Ever done your own torture testing???
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Beetle Bailey
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Don't have the heart to do something like that to a gun that I like, and wouldn't buy a gun that I don't like 
. Maybe I can get a buddy to do it to his Glock 
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. Maybe I can get a buddy to do it to his Glock .Lone_Gunman
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I think the gun writers get their guns for free.
I am not going to drag my 1911 behind a pick up truck just to see what would happen.
I am not going to drag my 1911 behind a pick up truck just to see what would happen.
berettaman
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It's not a real torture test but it gets the message across.When the Beretta haters get too thick and boistrous I put on a little challange.I'll drop a full mag from the gun and let it hit the dirt and grass.When I bend over to pick it up I'll drop my Beretta(empty at slide lock of course)into the dirt and grass too.I coyly say "Oh My" look what I've done.As I pick it up I make sure that there's some extra dirt in my hand and make it a point to let it sift into the action.After glancing thru the barrel for obstructions,I pick up the mag,insert,and drop the slide.I then empty the mag down range.Then I ask if anyone's got a gun that can do that.
Only ever had one taker,unfortunatly his was a Beretta too.Same result.100% reliability.
Afterwards I do a good basic cleaning for all parts.
Only ever had one taker,unfortunatly his was a Beretta too.Same result.100% reliability.
Afterwards I do a good basic cleaning for all parts.
I don't think the reluctance of most shooters to subject their $1500 pistols to dirt tests is because they lack confidence in their guns.
I have done some of those tests with GI .45's, with the same results; they functioned perfectly. I think most military pistols were subjected to "dust and rust" tests prior to adoption and came off pretty well. I know the M1911, BHP, P.38, and Glock were, and even the Luger, not generally considered a pistol to be tossed in the sand box, passed dust and sand tests by both the German and U.S. armies.
Just dropping the pistol is not much of a test. One of the military tests is to submerge the loaded pistol in sand, take it out and shake the sand off plus wiping sand off the outside. The gun then must fire the chambered round plus the entire magazine.
The problem with those kind of tests, and the reason few folks want to run them with their own guns, is that sand and dirt in the action is very hard on the receiver and slide rails, plus the barrel fitting. And, if there is dirt in the barrel when the gun is fired, the rifling is subject to damage.
I only once had a real problem with a .45 M1911A1, and that was after maneuvers. My company commander never paid any attention to his pistol, since he knew he would never need it. After riding around in a jeep in the mud, rain, dust and sand of Louisiana for two months, he took off his pistol belt and turned it in, telling me to clean it. I soaked that gun first in hot water, then in gasoline and varsol, and even then had to hammer it open. I have never seen any pistol more firmly fouled up. I doubt any Beretta or any other pistol ever made would have been functional under those conditions.
Jim
I have done some of those tests with GI .45's, with the same results; they functioned perfectly. I think most military pistols were subjected to "dust and rust" tests prior to adoption and came off pretty well. I know the M1911, BHP, P.38, and Glock were, and even the Luger, not generally considered a pistol to be tossed in the sand box, passed dust and sand tests by both the German and U.S. armies.
Just dropping the pistol is not much of a test. One of the military tests is to submerge the loaded pistol in sand, take it out and shake the sand off plus wiping sand off the outside. The gun then must fire the chambered round plus the entire magazine.
The problem with those kind of tests, and the reason few folks want to run them with their own guns, is that sand and dirt in the action is very hard on the receiver and slide rails, plus the barrel fitting. And, if there is dirt in the barrel when the gun is fired, the rifling is subject to damage.
I only once had a real problem with a .45 M1911A1, and that was after maneuvers. My company commander never paid any attention to his pistol, since he knew he would never need it. After riding around in a jeep in the mud, rain, dust and sand of Louisiana for two months, he took off his pistol belt and turned it in, telling me to clean it. I soaked that gun first in hot water, then in gasoline and varsol, and even then had to hammer it open. I have never seen any pistol more firmly fouled up. I doubt any Beretta or any other pistol ever made would have been functional under those conditions.
Jim
WhoKnowsWho
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No, I let other people do it, like that guy on the 1911 forums who is running his SA Mil Spec through an insane number of rounds without cleaning!
No, nothing as severe as that.
I have taken a number of my guns and fired them until I got a malfunction. Not all at once. I just shot them as I would normally shoot them and then did not clean them. Next time I went shooting I would take the same gun and not clean it until I started getting malfunctions. I have also done the same and put a couple drops of oil on it and kept going.
