Enfield ID Help

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Ok so I got in two Enfields from Centerfire yesterday and I have no clue who manufactured them or where they came from. So where can I find a listing of markings stampings etc so I can ID them? And what parts should I look for the marks on?
 
Look on the receiver band under where the bolt knob rests when closed. That's the best place to start.
Markings can be all over the thing, from butt, barrel, reciever, etc.
 
Both were cosmolined to all heck. I've only striped down the No 1 Mk III so far and that was only because it "looked" the cleanest (I was wrong). Both still have a lot of grease to pull off the wood. I did run a bore snake down through them though and both bores look in great shape, a lot better then I was expecting. So while they may be ugly and greasy for a little bit more I'm hoping they'll shoot a lot better.
 
Well good to hear. I picked up my No 4 Mk I today and holy mother of all that is sacred, I've never seen such a beat piece of crap. The stock is actually in OK with 2 repairs on the butt but the metal is something else. Looks like someone took a grinder to it to remove rust. All the markings are gone from the receiver and someone has electropenciled No 4 Mk I in the side.

I paid $15 extra to get a handpicked example. I'm calling Centerfire tomorrow to ask them if this is what they call hand picked or if the "regular" rifles are a heap of smoldering ash. I don't expect a pristine rifle from a surplus lot but **geez**
 
Mine sounds a lot like yours. Hell, I think I can see chain marks from some sort of a pickup drag.

If I catch the guy that did this to my rifle, he is SO screwed..........
 
You guys are scaring me. I have a Mk I and a 4 to pick up at my dealer tomorrow, and I was hoping for some decent rifles with the handpicked option. I at least would like to get a shooter out of one, if not something with some history behind it. Ill keep my fingers crossed I guess.
 
To my knowledge, Tennessee Guns was the importer of all the rifles both AIM and Centerfire are selling (Enfields of course). There were 3,000 or so.

As to the origins? They are ALL from Northern India, and have been Indian FTR'd at Ishapore. ALL of them. Some are directly RFI (Rifle Factory Ishapore) built (No1mkIII's), some are Brit, Canadian or Lithgow Aussie made but rebuilt in India. This should have been made VERY clear by both companies, which is disappointing it was not, but that's the way it goes.

To find out the origins of No4 rifles, you usually need to research the serial numbers to find out the maker. Stratton sells a nice book for that.

The finish on the No4's is the way it is probably because the guns were power-washed either prior to shipment or here at the importer (where is anyone's guess). Notice all the No4's have evenly worn finish, not just in the wear areas? Also, some scrubbing marks are evident. The Indians slathered these guns with black paint, and likely the power washing took it off. The wood is open grained too, which is also a tip-off. The no1's fared better in this trip and aren't as beat up from the examples I've seen at AIM and on the net.

Not trying to pee in anyone's wheaties, but these guns are a disappointment to us Enfield collectors, but should be serviceable shooters none the less.

The stock is actually in OK with 2 repairs on the butt but the metal is something else. Looks like someone took a grinder to it to remove rust. All the markings are gone from the receiver and someone has electropenciled No 4 Mk I in the side.

The Indians didn't always, but often scrubbed the receivers during their FTR process, destroying alot of inspection marks and Brit markings. Sad, but that's part of the rifle's history. It was probably not done here in the states. Just FYI.
 
Just called Centerfire. They were apologetic that the rifle was such a mis matched mess. Got called "honey" and "sweetheart" by the nice lady on the phone...been a long time since that has happened before 9am ...

I was VERY specific about what I consider to be an acceptable condition rifle this time for a handpick. Going BSA micrometer sights and NO hand grinding on the receiver.

We'll see what happens.
 
So, are most of the bores really in good shape??? That was what I wanted the most. I am getting one to put new wood on and use as a cool shooter, not a safe queen or investment collectable.

**still crossing fingers**
 
Please permit a word about "handpicked". The importer may have 10 thousand or 100 thousand rifles in the warehouse. Every day, a number are brought to the shipping department, based on orders received and experience as to how many orders can be filled in a day. Those rifles are placed in racks. When a "hand pick" order is to be filled, someone makes a quick pass at the racks and picks out one that looks a shade better than the others, and off it goes. Those guys are packers and shippers, not collectors or gunsmiths; what looks good looks good. But it is still a crapshoot.

NO ONE, believe me, NO ONE, goes through all 100 thousand rifles, checking all numbers and the finish on each part. NO ONE. No matter what the order says about "hand picked". And at the end of the day, as the racks get emptied, the "hand picking" is from a smaller and smaller number of rifles.

Many times, a rifle that looks good at first glance will be a messed up mixmaster or have serious defects. Generally if the customer complains the company will do a bit more careful selection and send a (hopefully) better one. But NO ONE will go through those 100 thousand rifles.

Jim
 
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