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October 20, 2005

Exploiting The Dead

By Ralph Peters

We'll soon reach a total of 2,000 dead American troops in Iraq. You won't miss the day it happens. The media will pound it into you.

But no one will tell you what that number really means — and what it doesn't.

Unable to convince the Bush administration or our troops to cut and run, the American left is waging its campaign of support for Islamist terror through our all-too-cooperative media. And you're the duck in the anti-war movement's shooting gallery.

Breathless anchors and voice-of-God columnists will suggest that 2,000 dead is an exorbitant price to pay in wartime, that reaching such a threshold means we've failed and that it's time to "support our troops and bring them home."

All lies. Certainly, the life of every American service member matters to us. But the left's attempt to exploit dead soldiers and Marines for partisan purposes is worse than grave-robbing: Ghouls only take gold rings and decaying flesh; the left wants to rob our war dead of their sacrifices and their achievements, their honor and their pride.

Those who died in Iraq have not died in vain. Even should Iraq fail itself in the end, our courageous effort to give one Middle-Eastern Muslim population a chance to create a rule-of-law democracy has been worth the cost — for their sake, but also for ours. Without a transformation of the Middle East, we shall see no end of terror.

As a former soldier whose friends still serve under our flag, I'm especially disgusted by the pretense on the part of those who never served and who wouldn't dream of letting their own children serve that they speak for the men and women in uniform.

Our troops speak for themselves. By re-enlisting. And returning to Iraq, to complete the mission for which their comrades gave their lives or suffered life-altering wounds.

Two generations of politicians and pundits suffer from their avoidance of military service. They speak of war in ignorance and view our troops — whom they quietly despise — as nothing more than tools of their own ambitions. After deploring body counts during their Vietnam-era protest years, today our leftists revel in the American body count in Iraq.

The left has been infuriated by its inability to incite an anti-war movement in our military — forgetting that this is an all-volunteer force whose members believe in service to our country. The best the Democrats can do is to trot out poor Wes Clark, an ethically challenged retired general who will say anything, anywhere, anytime in return for five more seconds in the spotlight.

As for that "unacceptable" number of casualties, let's put it in perspective:

Our current loss rate in Iraq from combat and non-combat deaths is 765 per year. That's painful for individual families, but we would have to remain in Iraq, taking casualties at the same rate, for 76 years to rival our loss of more than 58,000 Americans in Indochina.

And Vietnam wasn't remotely as important to our national security. The terrorists we face today are more implacable than any of the enemies from our past. Even the Germans didn't dream of eradicating our entire population. The Japanese hoped to master Asia, not to massacre every man, woman and child in America.

We would need to continue our efforts in Iraq and the greater War on Terror for 532 years to suffer the 407,000 dead we lost in less than four years in World War II.

And what about our greatest struggle, the American Civil War? We would have to maintain the status quo in Iraq for 470 years just to rival the number of Union dead and for 729 years to equal our total losses, North and South.

Even our Revolutionary War, in which fewer than 5,000 Americans died in combat (many more, unrecorded, fell to disease) has to be judged in terms of the population at the time — just over 2 million. Equivalent losses today would be over 500,000 dead Americans.

The point isn't to play hocus-pocus with statistics. That's what the pro-terrorist left is trying to do — betting that you know nothing of military history. Two thousand dead isn't a magic number. Our first loss was as important as the last. We must not make a mockery of our fallen by treating them as political rag-dolls to be tossed around the media playroom. Great causes incur great costs.

In historical terms, our losses in Iraq have been remarkably light, given the magnitude of what we seek to achieve. The low casualty rate is a tribute to the skill and professionalism of our troops and their battlefield leaders. None of us should breathe a word that undercuts them while they're fighting our war.

