Exciting 10mm load --- 155gr XTP + Blue Dot = 1600fps

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CAUTION: The following post includes loading data beyond currently published maximums for this cartridge. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Neither the writer, The High Road, nor the staff of THR assume any liability for any damage or injury resulting from use of this information.

PLEASE do your due diligence before attempting to copy this load - although very fun and safe in MY setup, the same may not be true for you. I worked up to this!

OK, now that all the warnings are out of the way, I suppose it's time to make my first post here! I've gained a ton of valuable info from lurking/reading this forum, so now I'm happy to have finally made an account and post some data of my own. Been at this for several months now and have really caught the bug.

This load is pushing the Hornady 155gr XTP bullet to its absolute limits in terms of velocity. It hits like a ton of bricks, and absolutely explodes water jugs. Hitting a 10" x 3/8" AR500 gong, 2 well timed shots flipped the entire thing on its chains over the top of the stand. 1 shot gets the heavy gong swinging like crazy. With the ballistics gel, it sent the whole thing flying. The energy transfer is severe. Accuracy was also quite good.

Data:
10mm Auto
Brass: Once fired PPU brass (all carefully inspected)
Primer: CCI 300
Bullet: 155gr XTP .400"
Powder: Alliant Blue Dot
Charge: 13.1gr
COAL: 1.260

Gun:
Glock G40 MOS
KKM 6.5" Barrel w/ 4-port comp

Velocity AVG: 1585fps, MAX = 1599fps
Calc. Kinetic Energy: 880 ft.lbf

I really wish I had the presence of mind to record the whole string of velocities in the moment - I was with friends, though, and didn't want to slow everyone down too much. I saw 1570s, 1580s, 1590s and a max of 1599 (so close)

The load penetrated roughly 13-14" in Clear 10% gel. Star-like fragmentation for 3-4" and massive expansion. I did not notice full jacket separation, but there was some. I will have retained weight figures and expansion figures later, the recovered projectiles are at my brother's house (the gel is his).

Primers are only ever so slightly flattened and the max case expansion is roughly 0.4308" as the highest of the cases I analyzed. Most were right at 0.428"

Attached are a few images - analysis via precision optical surface scanner showing max case expansion, primer condition, and brass profile, and a picture at nighttime to show the flash. The flash truly wasn't bad at all, not like what some people would have you believe about Blue Dot being blinding at night. Perhaps the comp was acting as a kind of flash hider as well?

Happy to answer any questions or comments you may have! Look forward to the discussion!

In the Optical Surface Scanner image, on the bottom left you see max case expansion [radius = 0.2154", ergo diameter = 0.4308"]
Bottom Middle = the profile of the brass, showing that there is no smile/pressure ring/gross deformation, only the slight bulge.
Top Right = primer condition. The color:height legend is in the top left of that image. This image shows that the face of the primer is flat to the rear of the case, but there is still a clearly visible curve/gradient to the edge of the primer, showing it is not overly flattened or extruded.

Enjoy!
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CAUTION: The following post includes loading data beyond currently published maximums for this cartridge. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Neither the writer, The High Road, nor the staff of THR assume any liability for any damage or injury resulting from use of this information.

PLEASE do your due diligence before attempting to copy this load - although very fun and safe in MY setup, the same may not be true for you. I worked up to this!

OK, now that all the warnings are out of the way, I suppose it's time to make my first post here! I've gained a ton of valuable info from lurking/reading this forum, so now I'm happy to have finally made an account and post some data of my own. Been at this for several months now and have really caught the bug.

This load is pushing the Hornady 155gr XTP bullet to its absolute limits in terms of velocity. It hits like a ton of bricks, and absolutely explodes water jugs. Hitting a 10" x 3/8" AR500 gong, 2 well timed shots flipped the entire thing on its chains over the top of the stand. 1 shot gets the heavy gong swinging like crazy. With the ballistics gel, it sent the whole thing flying. The energy transfer is severe. Accuracy was also quite good.

Data:
10mm Auto
Brass: Once fired PPU brass (all carefully inspected)
Primer: CCI 300
Bullet: 155gr XTP .400"
Powder: Alliant Blue Dot
Charge: 13.1gr
COAL: 1.260

Gun:
Glock G40 MOS
KKM 6.5" Barrel w/ 4-port comp

Velocity AVG: 1585fps, MAX = 1599fps
Calc. Kinetic Energy: 880 ft.lbf

I really wish I had the presence of mind to record the whole string of velocities in the moment - I was with friends, though, and didn't want to slow everyone down too much. I saw 1570s, 1580s, 1590s and a max of 1599 (so close)

The load penetrated roughly 13-14" in Clear 10% gel. Star-like fragmentation for 3-4" and massive expansion. I did not notice full jacket separation, but there was some. I will have retained weight figures and expansion figures later, the recovered projectiles are at my brother's house (the gel is his).

