"Energy weapons" in Iraq?

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It seems to me I saw a post a while ago asking about something that may be related to this: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,72134-0.html?tw=wn_index_1

"Say Hello to the Goodbye Weapon
by David Hambling

The crowd is getting ugly. Soldiers roll up in a Hummer. Suddenly, the whole right half of your body is screaming in agony. You feel like you've been dipped in molten lava. You almost faint from shock and pain, but instead you stumble backwards -- and then start running. To your surprise, everyone else is running too. In a few seconds, the street is completely empty.

You've just been hit with a new nonlethal weapon that has been certified for use in Iraq -- even though critics argue there may be unforeseen effects.

According to documents obtained for Wired News under federal sunshine laws, the Air Force's Active Denial System, or ADS, has been certified safe after lengthy tests by military scientists in the lab and in war games.

The ADS shoots a beam of millimeters waves, which are longer in wavelength than x-rays but shorter than microwaves -- 94 GHz (= 3 mm wavelength) compared to 2.45 GHz (= 12 cm wavelength) in a standard microwave oven.

The longer waves are thought to limit the effects of the radiation. If used properly, ADS will produce no lasting adverse affects, the military argues.

Documents acquired for Wired News using the Freedom of Information Act claim that most of the radiation (83 percent) is instantly absorbed by the top layer of the skin, heating it rapidly.

The beam produces what experimenters call the "Goodbye effect," or "prompt and highly motivated escape behavior." In human tests, most subjects reached their pain threshold within 3 seconds, and none of the subjects could endure more than 5 seconds.

"It will repel you," one test subject said. "If hit by the beam, you will move out of it -- reflexively and quickly. You for sure will not be eager to experience it again."

But while subjects may feel like they have sustained serious burns, the documents claim effects are not long-lasting. At most, "some volunteers who tolerate the heat may experience prolonged redness or even small blisters," the Air Force experiments concluded.

The reports describe an elaborate series of investigations involving human subjects.

The volunteers were military personnel: active, reserve or retired, who volunteered for the tests. They were unpaid, but the subjects would "benefit from direct knowledge that an effective nonlethal weapon system could soon be in the inventory," said one report. The tests ranged from simple exposure in the laboratory to elaborate war games involving hundreds of participants.

The military simulated crowd control situations, rescuing helicopter crews in a Black Hawk Down setting and urban assaults. More unusual tests involved alcohol, attack dogs and maze-like obstacle courses.

In more than 10,000 exposures, there were six cases of blistering and one instance of second-degree burns in a laboratory accident, the documents claim.

The ADS was developed in complete secrecy for 10 years at a cost of $40 million. Its existence was revealed in 2001 by news reports, but most details of ADS human testing remain classified. There has been no independent checking of the military's claims.

The ADS technology is ready to deploy, and the Army requested ADS-armed Strykers for Iraq last year. But the military is well aware that any adverse publicity could finish the program, and it does not want to risk distressed victims wailing about evil new weapons on CNN." (more at link)
 
The post a while ago was that some Air Force general who should have lost his job had suggested trying it on crowd-control in the United States before using it over there. :barf:

They've also not figured crowd trampling fatalities into their "risk assessment", or that when a crowd panics and tramples, it's usually the elderly and children who die. It's just one more ostensibly nonlethal weapon that'll eventually be irreponsibly used here, (hey, it's nonlethal, right?!) like tasers and FN 303 pepper launchers, both of which have killed people.

As an alternative to minefields for base perimeters, on towers, yes, I can see its use. It'd even be good as a field around anchored ships to keep suicide bomber boats away, perhaps...nuclear vessels have no shortage of electrical power! As a crowd control device, it's just asking for abuse and backlash.
 
I remember hearing about this on the news summer of 2005. It was supposed to get used over in Iraq that winter, but I guess it got delayed. Its good to see its back on track because its an amazing technology if you ask me.

Back then they described it by saying that at first it feels like when you open an oven and you get hit with that heat wave. Then within a second it becomes completely unbareable.
 
Back then they described it by saying that at first it feels like when you open an oven and you get hit with thatheat wave. Then within a second it becomes completely unbareable.

Don't worry, I'm sure you'll eventually feel what it's like firsthand. All you have to do is accidentally be at the wrong place at the wrong time, such as walking by a "free speech zone" border you didn't know about.
 
What happens if you are carrying a metal object? Would it eventually get hot/

We know this causes problems in microwave ovens.
 
Don't worry, I'm sure you'll eventually feel what it's like firsthand. All you have to do is accidentally be at the wrong place at the wrong time, such as walking by a "free speech zone" border you didn't know about.

I hear you.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=233458&highlight=laser
(that thread was started specifically due to this weapon system)

But I would still rather our country come up with it than someone else. All technology is inevitable IMO. Its just a matter of time before we self destruct. Better suicide than defeat.
 
The longer waves are thought to limit the effects of the radiation. If used properly, ADS will produce no lasting adverse affects, the military argues.
Notice the lack of certainty? Perhaps our elected representatives and their appointees that have allowed these wonderful devices to be produced and fielded would like to star in a live test to reassure everyone that phrases and words like "are thought" and "argues" are sufficient yardsticks for the safety of global plantation serfs like us who might get restless about one thing or another in the near future.

NYPD had vehicle mounted sound cannons operational on the streets of NYC during the Republican National Campaign a few years back. Notice that the United oligarchs of Nations, their global plantation propaganda generators - "Human Rights" and other "Non-Government Organizations" - aren't all over the now highly developed and operational "non-lethal" and "less than lethal weapons".

Interesting book written on this subject a number of years ago - when items like these - were already under intensive developement: "Angels don't Play this HAARP: Advances in Tesla Technology" by Dr. Nick Begich.

The book centers around the Eastlund U.S. Patent 4,686,605 August 11, 1987 "Method and apparatus for altering a region in the earth's atmosphere, ionosphere, and/or magnetosphere" and it's various applications and further developement. The book also explores the military and "law enforcement" avenues citing their own documents on the subject of HAARP and other "less than lethal" weapons.

SEE: U.S. Patent 4,686,605
http://patft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph...50&s1=4686605.PN.&OS=PN/4686605&RS=PN/4686605

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At 3mm the wavelength is easily deflected with metallic clothing. Something say like the aluminized gear we see airport firefighters etc. wear. As to how hot would someone inside get? If you were standing real close to the source of the energy for any period you might absorb enough energy to raise your core temperature. All radiation is subject to the inverse square law. Double the distance from the source and the amount of energy is one quarter. Keep doubling the distance and real soon the energy involved is insignificant.
This type of device is intended to make hostile but nonviolent crowds disperse with a minimum risk of injury. Not zero risk as nothing is zero risk.
It probably offers less risk of bodily harm and injury than tear gas and water cannon. And it's vastly less dangerous for the crowd than squaring of against
soldiers or police with any type of projectile weapon.

In theory it could cause cancer levels to increase slightly or perhaps genetically significant damage to the populace, time and research will tell.
Assuming the government wants to take the time to do the research.

This is just another less lethal tool for crowd control. Will it be used in America? I'm sure it will eventually. And like all technologies it will at some
point be misused by some bonehead in charge somewhere.

Most of us have little to fear from this type of device. It is more a curiosity.
For determined anarchists etc. it would be a minor deterrent at best.
 
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