Enfield Scope mounts?

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Okiecruffler

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My son has been invited by his boss on a deer hunt this season, so it's up to me to come up with a rifle for him. They're going out to Western Okla, so there may be some moderately long range shooting involved (under 300yrds I'm sure). I was thinking something along the lines of a Savage 110 in '06 or 270 with the scope package, seem like good deals. But the boy has other ideas. He's been taking my Ishy to the range, has even started reloading for it, and has taken quite a shine to it. Now he wants his own #1 mkIII and he wants to put a scope on it using one of those ATI scope mounts. So i figure by the time we're finished it would have been cheaper to go with the Savage. Does anyone use one of these mounts? How steady are they? They say no gunsmithing required, but do you have to inlet the stock. I'm not big on whittling down an old stock. And how good of a deer cartridge do you think a 303 is? Everything I read shows at 300yrds it's pushing 30-30 100yrd velocity.
 
.303 is ballistically equivalent to .308, with similar bullet weights.


if you can find a number4mk1, scoping is much easier, as the reciever is flat sided, a scope mount can be made from a piece of angle aluminum or steel and a weaver rail.


if you're set on scoping a rifle, the no gunsmithing mounts are the worst possible way to go. you're going to have to drill and tap the rifle somewhere for the mount.
 
I don't know how the "no gunsmith" mount attaches on the No1 mk3, but I use one one a No4 mk1 and it works fine as long as you loktite the screws. My son got two deer with it last season.

I like the no-gunsmith mount because I'm funny about making permanent alterations to my old rifles. I can remove the scope mount, put the original rear sight back on, and it's all original again.
If your not concerned like I am, I agree with Andrew. A drill and tap permanant mount is the way to go.

Dave
 
We are definately a "no permant modifcation" family. I've used no drill mounts on mausers, mosins and my sks and was pretty happy with them. They just take a little more patience and alot more locktite. He's already said that if he had to drill he'd just stay with the irons. He can keep them on a paper plate at 200yrds which may be good enough and he has a few weeks yet to practice. Of course, we still have to find him one that shoots as well as mine does, or hopefully better.
 
I'd recommend the B-Sqaure mount over the ATI. I've used both and think the B-Square is much more solid. YMMV
 
Here is where age and memory probs come to the fore!!

My MkIV (sporterized .. and i like it!) ... has a mount on that clamps very nicely onto the stripper top rail and pivots on the pin that usually takes rear sight. Thing is .. did I get it from Gun Parts Corp or Brownells... yep gotta be Brownells.

Anyways it is good, simple and solid. Was pricey tho at about $70 .. worth it tho. Not sure if it shows a bit in this pic .....

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Okay, I like the looks of that one (not going to comment on what you did to that lovely old wood, to each their own I suppose. :confused: ) And 70 bucks ain't that much if it works. Still looking for a B-square to compare. All of my others were B-squares and they worked well.
 
The Enfield scope mount that most of the guys over on the Enfield forum swear by (and the one I use, too ;) ), is the CAD Technik mount. However, I think it is only for Enfield No. 4 and 5 rifles. Check out Brownell's website. They carry just about every type of mount for milsurp rifles. I agree with Andrew that a No. 4 would be better than the older model Enfield but disagree with him that the "no gunsmith" mounts aren't good. The CAD Technik is rock solid and I don't use Loctite. Easy to remove, too.
 
The CAD Technik mount is very good, but be aware many wartime recievers were not competely flush and can cant the sight slightly, requiring shims.

The Armalon mount is probably the best no-smith mount, but are difficult to find and expensive.

The ATI is workable, but takes Loctite and good fortune to withstand the recoil without loss of zero.
 
What distance are you likely to shoot from? If you're inside 200 yards, the ishy's iron sights may be fine for deer. Er, fine for hunting - bad for deer :)

Regards.
 
Spent most of last night looking at Brownell's. Lot's of nice choices, but mostly for No. 4 and 5's, which is okay I guess.But we may be heading in a different direction now. The boy has found a sporterized Swede that he's taken a fancy to. Says he may hunt with it as is this year and then try to put it back the way God intended it to be for next year. I'm going to take a look at it today to see how it checks out. Might still get me a mount for my Ishy just to play with for awhile.
 
Okiecruffler - outa interest ... decided to get my Ishy tapped for a mount ... just couldn't get on with these so called ''non-gunsmith'' mounts!! Mind you, with mil-surp .308 it is a bugger to get anything like an OK group!!

This mount works well .. and if i take it off the gun is original except for the four tapped holes. Sorry - pic a bit washed out ....

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I used an ATI no gunsmithing mount on a Jungle Carbine for several years. Lots of Lok tite and it worked fine.

I have killed a number of deer with the 303. It's all about bullet selection and shot placement, just like any other round. It's a fine cartidge for deer and I am perfectly comfortable with mine out to 300 yds.

That 6.5X55 is an excellent round. A good Swede is hard to beat.

Here's my hunting rifle.

