Estonia destroys Makarov and Tokerev pistols

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  1. Sven

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    :eek: :barf: :mad: :cuss: :banghead: :(
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    I did'nt see any maks there, maybe at the bottom :confused: Well anywho maybe those were bad guns and the steel needed to be purified, to make better ones. :evil:
    Na, they will make shackles from it :(
     
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    Pelosi, Schumer, Kennedy, Kerry, etc., etc. would have a group orgasm at photos like those.

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    It happened more than 6 months ago and I posted it in June.
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    There were 4500 TT-s and 1000 Maks, mostly NIB-s, in factory package, seized from criminals in single raid.

    And also 500 Colt M1911A1-s, that were "non-standard and technology of yesterday".

    They were destroyed as a requirement from HK, as a part of the deal to use 9mm USP as standard issue sidearm. You see, those destroyed guns were in reserve, meant to be passed out in the case of armed conflict, but HK didn't like it - there must be only one gun system.
     
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    Medusa, thanks, there's always more than one part to a story.
     
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    Was that gunk on the Tokarevs cosmoline?

    Ewww.


    What a waste of perfectly good firearms, they could have just sent me a crate, to 'dispose' of.
     
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    Kinda reminds me of the so-called "Flame of Peace" in Rio De Janeiro a couple years ago. The antis have been pushing for a complete gun ban there for quite some time, but the voting populace just won't have it. Something like 75% of the population keeps voting "No" to the ban. Anyways, the flame of peace; the government destroyed about 5,500 firearms with a steamroller :uhoh:
     
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    Rio De Janeiro? :what:

    Do they really think that they can rid that place of weapons? You have gotta be kidding me, that place is wild.

    The law-abiding people who live there have a need for personal defense weapons, the gangs are pretty hardcore.
     
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    HK is now on my black list. Again. :fire:
     
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    HK makes good guns. It was a shame that those destroyed guns were in reserve and mainly for my organization, KL, but the new USPs go to regular army units, so we get nothing - no new USPs, no old TT/Mak/Colts. :cuss:
     
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    The Tok's in that pile look better than ninety percent of the one's I have seen put up for sale. What a shame...
     
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    HK has been on my no buy list ever since that horrible day!!
     
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    Had no idea on the part of HK - I won't be buying anything from them, that's for sure.

    Sigh... 1000 Maks destroyed while I'd give my left arm to find one here in the PRK. Last (and only) one I've seen belonged to a dealer wanting $275... :fire:
     
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    So, HK makes them destroy the old colt 1911s, Tokarevs, and Makarovs, yet don't give you any USP's to use?
    HK's now on my Blacklist twice! :cuss:
     
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    So, a deal's a deal and Estonia has to honor the contract, but why not sell the surplus pistols to a US importer for cold, hard US currency?:confused:
     
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    Now, unfortunately that Estonia is in the American orbit, we force them to buy western weapons so they can become candidate members of NATO. There is no reason in the world why Estonia has to buy a whole bunch of modern, high-tech weaponry, I am sure they could have spent the money on better things.
     
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    I could have gone all year without seeing those pictures. Now I am saddened.

    Just think, there were enough in those crates to give one to every active member of THR.
     
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    Destroying Guns

    The only guns a government can destroy are the ones owned by the law-abiding. The criminals keep theirs.
     
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    HK specifically required "destroy". Since we are a NATO member old soviet guns are phased out (Makarov, TT, AK-47, SVD) and NATO standard calibres are put in use, thats why the USP.

    I can use the 9mm USP, if I buy one (1200 USD or more). :cuss:

    6000 guns, say at least $100 a piece, that would have made a lot of money. And since the russian guns were mostly unused, in mint condition, these would have been going like hotcakes.

    Yes the criminals can keep their SMG-s (PPŠ), AK-74SUs, silenced Maks and illegal TTs, RPGs, high-explosives and so on. At least those 6000 guns were eliminated from legal market, from the reach of law-abiding citizens. Anti-gunners should be happy.
     
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    A lot of money indeed, so why not cut HundK into the action? Contracts can also be modified, heck I do it everyday.

    Why wouldn't HundK want the money???:confused:
     
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    WOW! Just WOW! HK should have played it smart and told them to unload those on the US market and use the money toward the purchase. We'd snap 'em up like hotcakes. 6 million dollars (6,000 of the old guns times just $100 a piece) equals a LOT of USP's.

    Think, those Maks looked mint, should fetch at LEAST $150 on the civilian market, could probably unload them on distributors for your $100 a piece, same with the Toks.

    Talk about bad fiscal policy! The military should just sell off the surplus and old stuff to the civilian market. Civilians are happy to collect up part of military history, the government would be more than happy to make some money on products they no longer have a use for, everyone walks away happy!
     
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    Come to think of it, selling off surplus hardware could make up the cost of those, so military could actually cut some profit. But that would be a bad thing... I could say that one could ask $200 for mint TT or Mak (real russians, no copies). that would make 1.2 million bucks. And since the USP for military costs couple of hundred bucks a piece, this would have covered those USPs plus those couple of million 9mm rounds....

    Go figure.
     
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    6000 x 100 = $600,000
     
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    Whoops. My bad, didn't calculate up front. Anyway, 600,000 or 1,200,000 USD is a LOT of money, many guns can be bought for this.
     
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