Equal protection under the law and illegal immigrants

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Over the past several months several people here have mentioned the unbelievable consequences of our illegal immigration policy (?) that affects individuals. For example, someone mentioned that they got into a fender-bender with an illegal immigrant (immigrant rear-ended them) and the police would not charge the offender for lack of auto insurance because that would be an "undue burden" on the illegal immigrant. Thus, the legal citizen must pay for damages through their insurance. The illegal immigrant also had multiple illegal fake documents (fake driver's license, etc.) that the police would not arrest them for.

Doesn't this mean that U.S. citizens are subject to laws that illegal immigrants are not? This would violate the "equal protection under the law" litmus test, as well as the 14th Amendment, and other laws. Can we not sue the state for these violations? If segregated schooling violated the 14th, surely the illegal immigration issue would be in violation.
 
yeah that's cooked me for awhile

oh but it increases insurance rates.... that's the argument that has successfully let the government into our cars and onto our motorcycles? shouldn't it apply here? (seatbelts and helmets... oh my! thank you mommy government) I've heard that arguement ad-nauseum. but they won't do something about the illegals? aha! yet another double standard. :cuss:

And many a police officer in my area will tell you that this sort of thing is an epidemic but to be politically correct can't say it to the general public. Many of my officer friends will tell you they will almost have a heart attack if they find any around here with an actual license.

NOTE: In order to get equal protection sometimes we have to identify those that get unequal protection but with current political correctness how do we do that?
 
They were not granted this status by the "old nobility", you (society) accepted that there was an old nobility, and allowed them to rob you of your patrimony.

Sam
 
I've got news for ya, you're in the same boat I am. And the rest of us are.

The people who run America, for profit, want the illegals here. When we all face that and figure out what we have to do about it, it will change, not before.
 
Longeyes is the man. I dont put up with people complaining about illegals anymore- I tell them to shut up. They are here because our corrupt government has been bought off by the rich to let them be here. And if I grew up in a country where 1% percent of the population owns everything and the rest live in cardboard boxes I would want to come here to. Try and start a union or a new political party south of the border (to "redistribute" all that wealth) and you simply disappear in the middle of the night. Try and address the illegal immigrant problem in America and you disappear professionally and politically.
 
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We had an incident down in Indy a week or so ago that raises the same questions.

Illegal alien, with two previous convictions for DUI, runs a stop light and hits a vehicle exiting the zoo after a wedding. Killed two men and gravely injured a woman in that vehicle.

Makes me wonder just why his illegal status wasn't discovered and acted upon in the course of two previous investigations. The authorities seemed to be able to find it out quickly enough after he'd killed. If it was, why wasn't he arrested and deported, and exactly who in the ICE bureaucracy decided to let it slide?

As for whether or not he had the mandatory insurance coverage, or if anyone bothered to at least verify coverage info before reinstating his license (which is supposed to be SOP, at least for citizens) nobody is saying. Don't want to raise any more awkward questions for an already embattled BMV, no doubt.

Meanwhile, the jurisdictional Catch-22 responsible for the whole mess stays in-place. The Feds insist that immigration is their exclusive turf by statute, and that "locals" therefore have no business even asking. Seemingly, if the question of immigration status comes up anywhere outside of "X" feet of the border, where it wouldn't bolster those vital-to-careers performance statistics and action might drain the budget with extra travel vouchers, they don't want to even hear about it.

Local LEAs generally have no statutory authority to act, other that to pass the word along to the Feds, who seem to have no duty to do anything unless it damn well pleases them.

Folks, it's well past time to demand action and accountability from the ICE. Press your Senators and Congresscritters to take any and all steps necessary to end "catch-and-release" and make action by ICE mandatory when illegals are identified and reported by local LEAs.

Demand that the bureaucrats responsible for these policies be publicly identified, compelled to explain their reasoning, and booted from their spot at the trough.
 
Meanwhile, the jurisdictional Catch-22 responsible for the whole mess stays in-place.
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That "Catch-22" is mostly in your imagination and there is nothing anybody like you or me can do about this. If the president cant close the borders after we are attacked by terrorists because it would cut into profits you think anybody is going to do what is "right"?
Give me a break. This is about cheap labor and that is all it is about.
 
This is about cheap labor and that is all it is about.
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And cheap labor means nothing less than the death of the middle class and the transformation of American culture into something, excuse the expression, alien. The profiteering class--and, let me emphasize, I have been and remain pro-capitalist--doesn't care what the political, social, and cultural ramifications are, so long as their bottom-lines stay robust and they are permitted to do business as usual in Nueva America.

I've said before that we are seeing nothing less than the slow-motion swapping out of the old American population for a new populace that is not being asked to assimilate and feels no profound allegiance to America's roots and seminal values.

You can call this identity theft on a national scope--for that, and nothing less, is what we are seeing happening before our eyes. If we have any hope of arresting this we are going to have to act decisively, dramatically, and perhaps draconianly. Just my opinion.
 
And if I grew up in a country where 1% percent of the population owns everything and the rest live in cardboard boxes I would want to come here to.
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You do. They just let you have a little nicer cardboard box and play with your toys so you will behave.
 
You can call this identity theft on a national scope--for that, and nothing less, is what we are seeing happening before our eyes. If we have any hope of arresting this we are going to have to act decisively, dramatically, and perhaps draconianly.
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If that was a motion, please consider it seconded.
 