Not really a torture test either, but last year I took a carbine class in the desert. We had high winds the whole four days with clouds of dirt blowing around and more than a couple dust devils. We did a lot of timed drills from various positions. Every time I touched my weapon my hands were covered with sand. When we went prone we basically flopped down on our stomachs because the drills were timed. A cloud of dust would errupt to the point that you had to wait a second for it to clear so you could see the target, plus your hands were covered with sand. And, I used Wolf ammo throughout the course. The reason I even consider this a minor torture test is that by the end of day #1 the outside of my weapon was completely covered in dirt and was brown. Every day my cloths were brown with dirt. I did clean the bolt and bore on the first and second night and added lube daily, but I am sure a lot of that sand and dust got inside the weapon throughout the day and all good internet commandos know that an AR15 won't run on Wolf ammo.
Surprise, 800 rounds and no malfunctions.
I have taken a number of my guns and fired them until I got a malfunction. Not all at once. I just shot them as I would normally shoot them and then did not clean them. Next time I went shooting I would take the same gun and not clean it until I started getting malfunctions. I have also done the same and put a couple drops of oil on it and kept going.
Not really a torture test either, but last year I took a carbine class in the desert. We had high winds the whole four days with clouds of dirt blowing around and more than a couple dust devils. We did a lot of timed drills from various positions. Every time I touched my weapon my hands were covered with sand. When we went prone we basically flopped down on our stomachs because the drills were timed. A cloud of dust would errupt to the point that you had to wait a second for it to clear so you could see the target, plus your hands were covered with sand. And, I used Wolf ammo throughout the course. The reason I even consider this a minor torture test is that by the end of day #1 the outside of my weapon was completely covered in dirt and was brown. Every day my cloths were brown with dirt. I did clean the bolt and bore on the first and second night and added lube daily, but I am sure a lot of that sand and dust got inside the weapon throughout the day and all good internet commandos know that an AR15 won't run on Wolf ammo.
Surprise, 800 rounds and no malfunctions.
Nightcrawler
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I put a bit of dirt into the open slide of my CZ-97B once, making sure it got in the mag. (Not blocking the barrel, mind you.)
I did get one failure to feed, but sand in a magazine will do that. Cleaned it out with gunscrubber, and the pistolw as good as new. Still runs like a champ 1000 rounds later.
Some dude at CZ Forums said I was insane and that the pistol would never be as accurate or reliable again. I guess his CZs are made out of copper, or something equally soft. Perhaps clay? *shrug*
I have in mind a "battlefield service" test for a weapon.
What you do is set up two targets, side-by-side, fifty meters apart or so. You low-crawl along the firing line, which would be set up with sand, mud, water, you name it; the same things a soldier is expected to crawl through. You crawl to one end, fire a magazine, and reload. Then you crawl to the other end, fire a magazine, and reload. Repeat until your load of magazines is expended.
Obviously, not for everybody, but probably a colorful way to test your weapon, your load bearing gear, and yourself all at once. No, I haven't done it, for lack of a the proper facilities. I think it'd be fun (on a nice day).
I did get one failure to feed, but sand in a magazine will do that. Cleaned it out with gunscrubber, and the pistolw as good as new. Still runs like a champ 1000 rounds later.
Some dude at CZ Forums said I was insane and that the pistol would never be as accurate or reliable again. I guess his CZs are made out of copper, or something equally soft. Perhaps clay? *shrug*
I have in mind a "battlefield service" test for a weapon.
What you do is set up two targets, side-by-side, fifty meters apart or so. You low-crawl along the firing line, which would be set up with sand, mud, water, you name it; the same things a soldier is expected to crawl through. You crawl to one end, fire a magazine, and reload. Then you crawl to the other end, fire a magazine, and reload. Repeat until your load of magazines is expended.
Obviously, not for everybody, but probably a colorful way to test your weapon, your load bearing gear, and yourself all at once. No, I haven't done it, for lack of a the proper facilities. I think it'd be fun (on a nice day).
goalie
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I have put almost 15,000 rounds through my Glock 17 without a hitch, including going 1,250 rounds in one day without cleaning. Does that count?
stans
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I tried torture testing my Ruger Government Target MK II. It only made it through 300 rounds before my hands and arms got tired of loading magazines and shooting and I quit.
caz223
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When I get a new auto, I make a point of not cleaning it until it malfs.
The only weapons I had that didn't malf (because I just couldn't let the gun get any worse) were my G20, my H&K USP, and my SIG 228.
I respect SIGs, Glocks, and H&Ks for that reason.
