extreme cold weather vs plastic pistol parts?

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I love my new Beretta 92A1. But it does have a plastic trigger, safety, and mag release. They sell steel replacements.

Question, are plastic parts such as a trigger, susceptible to damage in extreme cold? I mean minus 30 or 50. I'm imagining plastic parts are not found in true military issue weapons except maybe the magazine follower which all seem to be plastic nowadays.
 
Unless they put metal triggers on European Glocks, there are a WHOLE lot of military issue pistols out there with plastic triggers.
 
Dude, you live in SoCal. Extreme cold to you is anything below 70. :rolleyes:

Seriously though, Denmark issues the Glock 20 to the Greenland Patrol, so I doubt there's anything to worry about.
 
What about "military issue" rifles like the M16 and M4? There are a fair amount of polymers in those rifles.

The Nylon 6/6 standard fracture testing is often performed at -30 degrees Celsius. The material is still not too brittle at those temperatures.
 
You know, it's not like hardened steel likes getting knocked around at those temperatures, either :rolleyes:

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List looks incomplete, but it has to be the first or second most popular pistol in the world (vs CZ)

A closer look will show CZ pistols to be extremely rare except in a handful of 3rd world countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CZ_75

There are many different types of plastics. The ones used in firearms is not the same plastic used to make soda bottles. Many plastics are tougher than steel.
 
Glock shooters; plastic parts....

As noted, Glocks are in regular use in a few places with extreme weather; Alaska, RA(Royal Army, UK), NATO, etc.
I, too, would think plastic or polymer parts would have problems in cold weather but many Glock owners/military shooters say other-wise.

Id also heard Beretta USA used many plastic parts in the 92/96 pistols. My last 96D purchase was a LE surplus(Shelby County TN) Brigader in 2007. I don't recall that model having any plastic parts. :confused:

For details about Glocks see; www.glockbooks.com or www.customizeyourglock.com .
 
But it does have a plastic trigger, safety, and mag release.

Touch a magnet to all three of these and prepare to be surprised. Read KeithR's post for the reason why.
 
I have done a fair amount of training at the Army Mountain Warfare (VT) site and have been to the Arctic Training Center (AK). Beretta are very resiliant to cold weather as most of that firearm is metal. There are certain places on an M4 that need to be taped such as the handguards (if you don't have rails), pistol grip, and buttstock to prevent cracking.

Lubrication is a huge factor in weapon reliability in cold weather. Standard CLP derived formulas will freeze in very cold (-40F) weather. Miltec makes a synthetic dry lubricant, but it is pricy in large bottles.
 
Most of the polymers in use in firearms are blends of nylon. The Remington Nylon 66 was put on the market in 1959, HK produced the VP70 pistol and had polymer furniture for the G3 by the early 1970s, fuel tanks for cars came out in 1974, Gerber started making knife handles in the late 70's, and it's what Glocks and Pmags use, too. Formulas and additives make it what we see today.

The Nylon 66 was popular in Alaska, plastic fuel tanks are in cars used there and in Canada, Magpul doesn't limit use of their mags to warm weather only. If anything, there has been more development to make it heat resistant for automotive use. That's been a bigger area of concern. Cars have had polymer manifolds for a decade or more. No big deal parking them in Minnesota and worrying they will explode if it backfires on a cold frosty morning.

Salomon uses Zytel in their ski boot bindings - this stuff gets used in a lot of things we don't even pay attention to, and it's already been in use by consumers for decades.

Plastic stocks don't sponge up moisture to soak the frame underneath for weeks at a time, and plastic sheaths don't have tanning chemicals in them to bleed onto the blade and ruin it. Nylon knife handles don't swell up, dry out, and loosen like wood or leather, and plastic mags don't set up electrolysis with brass casings when stored for months in a humid trunk the way steel or aluminum does. It's precisely the reason we did move to composites in combat weapons - they do a much better job in rough environments.

Don't stress over it being plastic, it's exactly why guns are still affordable. If anything, the stuff is extending the service life of weapons far beyond previous expectations because it's not decaying or contributing to it. What obsoletes a lot of weapons these days is progress in dynamic designs, not the plastic. Wood and steel were bad enough.
 
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