If the American left and its media sympathizers want someone to blame for our combat losses, they should begin with themselves. Their irresponsible demands for troop withdrawals provide powerful encouragement to Muslim fanatics to keep on killing as many American service members as possible. On the worst days the terrorists suffer in Iraq, our "anti-war" fellow citizens keep the cause of Islamist fascism alive. Their support is worth far more to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi than any amount of Saudi money.

It would be wonderful to live in a world in which war was never necessary. But we don't live in such a world. And there are no bloodless wars. We should honor every fallen American. But we also must recognize that, on this maddened earth, only the blood of patriots shed abroad allows us to live in safety here at home.

Ralph Peters' latest book is "New Glory, Expanding America's Global Supremacy."
 
Two generations of politicians and pundits suffer from their avoidance of military service. They speak of war in ignorance and view our troops — whom they quietly despise — as nothing more than tools of their own ambitions.

That loud rap was the sound of the nail being hit squarely on the head.
 
ACK! only one problem with that, its credentials.
(you do realize NY post is the "joke" paper of NY)

personally, i have used the same argument.

i hate people thinking our soldiers die for nothing, as if Saddam was just peachy.

Vietnam is a tough one because that war, hard to say it was worth being there.
still, the differnce in numbers is staggering, and yeah ok, whoever thought Iraq would be over in a week is crazy.

not at all suprised it is taking awhile. it's frustrating we lose many soldiers to these random bombs, but overall, sure seems like the losses are fairly minimal compared to what we're up against
 
NUMBERS:
The hostages of the U.S. Embassy in Iran, 63 people killed in the US Embassy bombing in Beirut, the 241 Marines on UN peacekeeping mission in Beirut, those injured in the bombing of the US Embassy in Kuwit, those injured in the second US Embassy bombing in Beirut, those injured in the Madrid restaurant bombing, the 22 killed at Rhein-Main AFB, one killed in the Achille Lauro hi-jacking, 4 killed on TWA Flight 840, the 259 killed on Pan Am Flight 103, the 2 killed at CIA HQ, the 6 killed in the first Trade Center bombing, the 7 killed at the US military complex in Riyadh, the19 killed at the US military complex Dhahran, the 224 killed in Kenya and Tanzania, the 17 killed on the USS Cole and the 2,800 plus killed in the second attack on the World trade Center. ( taken from a local newspaper written by: Glen Luse )
Fantastic article, the news recounts everyday our loss in combat but never why we are there. God bless our troops who understand why they are there and our Law Enforcement that are trying to make sure it never happens again on our shore. To them God bless and stay safe!
Semper Fi
C.S.Powell
 
I am forwarding that article to everyone in my mailbox. This gentleman is a patriot in the truest form and I respect his views and opinions greatly. He has stated everything about the war that I have in my head, but has done it more eloquently than I could have ever hoped. Thank you, Sir.
 
C.S.Powell said:
[T]he news recounts everyday our loss in combat but never why we are there.…

How many Iraqis attacked us on September 11th? Regardless, the media seems to have made less out of our reaching 2,000 killed than they did out of the first thousand. Either way, Iraq wasn’t worth even one American life.

~G. Fink
 
What an asshat. While I agree with many of the points in the article, accusing the left of "supporting terrorism" is so childish and idiotic that it's almost funny to see people actually agree with and support this moron. Fine, 2,000 dead isn't that many in relativity to other wars, but that means it's okay? No, it's not okay.

I'm as sick as anyone else of the liberal media's constant bias and editorials, all using the same tired arguments and points, but the war in Iraq just plain sucks on a multitude of levels. The 2,000 dead Americans, the other coalition deaths, and the countless Iraqi civilians slaughtered is an enormous loss of human life. The war has cost and will continue to cost hundreds of billions of dollars that simply do not exist. And furthermore, it represents the long-term neo-republican vision of globalized military. This war is the start of a colossal failure of foreign policy, quite probably involving trillions of dollars being vaporized in the blink of an eye, thousands of lives being lost, and possibly a massive global conflict.