The three I had went thousands and thousands of rounds of dirty ammo without even so much as a hiccup.
I locked up my razorback in less than 600 rounds to the point where it had to be sent back to Dan Wesson, for them to fix it....
My CZ75b went almost 1000 rounds, and it stovepiped in the middle of a steel plate shoot. Jammed every round after that, until I cleaned it.
I bought my S&W 5904 in such a horrible state of dirtyness, that I cleaned it, even though it didn't malf, because I thought it was affecting accuracy.
Turns out, it was just an inaccurate gun, in the first place.
Reliable, though.
The only weapons I had that didn't malf (because I just couldn't let the gun get any worse) were my G20, my H&K USP, and my SIG 228.
I respect SIGs, Glocks, and H&Ks for that reason.
The three I had went thousands and thousands of rounds of dirty ammo without even so much as a hiccup.
I locked up my razorback in less than 600 rounds to the point where it had to be sent back to Dan Wesson, for them to fix it....
My CZ75b went almost 1000 rounds, and it stovepiped in the middle of a steel plate shoot. Jammed every round after that, until I cleaned it.
I bought my S&W 5904 in such a horrible state of dirtyness, that I cleaned it, even though it didn't malf, because I thought it was affecting accuracy.
Turns out, it was just an inaccurate gun, in the first place.
Reliable, though.
Lone_Gunman
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I soaked my Beretta in battery acid for a month, then stuck it in a bucket of wet concrete, then chipped it out of the concrete with a pick axe, had it run over with a locomotive, then swallowed by a great fish. When I got it out of the fish it shot just as well as it did the first day I got it.
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fear test
First thing I do with a new gun, I piss on it for a week. Then , if it works, I know that no matter how scared I ever get, the gun will work.
First thing I do with a new gun, I piss on it for a week. Then , if it works, I know that no matter how scared I ever get, the gun will work.
VaughnT
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True story, I took the company's S&W 686 and carried it every day for a long time. Exposed to all kinds of weather, not to mention lint, I fired approximately five-thousand rounds through it in six months without one single cleaning, except to wipe off the sights. Absolutely no failures of any kind, through the stainless steel was almost black with fouling from the super-dirty reloads the company issues for practice. I absolutely love this make and model, and you can bet that one is coming to my home soon.
Colt 1991: I'm bad about cleaning, in general. My current duty pistol is a modified 1991 that gets carried in the rain and snow and blistering heat. I'll shoot IDPA and IPSC with it, and not hesitate to carry it on the job. So far, there are about three-thousand rounds through it since it came back from the smith and I've only cleaned it a few times. I clean it more because I'm supposed to than because it needs it. It hasn't malfunctioned at any of my range sessions.
Will I be freezing my pistols in a block of ice any time soon? Just as soon as someone shows me what that's supposed to prove.
Colt 1991: I'm bad about cleaning, in general. My current duty pistol is a modified 1991 that gets carried in the rain and snow and blistering heat. I'll shoot IDPA and IPSC with it, and not hesitate to carry it on the job. So far, there are about three-thousand rounds through it since it came back from the smith and I've only cleaned it a few times. I clean it more because I'm supposed to than because it needs it. It hasn't malfunctioned at any of my range sessions.
Will I be freezing my pistols in a block of ice any time soon? Just as soon as someone shows me what that's supposed to prove.
I haven't torture tested on purpose. I did return home one night to discover a couple of burglars in my house. I lived in a rural setting. I inadvertantly captured their car by parking behind it in my driveway. As I was backing up to get the hell out of there, they were in the process of kicking out my kitchen window to make their escape. I drove down the road and parked behind the neighbors barn. A short time later one of the bad guys came back to retrieve the car. I followed the car at a distance down the highway for about 15 miles and the guy was dumb enough to actually drive home.
When the cops showed up I did an inventory and I discovered a loaded four inch model 19 was missing. That little revelation generated a good amount of radio traffic. The bad guys were captured but the gun was never recovered. The burglary took place in mid December and there was a couple of feet of snow on the ground. I found the gun in the horse pasture the following June. The side of the revolver that was laying on the ground was a mess. I checked the bore for obstructions, then I cranked off all six rounds without a hitch.
When the cops showed up I did an inventory and I discovered a loaded four inch model 19 was missing. That little revelation generated a good amount of radio traffic. The bad guys were captured but the gun was never recovered. The burglary took place in mid December and there was a couple of feet of snow on the ground. I found the gun in the horse pasture the following June. The side of the revolver that was laying on the ground was a mess. I checked the bore for obstructions, then I cranked off all six rounds without a hitch.
