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ever get flamed for carrying a revolver?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by docmagnum357, Jul 25, 2008.

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  1. docmagnum357

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    I recently found another internet site that talks a lot about guns. It seems that there is only one bright and shining path over there to bliss when it comes to a carry gun. And it is not an "N" frame smith. or even a k frame. Apparently, they believe in shooting without aiming, and running around shooting at people while they are running from them and trying to get away from them or trying to attack someone else or something. I am not real sure what is going on over there, but I am sure I don't get it, and I am sure that they are sure that I don't get it.

    Statistically, there a less than three shots exchanged in a gunfight. I dare not bring that up over there, but it is a fact. Statistics on where someone was hit, and how fast they went down are not available to civillians like us, but if they were, I am sure they would bear out that accuracy, particularly with the first shot or two, generally carries the day. Power is a distant, but important second. Capacity just doesn't concern me that much. I know that if I was hit, particularly with a powerful gun, I would get out of Dodge, if I could. While it might or might not be ethical to shoot someone in the back while they are running away, I am sure it would be legally questionable, even in an enlightened place like west Texas. Here in North Carolina, The law says that force must not be greater than nessesary to stop a deadly assault. In other words, don't shoot them in the back. If someone will stand and take five 44 magnums, or even 357 magnums, I am likely to use number six on myself.

    I find revolvers easier to draw, easier to get a first hit with, easier to point shoot, more accurate, and safer for most people. I wonder if there are statistics showing how many officers or concealed carry permit holders were actually killed with an empty gun in their hand? And if they were killed while reloading, how many of their first five or six rounds found the mark at all, much less the vitals? I am really serious here, not just trying to start another Ford Versus Chevy revolver auto thing. I am sure someone keeps up with such things. Also, accidents. Are revolvers really safer? I think so, but I would really like facts to prove or disprove what I feel.

    There are a lot of things that i like about the GLOCK 23 I bought to teach concealed carry classes with. It is indestructable. It has a finish that is virtually indestructable. There are accesories everywhere for it. The 40 Smith and wesson is not my first, choice for self defense, but you could do a whole lot worse. It has never jammed after over a thousand rounds. But I just don't like it. For me, the grip angle and size are all wrong. I can carry a longer barreled revolver easier in a pancake holster, which is the most concealable rig I know of. An as far as picking the thing up and shooting it, I can't hit a watermelon at twenty five yards. It's not the gun. the gun shoots as well as any other service type pistol, between three and four inches at twenty five yards. I just cant shoot it that well.

    I have three different "K" frame Smith and Wessons. Each has a different barrel length or profile, and different grips. Each one shoots differently. My model 19 shoots very poorly in my hands, although it is very sound mechanicly. It has a set of Pachmeyer grips, And they don't work for me. My model 15 has Houge grips, and it shoots like a brain directed death ray. All I have to do is think, and it hits. My model 14 has bullseye grips, a barrel rib, and special sights. It is single action only, and it will cut the center out of any target That I have shot it at so far. I believe that rabbits sometimes die of fright if they hear me open the case it rests in. Each gun is different, but the same. When i put houges on the model 19, it becomes even more of what the 15 is, instant death to whatever I POINT it at.

    I have Houge grips on my 629. It came that way, And heaven is heaven, why change it? I was a little concerned that someone might see me carrying at church,because the soft rubber that the houges are made from snagged on my coat, holding it up. It didn't look like I was carrying a gun, but it sure was obvious that there was something on my belt. So I got a set of beautiful burl walnut grips that were more combat type grips. My finger hit the trigger higher up, and I couldn't hit a pumpkin a 25 yards with one hand. Two handed double action was pretty dismal, too. I changed back after one day at the range. I wish I could do that with a GLOCK.

    I got flamed constantly because i believe that If a cartridge won't put down medium game like deer and bear, then i wouldn't trust my life to it. I just can't get it out of my head that if a cartridge doesn't impress a deer, then it sure won't impress a crack head. If anything we need more power for two legged varmints. A deer will run off, a thug might shoot back, if he is able. One fellow in particular kept saying over and over that hunting was nothing like combat shooting. Poor defenseless herbivores don't act like thugs when they get shot. I feel the same way! A deer will run if it can. A thug might stand and fight if he can! Which one needs more power? I certainly don't have a lot of fear about deer being shot to pieces and still coming after me, but I have heard story after story about dopers that keep on coming, after taking hits. I just feel that it is better to put a hole big enough to see daylight thru in them. Preferably three or four holes that big.

    I guess I just want some support for the choices that i have made reguarding a carry gun. I know that my reasoning is sound, but that doesn't mean that the next guy, who carries a Kel Tec, isn't just as right as me. Just not the best choice in my circumstances.
     
