Expressing yourself obscenely

[Oleg Volk]

When signing up at THR, each person read and signed an agreement to mind the language used in this forum. You know as well as I do that, in addition to the discussions we have for our own benefit, we also present a showcase to the lurkers and fence-sitters (and we do have one lurker per two registered users). Word filter will catch a few terms, but it is not the solution nor should it be the solution.

Using faintly disguised obscenities with creative or phonetic spelling basically shows disrespect for your hosts. We are here voluntarily, including the moderators and the forum admins, because we are trying to maintain a forum worthy of the tradition started on TFL. Why show such lack of appreciation for the venue we provide?

If it is not deliberate disrespect for the others, then it could be the inability to express a thought without spicing it indiscriminantly with foul language. That's not offensive as much as it is pathetic. While strong words have their place and time, a public forum in which polite conduct has been requested is not the time or the place for them.

Please consider my request seriously.

 

[MLH]

Well said. Should be at the top of every forum for a while so everybody can read it and learn that the forum is better when we are polite.

 

[41 Redhawk]

Amen and thank you.

 

[DeltaElite]

Well said Oleg.

If you can't write it without cussing, then maybe you need a thesaurus or to write it later once you have calmed down and thought it through.

 

[Edward429451]

I think Oleg and the mods deserve our respect and cooperation on this issue. 'inadequete vocabulary' is not anything they can reprogram, thats up to us.

No slam on TFL, but (for some reason) THR seems to be moderated better than TFL was. They let some pretty voiceferous threads stay open in the face of political correctness and I for one respect this. Some things need to be discussed, however uncomfortable an issue for some. In return for this reasonableness, its a small request to keep the dialog clean.

Dictionary.com for those who dont know. Cross referencing the word takes you to the really good words...Keep digging.

 

[cuchulainn]

Well, if we're on the topic of appearing mature and civilized in front of fence-sitting lurkers, then I'd suggest that Oleg's advice ought to be extended beyond cussing. Specifically:

Use of offensive terms ... saw the term "wetback" used this week.

Ad hominem attacks against our political opponents ... "Rosie's fat" "Sara Brady is ugly"

Glee at the misfortune of our political opponents ... Jokes about Brady's cancer.

Statements that make broad negative generalizations about groups of people, especially races. From a thread this week: "[Affirmative Action] isn't applied to Asians because they arn't loosers and whiners like some other people I won't specify." Not specifying the other races who supposedly are "losers and whiners" doesn't change the fact that this is a blatant racist attack.

 

[Viking6]

cuchulainn makes a good point. I've probably been guilty of the same but there are some things that are as offensive as foul language. But we're starting to slip towards stifling discourse and I feel myself once again sliding into ambivalence. But for now, I'm satisfied with the rules as stated and again appreciate the forum supplied by Oleg, et al.

 

[cuchulainn]

But we're starting to slip towards stifling discourse

No we aren't. Discouse can occur with 100% efficiency while still avoiding what we have suggested be avoided. When we start suggesting that certain topics are off limits, then we will be slipping.

And for the record, I can recall at least one thread where I was guilty of an ad hominem attack against Michael Moore, so no one should take this as me being self righteous.

Edited to add: Besides, I'm not saying my suggestions ought to be rules. I'm just giving advice for appearing mature in front of the fence-sitting lurkers.

 

[Gordon]

Oh oh, obvious stuff is easy, but is hell or damn considered cussing? What about "screwed or friggin"? It's gonna be real hard to be "sensitive" to political opponents or destroyers of the American way of life, BUT being a nice guy I could try. And with plenty of grace from Oleg and Preacherman I think I can make it and not feel insipid.

 

[SteyrAUG]

Oleg, I am guilty of this in the past and will probably (without malice) unintentionally do it in the future.

But in light of your post, I will make a dedicated conscious effort to comply.

Might I make a suggestion. Full-Auto.com is a no holds barred free forum. If anyone feels to need to express themselves in a less than dignified manner (ie. Rant, complan or just pee and moan) then that forum is availabe.

Any member here may consider themselves duly invited to our forum. If anything I post here is out of line please PM me and I will square it away post haste.

Thanks for the forum here.

 

[cuchulainn]

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It's gonna be real hard to be "sensitive" to political opponents or destroyers of the American way of life

It isn't a matter of being "sensitive." It's a matter of appearing mature in front of fence-sitting lurkers.

