Every liberal on my college campus seems to be pro-gun.

[BHP FAN]

I'm a registered Republican,but at heart I'm Libertarian.I don't CARE if you smoke weed .If we legalise it,regulate it and tax it we'll be better off,and no,I don't smoke that ****.I'm just tired of seeing Colombian illegals running around in the woods,huge profits realised by gangsters and my tax dollars spent on ineffectual counter measures.Legalize it,and the whole rotten underground economy falls to pieces.

 

[notorious]

Legalize it and you will still have an underground economy for better stuff than what the government regulations allow.

Everyone buys underground stuff whether it be car parts, illegal liquor, etc. just for the fact that it's something they can't get normally. It's human nature to want something different. Of course, you will take a chunk of it away from the cartels but you won't eradicate it by any means. They will just channel more into gambling, prostitution, extortion, human trafficking, you name it.

 

[withdrawn34]

I think it is unreasonable to toss away pro-RKBA Democrats as "useless." How is it useless for the DNC to know that they'll pay a heavy price for something like a new AWB or national ban on concealed carry - not just from pro-gun Republicans, but also from pro-gun members of their own party? They are VERY instrumental. There are also a disturbing number of anti-gun Republicans and so called "conservatives."

For the record, I am not registered with either Democrats or Republicans; nor do I claim social membership with either party. I lean heavily towards Libertarian philosophies in my political thought.

 

[notorious]

There's actually quite a few liberal threads that say the same thing that they are excluding their own by being anti-gun and why it's the wrong position to take because it does not jibe with their philosophy on everything else. Some good reading there watching them fight among themselves and calling each other out as unreasonable or reactionary.

 

[rbernie]

I think it is unreasonable to toss away pro-RKBA Democrats as "useless."

I agree. But I also think that's it's delusional to expect any Statist, blue or red, to keep the faith when the chips are really down. They will revert to their Statist roots. They cannot help themselves. Never count on a Statist to be there when you really need them, and you'll be disappointed far less.

My worldview is that the Repub statists are generally, but not always, willing to support the the RKBA and that the Dem statists are generally, but not always, not willing to support the RKBA. Both sides have statists that cannot be trusted, but the Dem statists tend to fall the wrong way on the whole RKBA issue.

Gang, here's the missing piece in this discussion so far - judicial appointments.

We have Heller only by a slim majority. We cannot thank the Donkeys for that decision, by any margin. When the next SCOTUS nomination comes up, how many 'pro-gun' Dem CongressCritters are going to be in a position to assist and support a pro-gun nominee?

Zero.

They will support the nominee that their party endorses, and their own personal views will be worthless. And that tells me that until the Dems take gun control out of their party plank, they MUST be considered dangerous as heck when viewed as a voting bloc.

 

[JImbothefiveth]

until the Dems take gun control out of their party plank

No. It's until they stop nominating anti-gun justices, and take gun control out of their plank.

But they won't. It's worked well for them so far, as they keep getting elected, and pro-gun Democrats won't do anything about it.

They will support the nominee that their party endorses

THis is why, given a choice between a pro-life, pro-gun, pro-whatever Democrat and republican, you know what road I'll take.

 

[expvideo]

Everyone buys underground stuff whether it be car parts, illegal liquor, etc. just for the fact that it's something they can't get normally. It's human nature to want something different. Of course, you will take a chunk of it away from the cartels but you won't eradicate it by any means. They will just channel more into gambling, prostitution, extortion, human trafficking, you name it.

I don't. The problem with criminals is that they assume everyone else is a criminal and then they feel sorry for themselves when they get caught doing something that "everyone does".

 

[Dwight45]

Guys, There's that old saying that you can attract more flies with honey than with (you know what). If there's anything I've learned about human nature as a practicing psychologist for 40 years, it's that if you push someone, his first inclination is to push back. Want to win over people afraid of guns and their owners? Be nice. Speak softly. Gently state your case clearly and concisely, and in civil matter. Then drop the subject. Don't lecture. And don't expect your subject to change his mind on the spot. We can't win an agrument, we can only plant seeds and hope they'll grow later. I find the best way to get people over their fear and repulsion of guns is to take them to the range to shoot with me. The kids especially love it.

When I later discuss the use of firearms for home defense, I keep it short and simple--no righteous brow-beating or chest-beating lectures. I tell them I see my gun as an insurance policy. I hope to God I'll never need it, and I probably won't, but if I ever do, I'll need it fast, and badly. Everyone can appreciate that. As for the issue of carry, that's a harder sell and must come even later.

There's been a lot of contention and poarization in recent years fueled by hate-radio jocks. Republicans think Democrats are a bunch of socialists, and Democrats think republicans are a pack of self-centered s.o.b.s. Both views are wrong and dangerous. They make our country a house-divided. Of course there are good and bad people of both persuasions. I have friends who give time and money to charities. But they don't trust their government to aid the downtrodden, so they vote republican. These are fine people, and I respect them. And I know Democrats (of which I'm one) that are too greedy to tip their barbers.

We're going to have some tough times just ahead. Let's try to pull together, tolerate our differences, and help each other out. And to take others shooting.

I won't be around anymore, so fare well to all of you.

