docmagnum357
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I recently found another internet site that talks a lot about guns. It seems that there is only one bright and shining path over there to bliss when it comes to a carry gun. And it is not an "N" frame smith. or even a k frame. Apparently, they believe in shooting without aiming, and running around shooting at people while they are running from them and trying to get away from them or trying to attack someone else or something. I am not real sure what is going on over there, but I am sure I don't get it, and I am sure that they are sure that I don't get it.
Statistically, there a less than three shots exchanged in a gunfight. I dare not bring that up over there, but it is a fact. Statistics on where someone was hit, and how fast they went down are not available to civillians like us, but if they were, I am sure they would bear out that accuracy, particularly with the first shot or two, generally carries the day. Power is a distant, but important second. Capacity just doesn't concern me that much. I know that if I was hit, particularly with a powerful gun, I would get out of Dodge, if I could. While it might or might not be ethical to shoot someone in the back while they are running away, I am sure it would be legally questionable, even in an enlightened place like west Texas. Here in North Carolina, The law says that force must not be greater than nessesary to stop a deadly assault. In other words, don't shoot them in the back. If someone will stand and take five 44 magnums, or even 357 magnums, I am likely to use number six on myself.
I find revolvers easier to draw, easier to get a first hit with, easier to point shoot, more accurate, and safer for most people. I wonder if there are statistics showing how many officers or concealed carry permit holders were actually killed with an empty gun in their hand? And if they were killed while reloading, how many of their first five or six rounds found the mark at all, much less the vitals? I am really serious here, not just trying to start another Ford Versus Chevy revolver auto thing. I am sure someone keeps up with such things. Also, accidents. Are revolvers really safer? I think so, but I would really like facts to prove or disprove what I feel.
There are a lot of things that i like about the GLOCK 23 I bought to teach concealed carry classes with. It is indestructable. It has a finish that is virtually indestructable. There are accesories everywhere for it. The 40 Smith and wesson is not my first, choice for self defense, but you could do a whole lot worse. It has never jammed after over a thousand rounds. But I just don't like it. For me, the grip angle and size are all wrong. I can carry a longer barreled revolver easier in a pancake holster, which is the most concealable rig I know of. An as far as picking the thing up and shooting it, I can't hit a watermelon at twenty five yards. It's not the gun. the gun shoots as well as any other service type pistol, between three and four inches at twenty five yards. I just cant shoot it that well.
I have three different "K" frame Smith and Wessons. Each has a different barrel length or profile, and different grips. Each one shoots differently. My model 19 shoots very poorly in my hands, although it is very sound mechanicly. It has a set of Pachmeyer grips, And they don't work for me. My model 15 has Houge grips, and it shoots like a brain directed death ray. All I have to do is think, and it hits. My model 14 has bullseye grips, a barrel rib, and special sights. It is single action only, and it will cut the center out of any target That I have shot it at so far. I believe that rabbits sometimes die of fright if they hear me open the case it rests in. Each gun is different, but the same. When i put houges on the model 19, it becomes even more of what the 15 is, instant death to whatever I POINT it at.
I have Houge grips on my 629. It came that way, And heaven is heaven, why change it? I was a little concerned that someone might see me carrying at church,because the soft rubber that the houges are made from snagged on my coat, holding it up. It didn't look like I was carrying a gun, but it sure was obvious that there was something on my belt. So I got a set of beautiful burl walnut grips that were more combat type grips. My finger hit the trigger higher up, and I couldn't hit a pumpkin a 25 yards with one hand. Two handed double action was pretty dismal, too. I changed back after one day at the range. I wish I could do that with a GLOCK.
I got flamed constantly because i believe that If a cartridge won't put down medium game like deer and bear, then i wouldn't trust my life to it. I just can't get it out of my head that if a cartridge doesn't impress a deer, then it sure won't impress a crack head. If anything we need more power for two legged varmints. A deer will run off, a thug might shoot back, if he is able. One fellow in particular kept saying over and over that hunting was nothing like combat shooting. Poor defenseless herbivores don't act like thugs when they get shot. I feel the same way! A deer will run if it can. A thug might stand and fight if he can! Which one needs more power? I certainly don't have a lot of fear about deer being shot to pieces and still coming after me, but I have heard story after story about dopers that keep on coming, after taking hits. I just feel that it is better to put a hole big enough to see daylight thru in them. Preferably three or four holes that big.
