EOTWAWKI .22LR rifle

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I am looking for a .22 LR seup. The idea would be if TSHTF it would be used to walk the country roads at night to shoot varmit for food.

It would need to be folding to fit in a backpack.

It would need a short barrel (16".)

Would be possible to mount a light and a laser.

Best to be in stainless.


Is such a rifle possible to obtain/put together?

The other option would be a 8" -10" .22 LR pistol. Any thoughts on this ?
 
Either a Marlin Papoose or a Ruger 10/22 in a folding stock would be the easiest/accurate route. I am mildly obsessed with this type of rifle and have been meaning to do a shoot out of the Papoose, 10/22 folder, AR-7 and M6 Scout along with a standard semi auto and revolver.

For a true survival situation, lots of game could be taken at <30 yards which is well within pistol range. I am thinking squirrel, pigeon, raccoon, etc.
 
Just wondering why you want to put it in a backpack. Concealment?

I have a 6" stainless Ruger MKIII, that if taken care of minimally, will survive forever almost. All my .22 rifles are bolts though--not a fan of semi-auto rifles.

woof, I hope you are kidding.
 
If TSHTF anyone walking my country road at night "is" the varmint.
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I don't think so. Most of the sheeple will congregate in the big cities waiting on gvt handouts. Get away from the crowds out in the styx and IMO there will be little violence.

It is important that this rifle fold and fit in a backpack so I just look like I'm walking home.

I thought about a possible night vision scope but not sure how that would work, may be better to have a night vision spotting monocular then switch to the rifle with laser -light. I think you could literally pick up enough 'coons, passums and rabbits patrolling a few square miles to stay healthy for a while.
 
If everything goes to pot, I'd pick my Colt Woodsman.

Years ago, I designed a butt stock for it -- but the $200 fee is too high, so I never made it. Under the circumstances, I'd make and use the stock, and that would handle your breakdown requirement. And the gun itself could be carried in a holster.

Added: I believe you could legally use a butt stock if it were not attached to the gun, although I've never tried it.
 
Heck in a pinch, you could just catch armadilloes. When I was a kid, we used to catch them all the time and mess around with them. Dusk is best but I have seen them at all hours. Just the other day, I was out and almost picked one up just for old times sake.

I guess if you're up north it's not an option though.

Now I will wait for the obligatory thread or two regarding the leprosy myth.
 
I'm not kidding. If things really got that bad and you are out walking country roads at night, at least in my area, somebody is going to shoot you. If you want to go hunting for food, day or night, you had better do it away from the homes that will understandably be under heavy guard. Stop and think about the paramilitary types posting here about all their tactical gear. Do you really want to walk past that guy's house after the world has come undone?

And yes, "most" of the people will stay in the cities but the most ruthless and most desperate who have made no provisions for themselves will go in search of those who have in order to take it.
 
Just because the world came unglued, wouldn't be an excuse for me to not identify the threat.

Maybe in a zombie situation, but I don't know. I have never really thought deeply about the whole EOTWAWKI idea. No one really knows what it would be like. There are several possibilities but they are all conjecture.
 
I thought about a possible night vision scope but not sure how that would work, may be better to have a night vision spotting monocular then switch to the rifle with laser -light. I think you could literally pick up enough 'coons, passums and rabbits patrolling a few square miles to stay healthy for a while.
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This sounds a little "ninja-esque" for me, but if you've done enough research to justify spending the cash on NVG that would work with this setup, I'm curious as to why you're asking us for advice. That, and the "light and lazer" gimmicks that I've seen can be some serious junk that just attract attention.

It is important that this rifle fold and fit in a backpack so I just look like I'm walking home.
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Walking home from what? School? A Job? If it's a real SHTF type thing which you're asking about, and your point is to get away from people....what are you walking home from, and why would you be so concerned about what these other people (that you're some distance away from) think?

Just buy a good Single-Six, and practice practice practice at distance; if you absolutely, positively have to hide it, it's doable. As for the rifle option....possibly a Marlin 39A, since they can be "taken down" (not sure how good of an idea that is for a backpack, though), though it has a longer barrel--but they're accurate. Or, the Marlin 925 series seems to be accurate. Neither rifle is in stainless, but maintenance wouldn't seem to be too hard on a bolt-action .22.

Or, get a stainless 10/22, and slick it out with the latest and greatest plastic folder.
 