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If you want to preserve the original wood (& save yourself a lot of work whittling), try one of the ATI synthetic gunstocks sold by Cheaper Than Dirt. Easy to install the receiver & barrel in it, and you can always restore it to wood later, if desired. Best of all is the price ($50-60).

I have a MKIII* that my granddad sporterized back in the '50's. Great deer gun. I'm going to put it in an ATI stock so I can keep the wood preserved for my grandkids.
 
Jaeger

Thanks for posting that pic. I had seen it once before and tho' I hate to admit it, it actually had me thinking the dreaded "S" word. What kind of mount is that you have on there?
 
I may have to actually break down and make me one of those. I actually prefer the scout mount to the traditional mount, and the idea of a scout rifle intrigues me. Just don't tell anybody, ok?
 
Hokie Smokes! That is a fine looking setup you have there Herr Jaeger! I want to know all the particulars of what you did to that thing, if you are willing to tell of course.

What model is that, and is that an aftermarket barrel? Where did you get the shorter magazine and what kind of stock is that?

Last, and most importantly, can that be done with a No1 MkIII?

Thanks
 
Me too!

I'd like to hear the particulars too, Jaeger. I have a No4 that was sporterized many years ago that would make a nice starting point for that sort of project!
 
You can read a little article about it here. Look for the article "Saving a Burnt Out Jungle Carbine".

It started life as an already sporterized #5 Mk1. It had been polished and blued (they did a nice job!) the barrel had been cut and the flash hider had been removed. It was already in a Ram Line stock and had a Bsquare scope mount and a cheap POS 4X20 Chinese scope. The barrel looked like a sewer pipe.

I have had visions of this rifle since I first bought my original Jungle Carbine from Springfield Sporters in about 1989 or 1990. I had been reading a lot of Cooper's writings on scout rifles and thought that the Enfield would be perfect for the job. I even made a drawing of the rifle I had envisioned! Originally I wanted a thumbhole sporter stock, just like one I had seen in a Crocodile Dundee movie, but I could never find one. (still can't!!) Anyway, I digress.......

I found this rifle sitting in a rack and I had to have it. I bought a new rear sight and a "new" 2 groove barrel from Springfield Sporters. (the barrel was all of $20! I should have bought 3.) I was a little hesitant about going with the 2 groove but it was all I could find and the price was right. After an almost year long nightmare with a local gunsmith I finally got in contact with Bo Wallace, the gunsmith for Ashley Outdoors. I told him what I had and what I wanted. He agreed to do the work and I was in business.

He installed the barrel and cut and crowned it at 19". He installed one of their scout mounts and a new front sight. I added a Leupold scout scope in Warne QD rings, a Galco Ching sling and a Galco 5 round butt cuff. (pictured with an Eagle butt pack above)

The rifle shot well but copper fouled very badly. I fire lapped it with a Wheeler kit and that helped considerably. The trigger is decent but still a little heavy for my tastes.

With Greek surplus ammo this little rifle usually shoots under an inch. I don't think I've shot anything that has gone over 1.5" at 100 yds.. It's a very accurate little carbine and is great on deer!

The 5 round mag pictured above is a Santa Fe after market magazine. I saw it in another sporterized Enfield at a gun show last year. I bought the whole thing for $90, kept the mag and resold the rifle with one of my spare 10 rounders to a friend of mine. I wouldn't know where to get more.

I love this rifle and there's not much I would change about it. A better trigger would be nice. It will get a new, better camo job at some point. That's about it.

I thought about doing one on an Ishapore so that I could have it in 308 but I wasn't willing to give up those great iron sights. I don't figure I'll be heading into battle any time soon so ammo availability wasn't an issue. Synthetic stocks and Ashley scout mounts are available for the Ishapores. I think Williams might be making a peep sight also. I think you could do this to an Ishapore without any trouble. Actually, a friend of mine ordered a Gibbs extreme Quest II and plans on setting it up like mine. I'm anxious to see how it turns out.
 
I went today and picked up my son's new swede, and wouldn't you know it, they had a couple of enfields that had already been sporterized, kinda. A no1, a no3, and a .308 Ishy, all for under $150. No foul in sporterizing one that's already been sporterized. Too bad I already have too many projects, but I might put some money down on one so it will be available when I get ready.
 
5-Rd Enfield Mags

I was just thumbing through the new Natchez Shooters Supplies catalog and was reminded of this post.

They have Pro-Mag 5-round magazines for Enfield No1's, No4's, and 2A's.

Any of you hunters out there with Sporterized Enfields may want to take a look into this.
 
Thx for the heads up on that No4 .. went to site ...

http://www.natchezss.com/

But couldn't find that .. maybe the site needs updated. Sounds good tho .... maybe, could you post a part/item # from your catalog ... then maybe a search on that might find it. Thx.

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OK .. did some diggin with thweir online catalog . and found the page .. here it is for anyone else ..

http://www.natchezss.com/ecat/231f.html
 
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