To say protesters of the war "support terrorism" and "demoralize our troops", so therefore they shouldn't protest, is concentrated elephant manure at best. Disagree with the protesters on a political level, not by name-calling, or making accusations and guilt trips. There's definitely reason to believe the war was a bad idea, and most protesters aren't anti-American.
 
Combat Wombat said;
What an asshat. While I agree with many of the points in the article, accusing the left of "supporting terrorism" is so childish and idiotic that it's almost funny to see people actually agree with and support this moron. Fine, 2,000 dead isn't that many in relativity to other wars, but that means it's okay? No, it's not okay.

But the left does support terrorism. The equivalent would be them trying to stop WWII because the axis powers were just misunderstood and probably if we had just not embargoed Japan they wouldn't have had the need to strike out at us by attacking Pearl Harbor. They are exhibiting the same blissninny attitude an anti gunner displays when he tells you that you don't need a gun to defend yourself, the police will protect you or when they say just give the mugger what he wants so he won't hurt you.

The 2,000 dead Americans, the other coalition deaths, and the countless Iraqi civilians slaughtered is an enormous loss of human life.

How many coalition deaths have there been? How many Iraqi civilians have been killed? Now take that number and subtract it from the number Saddam killed. Is it still not worth the price?

The war has cost and will continue to cost hundreds of billions of dollars that simply do not exist.

Where did the money come from to pay for WWII? We were still coming out of the great depression when WWII started. Do you really think that the biggest economy on Earth can't pay for the war?

And furthermore, it represents the long-term neo-republican vision of globalized military.

And what is the long-term neo-republican vision of a globalized military? Where can I look it up on the net. They didn't send me my copy before I retired from the Army 2 years ago today.

To understand Iraq, you first have to accept the fact that we are in a war for our way of life, just as certainly as we were in WWII. The radical Islamic Fundamentalists want to eventually make the entire world into a nation like Afghanistan was under the Taliban. Make no mistake, they would see your mother wearing a burka and Sharia law if they had the means to do it.

Since they aren't a power or nation with an army, navy and air force to challenge us conventionally, they have to use the weapons at their disposal, terrorist attacks. There is only one way to stop the terrorist attacks and that is to fundamentally change the conditions that breed the terrorists. How do you do that you ask?

We have to reshape the Middle East. We have to give them a Muslim nation that is a democracy and has economic freedom as well as political freedom. Iraq was a good target for change. It sits right in the center of the affected area, it was a fairly secular society before and under Saddam so western ideas of deomcratic principles and economic freedom have a good chance of taking hold there. The despots who control the other Islamic Middle Eastern countries fear a successful Muslim democracy. Until we change the culture so that the people living in the Middle East will no longer feel they have to send their children into schools to learn hate so that they can strike at the perceived cause of their poor lives, nothing will change and little boys will continue to grow up wanting to be the martyr who detonates the nuclear device in Manhatten or Chicago. We can no longer ignore them.

This war is the start of a colossal failure of foreign policy, quite probably involving trillions of dollars being vaporized in the blink of an eye, thousands of lives being lost, and possibly a massive global conflict.

The war is necessary but has been poorly executed. I don't see how it could become a massive global conflict. The Europeans have decided once again to let the Americans fight their war for them. China is focused on Taiwan. Who is going to take part in this massive global conflict?

To say protesters of the war "support terrorism" and "demoralize our troops", so therefore they shouldn't protest, is concentrated elephant manure at best.

Ever been in the military? Ever been deployed? If not, what gives you the background to say what does or doesn't demoralize the troops?

Every protest does in fact support terrorism. A big part of the war is being fought for the hearts and minds of, no not the Iraqi people, but for the hearts and minds of the American people. Since The Bay of Pigs, Vietnam, Beruit, Mogadishu, etc. it has become a principle of war that you can defeat the best military the world has ever seen on the homefront. Every time there is a protest here, that give the insurgents a greater strength to fight on. They have this idea that if they just hold out long enough we will lose interest and then go away.