  2. pharmer

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    Nope. Joe
     
  3. MCgunner

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    I get flamed on the internet for all sorts of stupid things. I'm used to it. Look at my post count. I've been around. Hell, I've even been flamed for having a high post count! :D
     
  4. 357wheelgunner

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    Carry what you shoot well.

    A K-frame with a 4" barrel, loaded with 158gr LSWCHP+P .38 is, IMO, a fantastic carry gun and ammo combo. I can shoot it very well, so that's what I carry. In the winter, or in the woods, or on a road trip, I usually load up with 158gr Speer Gold Dot .357.

    My 4" K-frames point like a finger, and feel great in an IWB or OWB holster. You can't beat that.

    Tomorrow I'm shooting my new Sig P6, if all goes well I'll be packing that for a while to try a semi auto again.

    People should carry what they shoot well. As long as it's .38 or 9mm or better, you can't do much else but practice.
     
  5. W.E.G.

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    This guy just won't stop heckling me when I O/C my Model 10 in the old pancake holster.

    I've got ammo older than he is.

    Pay him no mind.

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    The anonymity granted by the internet forum environment leads a lot of people to speak out of turn and beyond their scope. In person, nobody has ever given me grief for my choice of carry. I think that the revolver is considered to be a bit more of an afficianados sidearm, as it is limited in ammo capacity. WIth my 642, I have only 5 rounds to take care of business- which means that aimed fire and familiarity with the weapon is critical. If cartridge effectiveness is critical, that is of obvious importance to you.

    Just like no set of golf clubs is going to allow me to play like Tiger Woods. No sidearm is going to turn an unskilled or undisciplined shooter into a master.
     
  8. Bushwhacker

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    Like some said before; Carry what you shoot best, and are comfortable with.


    Whats the name of the forum your talking about?

    send me a PM if you'd rather not say on a open forum.....
     
  9. machinisttx

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    Yep, the wonderniners and their dependence upon high capacity often causes them to ridicule those who can actually hit something they want to past 3-7 yards, and those who "limit" themselves by carrying a 5 or 6 shot wheelgun(and actually knowing how to use it).

    Stick to what you know and are familiar with---and pay those guys no attention.
     
  10. NCBeagle

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    Hey docmagnum357, I am just another revolver guy in NC. I don't feel under-gunned with a J-Frame S&W 442 or Colt Detective Special / Cobra even on the "mean streets" of Charlotte. Sure, on some days I'll carry a 3" 1911, maybe the Glock 19 or Walther PPS...but usually it is some version of a .38 / .357 revolver with one or two speed strips. I am quite proficient with these guns...and I just like them.

    Keep packing the wheel gun.

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  11. The Bushmaster

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    Well golly gee...And I carry a mod 19 2 1/2" in the winter...I absolutely do not feel under gunned. Both of the house guns are Mod 10's...The only semi-auto I carry is in the summer...
     
  12. Tom Servo

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    OK, stop right there. That's just crazy talk. ;)

    A few years back, I realized that the S&W K-Frame was the perfect gun for me. It's got a marvelous balance, shoots as well as a Sig P220 (a high compliment), and it handles a load with the word "Magnum" in its name.

    I've had plenty of people stare at it and go, "why do you carry a revolver? This is 2008!"

    Their objections usually fall into the following categories:
    • It only holds six (or worse, 5) rounds
    • It's "heavy"
    • The trigger pull is too long, or
    • It's out-dated.

    ...to which my responses are:
    • I know several people who've survived gunfights. None of them fired more than two rounds (one was with a .32, the other with a .22 Magnum). Ergo, shot placement is everything.
    • A K-Frame is really not noticeably heavier than a fully loaded wondernine or steel 1911
    • A DA trigger is just as accurate with practice. In fact, I've learned to like having that much control. It's like driving a stick.
    • The design is over a century old, and it's still in service for a reason.

    I've never had to worry about FTFs, stovepipes or finding ammo that "the gun likes." I have a wide variety of cheap ammunition to work with, and I can tailor my loads to fit whatever need may present itself.

    Of course, if I don't have time to explain all that, I just say, "well, the boss doesn't trust me with a real gun. But, he says if I'm real good, he'll let me carry it with bullets in it someday." Then I pick my nose until they go away. :)

    Plus, stainless steel holds up better in hot climates and requires much less maintenance, which is something to consider, since I shoot my carry gun several times a week, and I don't feel like cleaning it every time.

    Yeah, I know it's not "tactical (whatever that means)" and that it's not on the cover of all the gun magazines, but it works for me.
     
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    I don't often carry it, but it does ride as back up when I can wear a concealing garment. I have absolutely no doubt it is the most accurate revolver I have ever owned, and dead stone reliable.