Primers are only ever so slightly flattened and the max case expansion is roughly 0.4308" as the highest of the cases I analyzed. Most were right at 0.428"

Attached are a few images - analysis via precision optical surface scanner showing max case expansion, primer condition, and brass profile, and a picture at nighttime to show the flash. The flash truly wasn't bad at all, not like what some people would have you believe about Blue Dot being blinding at night. Perhaps the comp was acting as a kind of flash hider as well?

Happy to answer any questions or comments you may have! Look forward to the discussion!

In the Optical Surface Scanner image, on the bottom left you see max case expansion [radius = 0.2154", ergo diameter = 0.4308"]
Bottom Middle = the profile of the brass, showing that there is no smile/pressure ring/gross deformation, only the slight bulge.
Top Right = primer condition. The color:height legend is in the top left of that image. This image shows that the face of the primer is flat to the rear of the case, but there is still a clearly visible curve/gradient to the edge of the primer, showing it is not overly flattened or extruded.

Enjoy!
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Oh Yea Rock and Roll. I have the same gun and probably the same comp setup.Got some new 180 FMJ that I want to try working up. Love Blue Dot and Long shot in it. Use a lot of Unique for tamer target loads.
 
I bought my Glock 40 MOS and immediately put a Lone Wolf 6.5” threaded barrel in mine, a little polishing of the feed ramp and away we go. No bulges and ok to push the 10mm on reloading. My stock barrel maybe has 50 rounds through it.
 
That’s the benefit of a KKM barrel. If your a 10MM Reloader an aftermarket barrel makes good sense.My G20 has a KKM in it also
Yep have two lone wolf barrels. Threaded 6 1/2 with a comp , and a 9 inch just for kicks and Giggles. Love both of them. Both have supported chambers.
 
I bought my Glock 40 MOS and immediately put a Lone Wolf 6.5” threaded barrel in mine, a little polishing of the feed ramp and away we go. No bulges and ok to push the 10mm on reloading. My stock barrel maybe has 50 rounds through it.
My first one was the 9 inch Lone Wolf and then the 6 1/2 inch threaded barrel. Run that one with or without the comp. The Comp does make considerable recoil difference. And I still have good cycling even with my unique powder target loads. And I don't have to chace down my cassings LOL. Both Barrels Ran Great right out of the box.
 
My first one was the 9 inch Lone Wolf and then the 6 1/2 inch threaded barrel. Run that one with or without the comp. The Comp does make considerable recoil difference. And I still have good cycling even with my unique powder target loads. And I don't have to chace down my cassings LOL. Both Barrels Ran Great right out of the box.

Wow, 9" barrel... that's awesome. Ever used a chronograph to test the velocity gain? Do you find it's more accurate?
Agree that the comp makes a huge difference in recoil and muzzle flip. With the heavy slide and the comp, my G40 shoots hot loaded 10mms like 9's. It's awesome.

My stock barrel came right out and in the gun box. Never put a round through it.

I had to wait a few months for KKM to get my barrel finished - the difference in accuracy from the stock barrel was immediate and obvious!
 
Wow, 9" barrel... that's awesome. Ever used a chronograph to test the velocity gain? Do you find it's more accurate?
Agree that the comp makes a huge difference in recoil and muzzle flip. With the heavy slide and the comp, my G40 shoots hot loaded 10mms like 9's. It's awesome.



I had to wait a few months for KKM to get my barrel finished - the difference in accuracy from the stock barrel was immediate and obvious!
Just got A Crony. First chance I get will Check out speeds
 
It's a small world after all!!!

Back in the 90's 1911's were popular and we'd fit 6" 9mm bbl's (plain & threaded) on our 5" bbl'd 38 super raceguns.

Start with a good baseline firearm and the sky's the limit.
 
Nothing like pushing the envelope with spiky Blue Dot powder.

It may get real exciting!:uhoh:
 
Send some pistol porn!

Will do later today!

Well those 155s are screaming! I likes me some Blue Dot in my 10mms.

Me too. I've also got VV 3N38 and IMR 800-X to play with, but Blue Dot has been working so well for me thus far, not ready to move on yet!

