sonier
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I hear a lot of issues about certain weapons and calibers. I live on a farm where lots of shots are fired because of cougars, bears and coyotes.
i also do a lot of butchering and im not to fond of sharp knives to dispatch the animal. I do a lot of long range hunting out here, 400 yard shots are very common. Ballistics and wind drift and i are very familiar with each other.
Now that you know about my experience in cartridges and loads let me tell you about some odd facts ive come across.
1.. i had shot my cow elk last year beautifull 450 yard shot. 150 gr sierra spitzer 30/06 3100fps. dropped like a brick just like i prefer. so i was shooting a 22 lr the next day and started to think of my childhood. I was raised by a bunch of illegal poachers who shot and killed there deer in georgia with 22lr and 22 mags. I started thinking i had some elk shoulderblades and decided to test fire a few shots at 5 yards then 30 yards. a 22LR penetrated and left the shoulderblades at 30 yards every time. i realize there wasnt any tissue or muscle on these. but it did penetrate bone. In my opininon a 22lr would be enough power to use in self defense. but there is a lot better things out there.
2. I do a lot of butchering out here, my favorite cartridge for dispatching is a 22 mag with ballistic tipped point. If anyone has ever dealt with butchering corriedale sheep they understand that there skull structure is same thickness as a cow. Ive never needed more than one shot to do the job. so in my opinion a 22 mag would not be a bad self defense weapon.
3.. ok now the view on 9mm, the 9mm bullet goes slower than some pellet guns. It also has a bigger surface area. this means more resistance through tissue. if you were to speed up a 9mm bullet to go faster then there would be shock around the tissues. Personally if i was wrried about self defense capabilities id use a FMJ or a heavy base bullet like nosler partition so it would expand and retain.
4.. shot placement.................. ok shot placement is very important. i can shoot an elk with the barret 50 cal and stil have an elk walk away if i dont shoot well. this goes well for any scenario in self defense or hunting, or farming. ive shot many broadside deer and elk. when they have adrenaline or are slightly spooked they tend to run. if they have no idea they drop instantly. In a highly stressful situation such as a robbery. this is a stressful time and everyones adrenaline is going. Weird things can happen even with perfect shot placements. I knew someone who got mugged and shot in the long, but he was able to beat the guy in self defense with his bare fist before he went to hospital. Center mass is a very good rule to abide by. You can shoot someone in center mass and still miss vital organs. So personally i believe in double tap, better chances to put the assailant down.
This is some summarys and ideas from living on a farm, hunting and certain other scenarios.
i also do a lot of butchering and im not to fond of sharp knives to dispatch the animal. I do a lot of long range hunting out here, 400 yard shots are very common. Ballistics and wind drift and i are very familiar with each other.
Now that you know about my experience in cartridges and loads let me tell you about some odd facts ive come across.
1.. i had shot my cow elk last year beautifull 450 yard shot. 150 gr sierra spitzer 30/06 3100fps. dropped like a brick just like i prefer. so i was shooting a 22 lr the next day and started to think of my childhood. I was raised by a bunch of illegal poachers who shot and killed there deer in georgia with 22lr and 22 mags. I started thinking i had some elk shoulderblades and decided to test fire a few shots at 5 yards then 30 yards. a 22LR penetrated and left the shoulderblades at 30 yards every time. i realize there wasnt any tissue or muscle on these. but it did penetrate bone. In my opininon a 22lr would be enough power to use in self defense. but there is a lot better things out there.
2. I do a lot of butchering out here, my favorite cartridge for dispatching is a 22 mag with ballistic tipped point. If anyone has ever dealt with butchering corriedale sheep they understand that there skull structure is same thickness as a cow. Ive never needed more than one shot to do the job. so in my opinion a 22 mag would not be a bad self defense weapon.
3.. ok now the view on 9mm, the 9mm bullet goes slower than some pellet guns. It also has a bigger surface area. this means more resistance through tissue. if you were to speed up a 9mm bullet to go faster then there would be shock around the tissues. Personally if i was wrried about self defense capabilities id use a FMJ or a heavy base bullet like nosler partition so it would expand and retain.
4.. shot placement.................. ok shot placement is very important. i can shoot an elk with the barret 50 cal and stil have an elk walk away if i dont shoot well. this goes well for any scenario in self defense or hunting, or farming. ive shot many broadside deer and elk. when they have adrenaline or are slightly spooked they tend to run. if they have no idea they drop instantly. In a highly stressful situation such as a robbery. this is a stressful time and everyones adrenaline is going. Weird things can happen even with perfect shot placements. I knew someone who got mugged and shot in the long, but he was able to beat the guy in self defense with his bare fist before he went to hospital. Center mass is a very good rule to abide by. You can shoot someone in center mass and still miss vital organs. So personally i believe in double tap, better chances to put the assailant down.
This is some summarys and ideas from living on a farm, hunting and certain other scenarios.