It was the golden opportunity- the moment of decision, and once it passed it was gone forever.

9-12 should have been the day the military began to move onto the border to seal it off, all the container ships were told every arriving container was going to be opened and inspected before the contents left the dock, the oil industry was put on notice that we would not be buying anymore oil from the Middle East and they better invest in solar energy, and lastly, anybody here better get their names on the list for citizenship in 24 hours or they would be deported.

I was ready to plant my victory garden and start riding a bicycle but the greedy bastards sold our future. I think we are screwed.
 
Illegal alien, with two previous convictions for DUI, runs a stop light and hits a vehicle exiting the zoo after a wedding. Killed two men and gravely injured a woman in that vehicle.
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I would think that the victims have the exact case I am proposing. They should sue the state for releasing a criminal that killed their relatives. Why does this not happen? People sue over everything else? :confused:
 
History Repeats Itself?

Maybe if our nation didn't bully it's way into Spanish & Mexican territories in the distant past and have our way with them, we wouldn't be having all of the problems relating to illegal immigrants bullying their way into our country and having their way with us today. :cool:
 
And maybe if the Azteca and Inca's werent bloodthirsty human sacrificing tryants the other peoples around them they oppressed would have fought the conquistadors instead of helping them. And maybe if the humans that originally arrived in the americas had not exterminated all the horses and other large animals they would have had the mobility and technology and population (like the mongols) to be conquerers instead of conquered. Maybe payback for being bullied is a little too simplistic an explanation...ya think?
 
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Easy fix.

#1 Seal the border, and I mean seal it effectively, a scared 18 year old with a rifle is a terrible thing to encounter in the dark, of course we would have to draft a few million of them.
#2 Do away with the welfare state it cuts the draw.
#3 Punish and I mean seriously punish the folks hiring the illegals, confiscate the assets from their estates and use it to finance #1

#4 Capture an deport all illegals, tatoo them across the forehead with a big IA in Orange.

#5 Enforce the Constitution as written.

#6 Declare war on an open and avowed enemy of the US that is currently invading the nation ie. Mexico
Remind them abou where that Halls of Montezuma thing in the Marine Hymn came from. When we are done, keep it. States 51-58. They won't have to leave to get to the US. The southern border of what is now Mexico is a lot shorter and easier to defend than the one we have now.

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Sam
 
Sam,

You've laid it out concisely, and upwards of two-thirds of American citizens probably concur.

Now how do we get a government that understands both survival and common sense?--I mean in time to stop a problem from being a terminal crisis.

It's abundantly clear that the higher-ups in our Republic aren't listening to the people and aren't planning to. I think this fall will underscore that as more than one give-away masquerading as rational policy surfaces under the sponsorship of the usual suspects.
 
#1 Seal the border, and I mean seal it effectively, a scared 18 year old with a rifle is a terrible thing to encounter in the dark, of course we would have to draft a few million of them.
#2 Do away with the welfare state it cuts the draw.
#3 Punish and I mean seriously punish the folks hiring the illegals, confiscate the assets from their estates and use it to finance #1

#4 Capture an deport all illegals, tatoo them across the forehead with a big IA in Orange.

#5 Enforce the Constitution as written.

#6 Declare war on an open and avowed enemy of the US that is currently invading the nation ie. Mexico
Remind them abou where that Halls of Montezuma thing in the Marine Hymn came from. When we are done, keep it. States 51-58. They won't have to leave to get to the US. The southern border of what is now Mexico is a lot shorter and easier to defend than the one we have now.
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I am in the one third that would not agree.

1. No draft- that is a really.....unintelligent idea. Trust me, we have plenty of gov'ment employees available to put on the borders.

2. Your "wefare state" is a myth; that money is spent mostly on retirees- go ahead and cut them off; also an unintelligent idea.

3. You are not going to confiscate anything while I am around.

4. You are not tatooing anybody you nazi.

5. I have had enough "enforcing" to last several lifetimes.

6. Declaring war mostly translates to "let's kill alot of innocent people."

Sealing the border with the military is a good idea. The rest of that rant is a disgrace.
 
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"Maybe if our nation didn't bully it's way into Spanish & Mexican territories in the distant past and have our way with them, we wouldn't be having all of the problems relating to illegal immigrants bullying their way into our country and having their way with us today."

Rabbit, I hate to say it, but that makes no sense whatsoever. You're assuming a causal relationship that doesn't exist, aside from implicitly stating that two wrongs make a right.

Reminds me of the joke about a Mexican guy complaining, "You gringos stole the best part of Mexico! You took the part with all the paved roads!"

Art
 
Pay attention Art, I did not write that; I quoted and commented on it as being simplistic. Dont you have anything to say about my last post? Or is that why you posted something meaningless right after it?
 
No biggie.

I think all of us are frustrated by the lack of meaningful action by those with the responsibilty as well as authority. Everything I read tells me that the local crimminal justice folks--city and county, mostly--are overwhelmed by the workload.

Recent court decisions, such as the one in the NE where the cops can't use the existing trespassing laws to try and cope with the problem of illegals, don't help matters.

In that sense, yeah, the US citizenry as a group has lost the civil right to live in peace and tranquility. Illegals have been put in the position of suffering no penalties for transgressions against our laws, as shown in the above-mentioned rear-ender traffic wreck.

When there are no penalties for misfeasance and malfeasance, there is no need to worry about any consequences--and TPTB know it. So do the illegals.

Art
 
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