Nothing like pushing the envelope with spiky Blue Dot powder.

It may get real exciting!:uhoh:

I saw you post about blue dot being "flaming dirt" before when I was researching. Curious where your disdain for this propellant comes from, is it based on any experiences? Blue dot works extremely well for myself and many others.
I'm not too worried about carefully working up to 1.5% over Hornady book max.
 
Nothing like pushing the envelope with spiky Blue Dot powder.

It may get real exciting!:uhoh:

I'm not too worried about carefully working up to 1.5% over Hornady book max.

I think the point here is that some powders don't play well when going outside the boundaries, and your load is just that.

Also consider what could happen if your ammo somehow got into a different gun, maybe one that can't take the extra pressure.

From Alliants web page:

  • 155 gr Speer GDHP
Minimum OAL
(inches)
Bbl Length
Primer
Powder
Charge Weight
(grains)
Velocity
(fps)
Print

1.25 5 CCI 300 Unique 8.5 1,246 View this recipe
1.25 5 CCI 300 Blue Dot 12 1,291 View this recipe

Have fun with it but do be safe.

chris
 
I think the point here is that some powders don't play well when going outside the boundaries, and your load is just that.

Also consider what could happen if your ammo somehow got into a different gun, maybe one that can't take the extra pressure.

From Alliants web page:

  • 155 gr Speer GDHP
Minimum OAL
(inches)
Bbl Length
Primer
Powder
Charge Weight
(grains)
Velocity
(fps)
Print

1.25 5 CCI 300 Unique 8.5 1,246 View this recipe
1.25 5 CCI 300 Blue Dot 12 1,291 View this recipe

Have fun with it but do be safe.

chris


Understood, I’m not trying to be too foolhardy or push the limits too hard... do feel like I’ve been safe, working up to this carefully over 100 loaded rounds and many iterations. Willing to be self-critical and see reason here from more experienced people, though.

certainly don’t intend to push it higher, and may well revert to 12.9 and just throw the charges instead of hand weighing as I know it can take a few tenths over and under.

Thanks for your comments, everyone.

Now for the earlier “pistol porn” request :D
 

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Will do later today!



Me too. I've also got VV 3N38 and IMR 800-X to play with, but Blue Dot has been working so well for me thus far, not ready to move on yet!



I saw you post about blue dot being "flaming dirt" before when I was researching. Curious where your disdain for this propellant comes from, is it based on any experiences? Blue dot works extremely well for myself and many others.
I'm not too worried about carefully working up to 1.5% over Hornady book max.


I am not going to debate Blue Dot. Do some research. It gets very "spiky"
I do not know of many powders that have a warning on specific loads and caliber,

BD may well be great for shotgun loads, I still have my original container of it, hard to find a way to use it up. Out of all the available (or used to be) powders Blue Dot should be retired, I also to not believe in maxing out any load, the end results are not worth it. Move to a different powder, bullet whatever,

Be safe.

Why in these loads I have no idea.

During the latest review Alliant Powder discovered that Alliant Powder's Blue Dot® should not be used in the following applications:

  • Blue Dot® should NOT be used in the 357 Magnum load using the 125 grain projectile (Blue Dot® recipes with heavier bullet weights as specified in Alliant Powders Reloading Guide are acceptable for use).
  • Blue Dot® should NOT be used in the 41 Magnum cartridge (all bullet weights).
Use of Blue Dot® in the above cases may cause a high pressure situation that could cause property damage and serious personal injury.

We apologize for any inconvenience that this may cause and appreciate your understanding and cooperation in this matter.

http://www.alliantpowder.com/getting_started/safety/safety_notices.aspx
 
Blue Dot proved very position sensitive in .22 Hornet, severely blew primers in one direction only. Fine powder back, very bad mojo powder forward.

But position sensitivity isn’t an issue here. The only issue being is it safe where the OP has worked up to. In general I always warn against going over book data, but any long time competent handloader knows there are occasionally times when a little over is safe.

Unfortunately, we also have careless handloaders who routinely take chances going over published data for all kinds of reasons, the worst one being “It’s ok, it’s lawyerd down.”

On the internet, it can be hard to know the competency of another poster.

Y'all have fun, but be careful out there. :)
 
The folks over at 10mm-firearms forum will provide input and suggestions.
Understood, I’m not trying to be too foolhardy or push the limits too hard... do feel like I’ve been safe, working up to this carefully over 100 loaded rounds and many iterations. Willing to be self-critical and see reason here from more experienced people, though.
 
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