John828, The way I look at it is that in that scenario, anyone coming that close needs to identify himself as a non-threat or he should assume he will be regarded as a threat, especially at night. I expect no such situation and am not really prepared for it. But if it came I think those who take a "howdy stranger" approach will be among the first to go.

Keep in mind I am not talking about a hurricane and a power outtage. I'm talking about the end of the world as we know it. Like maybe 1/3 of the US population gone in the first few days and another third gone in a month.
 
I think you would need to get off the street and into the woods. Hopefully a patch of woods with a stream running through it. I think your chances of getting an animal are higher there.

Plus you need to learn to trap and read animal tracks and sign. I read someones story that lived in town but had traps set up in ally's and a couple of vacant fields. He said he caught all manner of animals from foxes to coons to the neighbors cats. I live right in the middle of town. You would not beleive how many rabbits I have in my yard. They are ruining the grass. I need to eliminate about 10 of them. Or more.

As far as a gun goes I am with the others that said get a 22 handgun for a low profile unarmed look. I personally would rather have a long barreled 22 and some of the quieter 22 ammo. A good bow and arrow setup would work wonders.

I have a Marlin 94 in 32 mag. I have some loads that use a 76gr bullet and 2.5grs of Titegroup that are almost silent. They shoot a little over 900fps and would be good for late night hunting without anyone knowing what you are up to. These are like CB22 quiet.
 
A good .22 pistol would be your best bet. Maybe a Marlin Papoose as someone else suggested.

And Woof is exactly right. Anyone walking the country roads at night, by themselves, toting a gun and shooting at things, after TSHTF, is not going to live to see daylight probably. I would not recommend it. Not in the neck of woods I frequent.

I hear gunshots, and see someone walking the road past my gate at night with a gun during a real TEOTWAWKI situation, I'm not thinking "aww, this poor city fella is hungry and out shooting his dinner". No, I'm thinking you are an immediate threat, and you don't want to be considered a threat out in the sticks in that kind of environment.
 
lonestar, the key is that he is walking past your gate, not through it. In my opinion, your shoot would not be righteous (not that there would be a DA who could charge you since the gubmint would not be functioning probably.)

Wouldn't that at least be a consideration? A guy walking down the road past your gate.

Maybe worthy of a warning shot, but not center of mass. I know a warning shot is a dangerous action for many reasons, but I just cannot see killing someone who you do not know has intent, opportunity and capability.
 
intent, opportunity and capability.
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Not that I ascribe to these things, but:

Intent: You have something he probably doesn't.
Oppertunity: TSHTF, no "law and order"
Capability: guy has a firearm.

Think about it.
 
I am thinking about, eightball. And I can understand where you are coming from. It is hard to imagine a situation I have never been in, so if it happens, I may think differently than I do now.

For now, I am living and let live as long as those around me do the same.
 
Along these same lines, where I live we already have people (spot lighting deer at night) shooting our way from the road.........Pisses me off highly, I posted a sign on our property that said, "If you shoot at me from the road, I will shoot back" the shooting deer out of the field in front of my house stopped.
 
John, You are crotchedy :). C'mon! This is the end of the world. The rules change. I guess it boils down to whether you want to trust that others will respect your rules of engagement. But everywhere will be "Indian Country." I know on my little stretch of back road we would all get together, blockade the road and keep sentrys out. Like a fort in the wilderness. And like the old forts, if you approach you better be conspicuous and unarmed with your hands up and saying the right things or you'll be shot.
 
Seems nuts to shoot someone on sight.

Verbal warning, warning shot, hell even keep your muzzle on him until out of sight. But shoot to kill just for walking down the road???

Intent: You have something he probably doesn't.
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What if he has something you don't? Shooting on sight makes you the BG in this scenario. Think about it.
 
A Ruger 10/22 with a Butler Creek folding stock sounds like it would work for what you want.

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And I believe there are several weaver rail mounts that will fit on the top of the receiver out there.

Or an AR-7 Survival Rifle is a good choice (and can be found in the $150-$200 range pretty easily) http://world.guns.ru/civil/civ007-e.htm

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Of course don't forget a wheelbarrow :neener:
 
I don't think the question is whether it would be right or wrong in TSHTF to shoot a guy walking by your house at night carrying a gun. The question is: how risky do you think it is being that guy? and would you do it?

In TEOTWAWKI, everyone who is left is either a predator, or potential prey feeling very defensive and twitchy.
 
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