Dwight

 

[notorious]

I don't. The problem with criminals is that they assume everyone else is a criminal and then they feel sorry for themselves when they get caught doing something that "everyone does".

You calling me a criminal? Haha... you might be closer than you think, at least the psychologists say so, that our profession shows 98%+ similarities to the criminal mindset.

In any event, don't take my statement that literally that the transaction has to be the back alley look at what I can get but don't tell nobody type of transactions... it could be as normal as ordering something in Europe that you can't get here or having some guy in a store show you a special item that you've never seen before that nobody carries because it's not an official import item or whatever.

That's my point, whatever it is, someone will not buy the regular market goods because there will be (in their minds) a better alternative, even if it is not 100% legal or normally available.

 

[JImbothefiveth]

Dwight, I apologize if you are leaving this forum because of anything I said in this thread. You might also want to try reading the "politics-free" forums, like shotguns.

 

[expvideo]

You calling me a criminal? Haha... you might be closer than you think, at least the psychologists say so, that our profession shows 98%+ similarities to the criminal mindset.

In any event, don't take my statement that literally that the transaction has to be the back alley look at what I can get but don't tell nobody type of transactions... it could be as normal as ordering something in Europe that you can't get here or having some guy in a store show you a special item that you've never seen before that nobody carries because it's not an official import item or whatever.

That's my point, whatever it is, someone will not buy the regular market goods because there will be (in their minds) a better alternative, even if it is not 100% legal or normally available.

I wouldn't consider ordering products from overseas to be "underground" or in any way the same ballpark as illegal contraband.

And I didn't know you worked in a call center.

 

[notorious]

That depends on the type of product and why it wasn't offered here. You might not think it is such a big deal but if the reason why you can't get a car part here is because it hasn't been certified or passed the testing, guess what... it's not legal to install. Same with certain popular leather suits made of kangaroo that is supposedly illegal in CA but is very common with the local riders. Again, illegal but easily ordered.

It all depends on what you want to rationalize to yourself to make yourself feel better. If you don't do anything out of the ordinary, that's good for you too.

BTW, I don't work at a call center, it's called a collections center... in India.

 

[travis74]

It is all about money, like everything else. Politicians in general care more about getting re-elected more than they do our gun rights. They will say and do whatever it takes to get re-elected.

They know that most people care about medical insurance more than gun rights. Guns are like abortion or gay marriage which are not the issues that most Americans care about enough that it would sway a vote the other way. Most are willing to give up their rights so the Federal government can take care of their every need more than they care about a gun. Most people would love to do nothing and let the government do it all. That is how you get votes. You promise people "stuff" like free medical insurance, corperate bailouts, unemployment checks, food stamps, medicare and social security. Here is a good example- run for senate and tell people you want to reform Social Security. Guess what? You will not get elected cause you are not giving something away. You got to have entitlements for people or they just want vote for you. Gun rights, well you aint giving anything away. That is just the way it is like it or not.

Simple fact is that if you want to keep your guns then you stand alot better chance with a Republican. If you think other things are more important then that is fine. Everyone has that right. Just don't be surprised when that is what you get. Some of you disagree and I am sure that there is a few examples but for the most part you will have a tough time finding a senator that is for government run health care like Hilary Clinton Health Care and is a supporter of the right to bear arms. I am sorry guys that is the way it normally is. The reason there is a split is because they almost always toe the party line. The party line for Republicans is very different from the Democrats party line and for the most part the Republican is pro gun and and the Democrat is anti gun almost always. It is like a club in Washington DC. If you want to be part of the "club" you got to vote the party line. If you are not part of the crowd then your chances of getting re eleceted are low and what do politicians care about most? Re election. Easy money right and you can even give yourself pay raises even when you don't deserve it and show up to work when you want to. That, to me is why they care more about getting re elected. To get re elcted you got to give something away, like freebies things that working people had to work to pay for. You know like free health care, not guns. Who cares about liberty right? Federal Government Freebies are more important.

 

[regal]

There is big difference between liberal and libertarian. Conservatives usually have a hard time understanding what a libertarian stands for. You mean you believe in pro-choice and the 2nd amendment, how can that be? How could anyone put the Bill of Rights above there own values?

 

[JWarren]

Dwight,


The "lesson" of your parting post (#133) on this thread loses it’s-- shall we saw-- credibility when I see that you bring your own elitism to the table here when you say on this thread:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=410426&page=2

"Yes, Nugent is on our side. But he's not winning us any new supporters. The man's a redneck lout."

Yeah, I'm gonna miss you.


-- John

 

[Neverwinter]

To get re elcted you got to give something away, like freebies things that working people had to work to pay for. You know like free health care, not guns. Who cares about liberty right? Federal Government Freebies are more important.

Convicted senator Ted Stevens is the poster boy for this.
Politics is about who gets votes. Running outside of the two dens of thieves in a race based on winner-takes-all district counting tends to be a losing proposition. Doubly so when people vote for party over principles.

You mean you believe in pro-choice and the 2nd amendment, how can that be? How could anyone put the Bill of Rights above there own values?

It's not about the Bill of Rights, it's about the fundamental rights which are enumerated by those amendments. The Bill of Rights is a means to an end for securing those rights.

 

[hso]

Since we can't seem to stay focused on the OP's observation and partisan politics has seized the day this one has sadly run off track.