Eric Holder's Ballistics Database?

[Blondie]

I am not trying to be dense here, but what is Eric Holder talking about here with respect to a ballistics database?

"Medina-Mora said one point still in negotiation is how to ensure prosecution of anyone violating guns laws, whether they are arrested in Mexico or the United States. In addition, he said, the two countries will create a shared ballistics database to track weapons used in crimes.

Holder said the U.S. is not seeking to change any of its gun laws as part of the effort to curb weapons smuggling.

'I don't think our Second Amendment will stand in the way of what we have begun," he said.'"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090402/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/border_security

Blonde

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

Wit the stipulation that it be only used to link specific weapons to specific shootings, I have no problem with it.

 

[Cannonball888]

Holder said the U.S. is not seeking to change any of its gun laws as part of the effort to curb weapons smuggling.

I'm all choked up. He says this after getting slammed by 65 House Dems.

 

[TexasRifleman]

Funny, the article still has

The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives recently reported that up to 95 percent of guns seized at scenes of drug violence in Mexico can be traced to U.S. commercial sources.

Which has been proven totally false.

Nice fact checking there Associated Press, everything I've come to expect from your "journalistic integrity".

 

[bigfatdave]

The people interviewed, and/or the reporter appear to get information regarding the practicality of ballistic identification of firearms from watching network crime-lab dramas. If firearms are moving from the US to Mexico, the crimes committed with those firearms are still illegal, and the act of smuggling is still illegal. Creating a database of useless information won't solve either problem.

Stopping the violence at the border can be accomplished by crime control, not by fighting "the war on drugs" or by "controlling the flow of weapons". This gets off-topic, but the reason drugs attract criminals is the illegality of the drugs, and the willingness of addicts to pay top dollar to feed their addiction. Not to say that pharmaceutical companies have an unblemished record as far as ethics go, but at least they are held somewhat accountable for their actions. If the "drug lords" are causing problems, remove their income and let them rot.

 

[runrabbitrun]

If the "drug lords" are causing problems, remove their income and let them rot.

Ditto to that.

It's a no brainier on how to curb this problem.

 

[Neverwinter]

The people interviewed, and/or the reporter appear to get information regarding the practicality of ballistic identification of firearms from watching network crime-lab dramas.

That kind of statement reduces my confidence in the public opinion of firearms policy and the treatment of firearms evidence in trials.

Wit the stipulation that it be only used to link specific weapons to specific shootings, I have no problem with it.

Can it be shown that the proposed database will be able to do this accurately and without being too expensive?

 

[crazy-mp]

Can it be shown that the proposed database will be able to do this accurately and without being too expensive?

Why would the new administration start worrying about money now?

In theory, if they did want to make a nationwide data base, how fun would that be, 238-270 million firearms in the United States, Um we need you to send us your name serial numbers and 2 spent cases from each firearm you own. Good luck with that one.

because I know someone will get mad if I don’t say where I came up with my numbers http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/942388/posts it seems like here lately if you cant back up what you say dont bother posting (even if it is an opinion someone starts griping about your source)

That was a quick search to get some idea, I really don’t have any idea how many guns Americans own.

 

[asknight]

Funny, the article still has

Quote:
The U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives recently reported that up to 95 percent of guns seized at scenes of drug violence in Mexico can be traced to U.S. commercial sources.
Which has been proven totally false.

Nice fact checking there Associated Press, everything I've come to expect from your "journalistic integrity".

The ATF had a field day when they noticed Colt M16s and M4s in the pile. When traced back to the "US Commercial Manufacturer" they learned that those were in a Mexican Govt order for their military and then suddenly they changed their tune to X number of them are not traceable. They did an excellent job hiding the fact that the US civilian can't even buy a new Colt M16 or M4.

I'm not going to deny that a few weapons make it across the border south, but there is no way enough of them got down there for the drug lords to wage a war of this scale. Nor did any of the drug lords "preferred weapons" come from the US gunshow or retail circuit (grenades, RPGs, full auto AKs and M16s).

Their crap came from their own Mexi military, and from their rebel contacts across their southern border. They have the money to buy brand new AKs, RPGs, etc from Russia just like Hugo Chavez... and they did so.

The lying Democrats are "not going to lose an opportunity during this crisis" on the border and will try to force unconstitutional gun control down our throats by pulling another curtain over the eyes of the people in the US.

 

[Kind of Blued]

When I hear "ballistic database" I think bullet grains and MVPS. Maybe then politicians would accidently figure out that the AK-47 isn't really an extremely powerful, uber-armor-piercing deathray, rather, weaker than practically every deer rifle ever made.

 

[shdwfx]

Get rid of our Dependency on Foreign Drugs (end the drug war, kill the Mexican cartel's income) and this problem goes away.

But that makes too much sense.

 

[crazy-mp]

Get rid of our Dependency on Foreign Drugs

Grow our own?

We are a nation of buyers not producers, I guess that would be a selling point, made in America, for America.

I know, I will be in that over $250,000 tax bracket

 

[Mr. T]

Eric Holder and Gun Control

I think that the Mexican Crisis is going to be going by the wayside. The government has a whole new "Crisis" to manage our 2nd Amendment Rights with the recent stampede of public shootings in this country, like the JACK A$$ who shot 13 people today in New York State. Gentlemen regardless of the Mexican Cartel violence on the border, these idiots in our government are going to keep coming and keep trying to take away our RKBA. We will have to all be vigilant in fighting them at every turn in the road. It makes a difference when WE ALL stand together and WE ALL call our Representatives and Senators and tell them how much we disapprove of their attempts to take away our RKBA. I am not diminishing the threat on the border, but I believe that the bigger threat is in our own government.

"I say Peace through Superior Firepower"