m not sure about the laws of Ohio, but here in South Carolina, we use them all the time. If the residents are willing to help with the cost of sound proofing, I’m sure they would be willing to help with suppressor purchases?
    Now the shotguns are going to be a problem……
    Hope this helps.

    Scott A. Smith
    Columbia, SC
    A happy suppressor owner!
     
  5. MakAttak

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    How is this a problem?

    Are people just scared about the shooting?

    Were they sold their property unaware that a Boy Scout camp had a shooting range within earshot?

    I'm so sick of people who make bad choices (moving next to a range) and then complain about it!

    I'm sure they got a good deal because it was near the camp and now they complain because IT IS NEAR A BOY SCOUT CAMP!

    Welcome to entitled America, litigious America, land of the whiners. This is the same sentiment that people have when they move next to a pig farm and then use the power of the state to close down the farm because THEY DON'T LIKE LIVING NEXT TO A PIG FARM!
     
  6. bogie

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    Guys, you need a "poison pen" thing in your club by-laws, stipulating that if you ever have to close the club to shooting because of neighbor/noise complaints, it will be repurposed into either a pig or chicken farm.
     
  7. TexasRifleman

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    You mean like make suppressors non-NFA so anyone could have them without breaking the bank?

    I'm in.....
     
  8. Handyguy

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    AMEN!!! That is what happened in suburban West Palm Beach, FL. years ago. Folk$ bought high buck homes near a shooting club then complained
    about the noise until it was closed.
     
  9. Sun195

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    Auto parts (junk) yard, feed lot or composting facility would also be a good options for the neighbors...

    We have similar conflicts around here with ranges and new residents. Due diligence is apparently lacking when these people buy their homes. There's one place where someone built new homes overlooking the shotgun range. Not quite like being on the golf course. I'm sure the builder (and maybe home buyers) thought they could eventually get the range shut down if they complained long enough. Hasn't happened yet - hope they have triple-pane windows...
     
  10. Drgong

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    I say chicken farm...or better yet, Plant crops and buy chicken waste as a fertilizer. In NC at least there not one thing you can do if one decides to farm like that ;)
     
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    Soap factory (have you ever smelled the rendering process for making natural soap?....UGH!)
     
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    I used to live in rural area and had a neighbor with a few acres behind me that was really bothered by my shooting. It was in a creek bottom that dropped off 30 feet from our homes and we shot into the bank. He complained about the noise, but that was not the real issue. Considering the frequency, duration, and decibel level experienced at the distant neighbors house, he undoubtedly was making as much or more "noise" with his mower, chainsaw, etc. So he could tolerate his noise, but not mine.

    After presenting this argument to my neighbor, he agreed and admitted that gunfire un-nerved his wife.

    I knew we were moving, and rather than make a bigger issue of it, decided to be a good neighbor and shoot at alternative locations until we moved.
     
  13. Henry Bowman

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    Suppressors are A-OK in Ohio.
     
  14. marineman

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    It is a matter of whether the range or the residents were there first. If the range was there first, then it is the resident's that are being inconsiderate because they should have checked and knew about the range before moving in by it. If the range was put up in the presence of the residents, then the range is being inconsiderate unless they make every effort to eliminate the sound.
     
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    Sounds to me like a bunch of hoplophobic pansies need to find another hobby. Good grief, people! Gunfire is not all that loud from "several hundred yards away."
     
  16. MakAttak

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    From the article:

    So here's the irony: Since the range was there first (as suggested by this quote), it is grandfathered in so the county can't touch it.

    However, IF they make changes to mitigate sound, the county can now claim it is new construction subject to their zoning laws.

    I wonder why the Scouts are reluctant to do anything to the range?...
     
  17. everallm

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    You want an evil, lingering stench you want a leather tanning yard.

    Or you could offer it to the FBI or a university with a good forensics department for a body farm. This is where corpses, human and otherwise are left in various differing environmental conditions to allow detailed analysis and training in decomposition etc......:evil:
     
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    Same thing happened when the DFW airport was built. Some developer years later came in and put up expensive homes and then eveybody started complaining about the jet noise. Go Figure. Now we not only have sheep we have whiney sheep
     
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    How load can a 22LR possibly be? Even shottguns aren't that load especially several hundred yards away.
     
  20. Aran

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    I can shoot my 10/22 without hearing protection without it bothering me, that's about how loud .22LR can be.
     
  21. Justin

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    If you're shooting a 10/22 without hearing protection, YOU ARE DAMAGING YOUR HEARING. It doesn't matter if it hurts or not. The decibel level of a .22 LR is still high enough to cause damage.
     
  22. Mt Shooter

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    Amen!

    I'll bet, perhaps they where watching Rambo at the time of this recording?
     
  23. pappy

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    Huh?? At a Boy Scout camp?? Somehow, I really can't believe this!
     
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    I said I can, not that I do it regularly. Ear plug fell out as I started to shoot one day. I'm half deaf anyhow, though.
     
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    When I worked at Seven Ranges a few years ago the Ranger there was about 70 and had worked at Firelands in his twenties, I doubt the homes came second.

    Having run the line at a Boy Scout rifle and shotgun range I find it impossible to believe that even a dozen .22s are really "loud" at any reasonable range. Even the shotguns you could barely hear past 200 yards.

    This type of stuff drives me nuts.

    FFMedic
     
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