I entered the Army just as Vietnam was winding down. Was involved in the refugee operations when we evacuated Southeast Asia. Let me tell you something, it's not a good feeling to be away from home and your loved ones, in danger, and having the press convince the people you're laying it all on the line for that you are at best a dupe or at worst a psychotic killer.

My son is deploying to Iraq in November. He's an Infantryman just like I was. He deserves the full support of the people who he's going in harms way for. He deserves to have the true story told. Do you know how many Silver Stars have been awarded since the the GWOT began? Probably not, because the everyday heroism goes unreported. How about how many schools have been opened, power plants repaired or other improvements for the Iraqi people? Did you know that the Iraqi infrastructure was pretty well shot before we invaded? Saddam spent most of the money that he didn't loot for his family and supporters on the military. Things like power plants, water and sewer plants, things that we take for granted were neglected.

Perhaps you should experience some of these things first hand before you decide what is and isn't demoralizing? PM me, I'll put you in touch with a recruiter. Do a tour and then come back and tell us how you feel.

Jeff
 
Thank you Jeff, very well put. And thank you for your service and good luck and Godspeed to your son, I hope he returns to us safely. I too am an infantryman and have served in Iraq, so I know where you're coming from. People that don't see the things we've seen can never understand what the true cost of freedom is. I think this saying puts it best, "For those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know." Every day I think about my time in Iraq, and it sucked. But you know what, I know we made a real difference while we were there, and the rest of the troops still are. We opened abandoned schools, helped the local water treatment facility get back on it's feet, and were working with the electric plant to get back on a regular schedule. All this on top of everything else we had to do. I was there for the elections and had the privelage to see the peoples faces that day, how happy they were. It was like for the first time, they really had hope in their lives. It was amazing.
 
Two generations of politicians and pundits suffer from their avoidance of military service. They speak of war in ignorance and view our troops — whom they quietly despise — as nothing more than tools of their own ambitions.

Men like Cheney, Wolfie, Scooter, Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and all those other chickenhawk cheerleaders for the war.

the American left is waging its campaign of support for Islamist terror

Utterly absurd.

Bush's war was has lost majority support as one rationale after another collapses under the weight of cold hard facts. Peters wants to argue with "the left."

General William E. Odom opposes the war as a "strategic error." Does Peters think that Odom is a "leftist" who "quietly despises the troops"?

Astounding that anyone could take his bull???? seriously.
 
Right or wrong we made the mess now we should help clean it up. The closest analogy I can think of is if someone destroyed the most reviled police department you can think of and then just left to allow the criminals run rampant. No matter what you thought of said PD’s policy it would still be the moral responsibility of the attacker to restore order. Would the terrorists who attack us do it? No, but then they have no respect for the rule of a just law nor the people they claim to fight for. If the USA is going to set ourselves up as the world’s police force then we must do it well and with the highest possible standards of conduct.
 
Cirtizising the troops and focusing on the negative IS supporting the opposing forces.

Let me tell you a story.

Christmas time 1992, I was stationed in Camp casey, Korea. I hadn't heard from my family or friends for a while and I was a bit down. I went to the USO to chill out and catch a movie or two. While there I saw a big pile of letters addressed to "Any Soldier." As I thumbed through them I realized that most were from elemntary school classes where they must of had an assignment to send holidy greetings to troops.

There were alot of kind words said and some even sent class pictures. I asked the USO gal for some paper and a pen and spent the next few hours sending responses back. It was actually enjoyable and put a smile of my face. Alot of the kids had fun questions about Korea and what life was like in the military. I answered with as much integrity and honesty as I could keeping a young audience in mind.

It was going good untill I came across one from some jr high school in Ohio. This letter was written as a massive war/military service protest. It explained that they just got done learning about the Vietnam conflict and how bad we lost. They went on to question the motives and accused every soldier of being "blood thirsty." I couldn't believe what I was reading and was absolutely dismayed that a teacher would support such a stance.