I don't care if Brady gets upset when a THRer laughs at her cancer(*). I care about how it makes gun owners appear to those who are not sure whether to support us.

(*) as if she'd know about it.

 

[bogie]

Oleg, be honest with us - in your last experience with a Steyr AUG, didn't you at least once?

(explanation: Oleg caught a piece of brass...)

 

[Edward429451]

No we aren't. Discouse can occur with 100% efficiency

...if we excercise an adequete vocabulary.

Not specifying the other races who supposedly are "losers and whiners" doesn't change the fact that this is a blatant racist attack.

Not necessarily. Maybe sometimes. Other times, maybe the orator is simply expressing frustration through personal experiance with a particular race of people.

So if I live in a neighbrohood that inhabited by predominently _________ people, I've been mugged by the same race people many times, my experiance would tell me that ___________ people are not to be trusted and lack of time and vocabulary leads me to express it in a way thats unflattering to said people, then that makes me racist? Get real. Its not my fault that ___________ people have chose to accost me and force me to distrust/dislike them in general. Stereotyping is based on experiance and does not make one racist, it may in fact save your life one day. Racism exists but not as often as they would have you beleive.

 

[Betty]

Word filter will catch a few terms, but it is not the solution nor should it be the solution.

Using faintly disguised obscenities with creative or phonetic spelling basically shows disrespect for your hosts.

Y'know Oleg, I feel like I've spent most of my time on THR editing out thinly disguised obscenities. They're like crabgrass. More keep on poppin' up every time I edit one out.

 

[ruger357]

Point taken.

 

[TallPine]

What about "SHTF" threads and "POS" ? We all know what those mean

Personally, I tend toward cute euphemisms like "organic fertilizer" etc.


edit: Oh, and "jackass" is a male donkey, and if you have ever been around one much, you will know why the term is applied to some two legs.

 

[PATH]

I think that if we imagine ourselves in polite company it becomes rather obvious what one may or may not say.

As I recall the use of acronyms was okay at TFL but Oleg and Co. have the final say on this here. I think vulgarities throughout a post are what is problematic such as F**k(firetruck), S**t(spit), etc...
We all know what these mean but they are vulgar and gratuitous. I concur with the moderators on this!

We are representing the shooting community and I think we should be a G to GP rated board. Kudos to Oleg and the staff on their fine work in keeping this board civil!

 

[rock jock]

Expressing yourself obscenely

Based on the title, I thought you were going to offer pointers.

 

[spacemanspiff]

no kidding rockjock. the least he could do is teach us how to swear in russian.

 

[JohnBT]

Dern tooting. I want to curse at the Professor across the street in a language she understands - cuz English ain't getting it done. Commie-loving idiot.

I really want to ask her how the recent trip to Cuba went.

Just kidding. I don't really want to talk to her at all since she told my neighbor to take her flag down and keep it down.

John

 

[dairycreek]

My congratulations on this thread!

I am much impressed by both the thread topic and the general tenor of the posts. I agree that the sentiments that the cuss words, disguised acronyms, etc. are intended to convey more often than not don't get the job done. Further they tend to identify all of us at THR as being without class. We can all try harder to communicate better. I'm sure going to try to do that. Good shooting

 

[Mal H]

Gordon brings up a good point:

Oh oh, obvious stuff is easy, but is hell or damn considered cussing? What about "screwed or friggin"?

The first two of his examples are mild (by today's standards) curse words, not obscenities. Personally, I don't even blink at those and in fact use them when posting, rarely, but I do use them nonetheless. Don't worry about them.

"Screwed", even though it has a few obscene definitions, is a common word used to mean "messed up" or any of a hundred other synonyms.

The last one is indeed a disguised obscenity. There are plenty of words that can replace it that aren't.

 

[Oleg Volk]

I am not telling you that an inoffensive paragraph as used on THR can have no more than two of the following, a flash hider, a magazine with more than 10 rounds, a bayonet lug, a wind-speed indicator or a coffee maker. I am asking that, overall, we keep the discussions BOTH civil and non-vulgur. Is that a lot to ask?

In other words, use your judgement and err on the side of good manners.

 

[TallPine]

Unless it was a "pre-ban" post, right ?

 

[Wildalaska]

the least he could do is teach us how to swear in russian.

I can do that for you...and in Japanese too..shall I start a thread?

Statements that make broad negative generalizations about groups of people, especially races.

I join in my dislike of those threads, except looney right wingers and the French