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    I'd carry my SP101 any day of the week if I could. Just because it isn't as "awesome":rolleyes: as a Glock 19 or some-such, doesn't mean it won't get the job done. And at the end of the day isn't that what it's all about?
     
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    +1!

    I usually feel safe with a 642, but - somedays - I have it's big brother, a 296 (5-shot hammerless .44 Special AirLite Ti.). This is my Sunday pocket carry - made possible by that Robert Mika's pocket holster:

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    Of course, my range-mates are always telling me I am not 'prepared' for the 'fecal matter impacting the air movement device' scenario. I need more 'capacity', they insist. They generally tell me about their 2-5 mags they have that they keep loaded. I finally had enough - ordered 100 moonclips from Ranch Products ($29 delivered then.). Here is my 625JM atop a .223 ammo can with five separated layers of 21 loaded moonclips - 105 total in that one, albeit heavy, ammo box. I have 34 more moonclips throughout the house - that's 834 rounds loaded. Top that with mags!

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    Nicely said. Carry what you shoot best, and make sure it is reliable.

    Other than on the Internet, I can't recall ever taking crap from anyone about carrying a revolver. Probably because I was armed at the time :p .
     
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    Try starting a thread about carrying a Ladysmith and listen to the ridiculous comments challenging your masculinity because your revolver has the word "Lady" on it...

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    You spelled Hogue wrong. Other than that, you are right and they are wrong.

    I carry an SP101, and shoot it in IDPA Backup Gun matches with whatever practice ammo I find that somewhat approaches the power level of my carry ammo. Since a lot of guys shoot 9mm or .380 or .32 ACP in BUG matches, I often hear people behind me say things like, "Holy crap!!!" in a tone such that I interpret their meaning to be, "That is freakin' awesome."
     
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    If you go through life trying to impress and please other people, you are going to lead a sorry life.
     
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    I don't stay up late at night worrying about being flamed for my choices. When the mood strikes me I carry a 1911, P90, GP100 or an M&P9. Lately, I've been carrying a 442. Somehow, I can't see strapping into the M&P9 with a box of ammo in mags on the belt to go to the grocery store when I can stick the Airweight into my pocket.
     
  21. FerFAL

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    I dont get it why some people packing revolvers feel the need to ridicule those that carry autos.

    Carry whatever you want. But is it necessary to flame those that carry autos?

    I carry an auto as a main gun an a snubby for backup.
    Why auto as primary? For the same reason every army, and pretty much every police department and law enforcement agency and security detail use them.

    Heck, packing an auto doesn’t mean you can’t shoot, where does that come from?

    I’m not an instructor, but I’ve taught many people how to shoot, boys and girls alike. They ALL shoot better with autos, specially Glocks.:neener:

    FerFAL
     
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    Oh, yeah it is...

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    Nobody's saying that you can't shoot well with an auto. I know lots of folks who do. The OP was concerned with negative attitudes towards revolvers.

    That said, an automatic can be "easier" to shoot well with than a revolver in double-action. Lighter trigger and all. I've got nothing against them; autos make up more than half my pistols.

    But for me, the revolver is a worthy and rewarding option. FWIW, everyone I've taught on a revolver has been a better shooter for it. The revolver takes patience and concentration to do well, and it's not forgiving of shooter error to the extent that some automatics are.

    Drilling with a good wheelgun will teach proper sight alignment and trigger control, and even if the shooter chooses not to use one in the long run (which is less often than you'd think :)), they'll be darn good shots.
     
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    This thread reminds me of something funny that happened at my CCW class. We're on the firing line and there's lots of little 'pops' going off from the little .380's and 9 mm's. Down on the other side of the range a guy unlimbers a Thompson Contender. I don't know what caliber that Thompson was, but it would 'boooom', and then you would hear 'pop,pop,pop'. One of the girls sitting next to me, a newbie to guns, looked over at me--pointed to the Thompson and said 'Now that's a real gun'! :D

    What strikes me as funny is when somebody with an autoloader makes fun of somebody with a revolver---and then sets up and shoots at targets some 30 feet away! That's point blank range with my Colt .357! At the distance I often shoot at, they tell me I should just use a rifle, that a handgun wasn't designed for that.

    Nope, I've had to shoot animals that wanted to hurt me, and I want something absolutely reliable, deadly accurate and that makes really big holes!
     
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    I have been carrying my Model 66-1 2.5" more and more as primary and love it. I still like my M&P40c but the 66 just feels right in my hand.

    If people don't like it they can pound sand. :evil:
     
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    I used to have two identical S&W Model 19's, 6" blued. I really miss them. Bought each for $225, and sold 'em for around $200 each. Those days are long gone. When I sold the second one, there was another guy had it in his hands before I got out the door.
     
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