I guess I just want some support for the choices that i have made reguarding a carry gun. I know that my reasoning is sound, but that doesn't mean that the next guy, who carries a Kel Tec, isn't just as right as me. Just not the best choice in my circumstances.
Statistically, there a less than three shots exchanged in a gunfight. I dare not bring that up over there, but it is a fact. Statistics on where someone was hit, and how fast they went down are not available to civillians like us, but if they were, I am sure they would bear out that accuracy, particularly with the first shot or two, generally carries the day. Power is a distant, but important second. Capacity just doesn't concern me that much. I know that if I was hit, particularly with a powerful gun, I would get out of Dodge, if I could. While it might or might not be ethical to shoot someone in the back while they are running away, I am sure it would be legally questionable, even in an enlightened place like west Texas. Here in North Carolina, The law says that force must not be greater than nessesary to stop a deadly assault. In other words, don't shoot them in the back. If someone will stand and take five 44 magnums, or even 357 magnums, I am likely to use number six on myself.
I find revolvers easier to draw, easier to get a first hit with, easier to point shoot, more accurate, and safer for most people. I wonder if there are statistics showing how many officers or concealed carry permit holders were actually killed with an empty gun in their hand? And if they were killed while reloading, how many of their first five or six rounds found the mark at all, much less the vitals? I am really serious here, not just trying to start another Ford Versus Chevy revolver auto thing. I am sure someone keeps up with such things. Also, accidents. Are revolvers really safer? I think so, but I would really like facts to prove or disprove what I feel.
There are a lot of things that i like about the GLOCK 23 I bought to teach concealed carry classes with. It is indestructable. It has a finish that is virtually indestructable. There are accesories everywhere for it. The 40 Smith and wesson is not my first, choice for self defense, but you could do a whole lot worse. It has never jammed after over a thousand rounds. But I just don't like it. For me, the grip angle and size are all wrong. I can carry a longer barreled revolver easier in a pancake holster, which is the most concealable rig I know of. An as far as picking the thing up and shooting it, I can't hit a watermelon at twenty five yards. It's not the gun. the gun shoots as well as any other service type pistol, between three and four inches at twenty five yards. I just cant shoot it that well.
I have three different "K" frame Smith and Wessons. Each has a different barrel length or profile, and different grips. Each one shoots differently. My model 19 shoots very poorly in my hands, although it is very sound mechanicly. It has a set of Pachmeyer grips, And they don't work for me. My model 15 has Houge grips, and it shoots like a brain directed death ray. All I have to do is think, and it hits. My model 14 has bullseye grips, a barrel rib, and special sights. It is single action only, and it will cut the center out of any target That I have shot it at so far. I believe that rabbits sometimes die of fright if they hear me open the case it rests in. Each gun is different, but the same. When i put houges on the model 19, it becomes even more of what the 15 is, instant death to whatever I POINT it at.
I have Houge grips on my 629. It came that way, And heaven is heaven, why change it? I was a little concerned that someone might see me carrying at church,because the soft rubber that the houges are made from snagged on my coat, holding it up. It didn't look like I was carrying a gun, but it sure was obvious that there was something on my belt. So I got a set of beautiful burl walnut grips that were more combat type grips. My finger hit the trigger higher up, and I couldn't hit a pumpkin a 25 yards with one hand. Two handed double action was pretty dismal, too. I changed back after one day at the range. I wish I could do that with a GLOCK.
I got flamed constantly because i believe that If a cartridge won't put down medium game like deer and bear, then i wouldn't trust my life to it. I just can't get it out of my head that if a cartridge doesn't impress a deer, then it sure won't impress a crack head. If anything we need more power for two legged varmints. A deer will run off, a thug might shoot back, if he is able. One fellow in particular kept saying over and over that hunting was nothing like combat shooting. Poor defenseless herbivores don't act like thugs when they get shot. I feel the same way! A deer will run if it can. A thug might stand and fight if he can! Which one needs more power? I certainly don't have a lot of fear about deer being shot to pieces and still coming after me, but I have heard story after story about dopers that keep on coming, after taking hits. I just feel that it is better to put a hole big enough to see daylight thru in them. Preferably three or four holes that big.
I guess I just want some support for the choices that i have made reguarding a carry gun. I know that my reasoning is sound, but that doesn't mean that the next guy, who carries a Kel Tec, isn't just as right as me. Just not the best choice in my circumstances.