Car Knocker
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Only torture test I ever performed was to fire 500 rounds through one of those "malfunction-prone" 3"-inch 1911s over a period of about a month. They were reloads using the old Unique powder and lead 200gr SWC. Not a single bobble noted.
sm
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Yep.
Have done the "Vickers Sand Test" on a 1911 style...yep the gun run.
Some tests were not scheduled...like falling into mud with 1911 style, gun worked. I did schedule a mud test on purpose with a 1911 style...just dumped a bucket of mud atop a C&L as let sit. Dropped mag and racked the slide a few times - gun submerged in a bucket of water, shake, insert mag and fired. Kept shooting until the other 5 mags were empty. Have taken new 1911 styles and without taking apart ,removing factory lube shot 1k rds with no problems. Shot 1911 styles extended rd counts without cleaning. Some as much as 2500 rds only oil every 500 rds or so.
Subjected a Keltec P-11 to same as above, and the gun runs also. These guns still do and serve as CCW btw.
Curious and had to know, 1911 style will run, that is comforting.
Have done the "Vickers Sand Test" on a 1911 style...yep the gun run.
Some tests were not scheduled...like falling into mud with 1911 style, gun worked. I did schedule a mud test on purpose with a 1911 style...just dumped a bucket of mud atop a C&L as let sit. Dropped mag and racked the slide a few times - gun submerged in a bucket of water, shake, insert mag and fired. Kept shooting until the other 5 mags were empty. Have taken new 1911 styles and without taking apart ,removing factory lube shot 1k rds with no problems. Shot 1911 styles extended rd counts without cleaning. Some as much as 2500 rds only oil every 500 rds or so.
Subjected a Keltec P-11 to same as above, and the gun runs also. These guns still do and serve as CCW btw.
Curious and had to know, 1911 style will run, that is comforting.
I rapid fired about 500 rounds from my argentine sistema a very short time period.
We had an assembly line of 11 mixed types of magazines, ammo ranging from 200 grain LSWC, 230 grain LRN, 180 grain JHP's, laquer sealed military ball from 1943, and some steel cased military ammo.
As the guys loaded mags I fired as fast as my trigger finger would go always counting so I always left one in the chamber before a mag change.
The gun was hot, and really dirty but did not fail once.
We had an assembly line of 11 mixed types of magazines, ammo ranging from 200 grain LSWC, 230 grain LRN, 180 grain JHP's, laquer sealed military ball from 1943, and some steel cased military ammo.
As the guys loaded mags I fired as fast as my trigger finger would go always counting so I always left one in the chamber before a mag change.
The gun was hot, and really dirty but did not fail once.
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I shot a Glock 23 once and HATED IT...but since I rented it I finished the box of rounds....does that count as tourture?
Torture testing sounds like a good way to screw up or wear out your gun before you actually need it.
They are cool though
I heard one claim of freezing scopes in bocks of ice and then as soon as they were fully thawed and sitting in ice water submerging them in warm water and looking for bubbles or fog.
They are cool though
I heard one claim of freezing scopes in bocks of ice and then as soon as they were fully thawed and sitting in ice water submerging them in warm water and looking for bubbles or fog.
Not a true torture test, but every winter when it gets below zero, I make a point of shooting my handguns. I let them and the ammo sit at the bench and get very cold while I sip coffee in the van, then go up and blast away. The only failures I've ever had since switching to lithium grease was with a S&W model 10-7 .38- it would not turn. Go figure.
Nightcrawler
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In extreme cold weather, it's important to choose lubricants that don't freeze.
Can anybody recommend a good sub-zero lube? I don't think regular CLP would be best for my FAL in the winter.
Can anybody recommend a good sub-zero lube? I don't think regular CLP would be best for my FAL in the winter.
fix
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I expect all my guns to reliably discharge a complete load (magazine, tube, clip, cylinder, etc) as fast as I can pull the trigger without malfunction and usually test this regularly. That's as far as I go, but I'll gladly go farther with someone else's guns if they volunteer for it.
Nightcrawler: Lithium grease, synthetic motor oil, FP10 are good cold weather lubes. I use lithium myself, it stays consistant down to -50 degrees. I've used it on all my auto pistols for about three years now. When I let my pistols sit on the bench for twenty minutes or so at 10 below zero (and the ammo), that's about as cold as a pistol will get. Mine all function flawlessly (P226/G-20/HK USP).
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