This one letter negated the posative effects that the dozen or so I had just read before it. I became severly depressed and could not take my mind from it. To make a long story short, I spent the next few days on a drinking binge and ended up in massive amounts trouble for it. I had serious motivation issues to the point command sent me to counseling with the chaplin.

In the end I worked it all out and I now realize that the class was guided by somone so jaded that they could not take another persons feeling into account before they acted.

The troops moralle can be and is directly affected by people's opinions back home. If all they hear and that thier buddies are getting killed and how terrible we are losing and how most of the people do not support what they are doing, thier moralle will suffer and they will not be a focused on the task or as motivated as they need to be. That will cost lives of our troops and therefor supports the forces against them.

People that have not served have no clue what it is like to be in uniform, to be far away from home, and be unsure why they are doing what they are doing but doing anyway.

They need support, weather or not you agree does not matter, what they need is to know that you support them and are proud of what they are doing.

Telling them you support them by "bringing them home" is not support. All that does is say they will get killed if we do not get them out of there and to a soldier on the ground, that is failure and failure is one of the worst feelings a troop can have.
 
Between the NY Post and the NY Times,which paper has had all the scandels about it's reporting? The Times has a big credability problem.
Thanks for a good post.
 
All this crap started with the left in Vietnam. They and the great MSM used the body count and pictures of dead soliders as propaganda aganist the war. They do not give a rats A-- about the soliders. Ever since the media and the citizens have been taught to view the soldiers as children and misued by the government instead of warriors. :cuss:
 
javafiend said:
Bush's war was has lost majority support as one rationale after another collapses under the weight of cold hard facts. Peters wants to argue with "the left."
:banghead:

You've got to be kidding me! Do you see how the mainstream media covers this? Last week when the Iraqi's voted on a constitution, how much did the mainstream media cover that? The day was filled with reports of how the 2,000th serviceman died in Iraq, who is going to get indicted in the Bush Administration... I don't think I have heard 1 positive story from the MSM about the war in Iraq.

Look at the coverage Cindy Sheehan got - the MSM just gave her a mouthpiece for her wild-eyed anti-war message, and didn't bring out the truth - that she is using her son's death to further a political agenda. She met with President Bush once before, and she had nothing but good things to say about him the first time. If you listen to what the MSM says, you would think Bush is snubbing a grieving mother who "just wants to talk to Bush."

As a local radio personality observed, the media & the anti-war left did what the NVA & VC couldn't do in Vietnam - defeat our troops. They are trying to do that again. That's called treason.

For all of you ex-military people on this board, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE!
 
Smuggs said:
Right or wrong we made the mess now we should help clean it up.…

You are absolutely right. Though I opposed the conquest of Iraq, I think the occupation should continue until the job is done.

~G. Fink
 
People that have not served have no clue what it is like to be in uniform, to be far away from home, and be unsure why they are doing what they are doing but doing anyway.

You are right: I know nothing about wearing a uniform. I've only been to a few other countries as a "service-brat" and that was long ago. What I do know is this: If I am unsure of something, I don't do it.

Same as now? "Yup." I have no desire to support our Imperialist and "World Police" global dance party as crashed in Iraq. I, also, have no issue with keeping solid, SOLID tabs on how many folks have been killed due to this lapse in national judgment. Yes, facts can be spun: but they're still facts. :(

They need support, weather or not you agree does not matter...

With respect, I vehemently detest this idea.

the media & the anti-war left did what the NVA & VC couldn't do in Vietnam - defeat our troops. They are trying to do that again. That's called treason.

What is the quashing of political resistance to state policy called? "Puh-lease." The ongoing use of the word treason on this board is becoming lame as a catch-all to demean any effort to question our inept global policy.

All this crap started with the left in Vietnam.

No. All "this crap" started with the United States using an invasive military arm as a global police force. The issues you refer to, specifically in Vietnam, started when Kennedy approved "military advisors", not when John Q. determined -- rightfully -- that such was a bad idea.
 
Ezekiel said:
What is the quashing of political resistance to state policy called? "Puh-lease." The ongoing use of the word treason on this board is becoming lame as a catch-all to demean any effort to question our inept global policy.

I'm not talking about "political resistance to state policy". I'm talking about actively seeking to undermine support for the war by misrepresenting & distorting the facts. In short, lying about the situation in Vietnam, and now Iraq.

I have no problem with the media asking tough questions of our elected officials, or even our soldiers. What I do have a problem with is when the reporting is clearly one-sided and agenda-driven, and the protestors are not interested in the truth, but in achieving a certain outcome - demoralizing our troops & encouraging the enemy.

By the way - this is the definition of treason:
Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
A betrayal of trust or confidence.


I think what the media and the anti-war left are doing qualifies as treason.
 
We have to reshape the Middle East.
Really...? Where is that in the powers delegated to the federal govt in the constitution?:confused:

Well, anyrate - good luck :rolleyes: We are certainly reshaping it, but I don't think anyone is going to like the result.

I didn't think much of invading Iraq in the first place, but I naively trusted Bush and thought he had better information than I did. But it turns out his information was all just lies.

I have the greatest respect for our servicemen and women, and I am certainly not a pacifist (be slow to draw the sword, and slow to sheath it).
 
I will absolutely give credit where it is due: your post stands as one of the more reasoned and thought out responses to a knee-jerk theory broadcast by me. Thanks.

I just do not think that reporting a number can be lying (and, thus, does not support treason). Yes, numbers can be spun, but WIA, KIA, MIA -- as opproved by military doctrine -- is quite factual. Indicating that there would be less American deaths in Iraq "if we were not there" seems coldly logical.

As for "demoralizing our troops and encouraging the enemy", well, I just think such is a bunker mentality. I just don't see that as the direct emotional state of folks, like me, who think an ad hoc invasion of Iraq wasn't brilliant.

"...especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies..."

Really, the opposition is not even CLOSE to this definition. This strikes me as right-wing and radical "tin hat stuff". Sort of like Watergate: "If the President does it, it cannot be wrong. The opposition is treasonous!" When you catch someone shipping arms to Iraq -- oh, wait, someone look into the 1980s White House -- then I'll buy treason.

"I think what the media and the anti-war left are doing qualifies as treason."

And I do not, but I still value your reasoned opinion.

I won't stipulate as to what I believe the Imperialist pro-war and Crusading radical right is doing... :uhoh:
 
I'm not talking about "political resistance to state policy". I'm talking about actively seeking to undermine support for the war by misrepresenting & distorting the facts. In short, lying about the situation in Vietnam, and now Iraq.
For what it's worth, I think there is a concerted effort by the media to misrepresent the real conditions in Iraq.

I have friends currently living and working in Iraq as telecom contractors. They both tell me that Iraq is generally peaceful and safe. They both agree that Bagtdad is a better place to raise a family than any of our big cities. They tell me that the Iraqi population generally hates the terrorists. They don't like the fact that the American military is needed in their home country (who would?), but they recognize its necessity and appreciate the sacrifices our soldiers make. Iraqis LOVE democracy, and show a stronger sence of civic responsibility than Americans do.

When they first arrived in country they were shocked. They were expecting the dangerous, vicious third-world hell hole the media consistently described to the American public. What they found was the exact opposite.

The doom and gloom and failure story the media keeps parroting is absolutely wrong. It is so far from the truth that the only possible explanation is negligence. (Unafilliated reporters such as Michael Yon confirm this.) It can't be a simple error, or a difference of opinion. Their reporting is simply too far removed from the reality of things.

Dunno whether this qualifies as treason. But it sure as hell isn't honest.
 
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