Wareagle92893
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First, allow me to add my view as a Southerner now residing in SoCal who has done plenty of sales w/ Mil ID customers, and also dealt w/ Ruger customer service. I'm assuming the California laws are what piss you off (same here).Herrwalther, I'm speaking strictly from experience of from the three different handguns I've bought while on Active Duty from three different FFL's. Not a single one of them would accept my lease agreement as proof of residency. I'll admit having to fill out a sworn statement in addition to a 1 day fishing license in lieu of a utility bill, Cac card, and military orders was a first for me. These aren't military regulations I'm dealing with, it's satisfying federal law that I'm eligible to purchase a handgun in the state I'm residing in, since I have an Alabama drivers license, and my vehicle is registered in Alabama. I just don't feel it's right that service members have to present extra paperwork that the average citizen doesn't. If you don't agree then we will just have to agree to disagree.
I think I have an excellent Commander, but I don't think it's necessary to bother him to sign a memo, nor do want him or anyone else I don't know on a personal level involved in my personal life than is absolutely required.
Not an LCP issue ... but regarding your LGS problem, I recently took an old S&W revolver into a LGS near me - one with whom I had never done any previous business - and they agreed to send it to S&W for me for them to complete the required repairs.
Federal law states that your gun must be shipped by a licensed dealer, and then back to a licensed dealer. Your dealer just doesn't want to do that. I would find someone else to deal with.
Here's some pictures. I'll post a close up of the barrel, and you guys can tell me if you think this gun has only had 7 rounds through it.
Military members on active duty and legal aliens have special residency considerations.
A member of the Armed Forces on active duty is a resident of the State in which his or her permanent duty station is located. FFLs may accept electronic permanent change of station (PCS) orders, accompanied by a valid military identification card, to establish residency for an active duty military member of the Armed Forces.
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Military members and legal aliens may have special identification document considerations.
No additional valid identification documentation is required of an active-duty member of the Armed Forces or a legal alien if he or she possesses a valid identification document (e.g., driver’s license) that contains his or her name, residence address, date of birth, and photograph and is issued by the State in which your business premises is located. If a member of the Armed Forces or a legal alien does not possess a valid, State-issued identification document with the necessary information, you may accept a combination of valid Government-issued documents to satisfy the identification document requirement. A member of the Armed Forces on active duty may satisfy the identification document requirement by presenting his or her military identification card along with official orders showing his or her permanent duty station.
Wareagle92893 said:Herrwalther, I'm speaking strictly from experience of from the three different handguns I've bought while on Active Duty from three different FFL's. Not a single one of them would accept my lease agreement as proof of residency. I'll admit having to fill out a sworn statement in addition to a 1 day fishing license in lieu of a utility bill, Cac card, and military orders was a first for me. These aren't military regulations I'm dealing with, it's satisfying federal law that I'm eligible to purchase a handgun in the state I'm residing in, since I have an Alabama drivers license, and my vehicle is registered in Alabama. I just don't feel it's right that service members have to present extra paperwork that the average citizen doesn't. If you don't agree then we will just have to agree to disagree.
I have also used a renter's agreement for residency at multiple locations. It also varies largely by state. There was only one place where a rent agreement did not work, and that was in NY.
Yes KWC +1 for military fellas buying out of their "home state". All that is technically required is your Military ID & PCS Orders. Some gun shops in California don't understand the basics of how ATF and CA DOJ laws mesh here and they err on the side of pleasing Cal DOJ 1st. The ATF has much simpler rules. At my gun shop we never sweated an ATF inspection, but were always annoyed by the CA DOJ Firearms Bureau pinheads. Ah well, need to move the heck to Montana soon!!!In its quick reference guide to FFLs, the ATF spells out the requirements for proof of (1) identification and (2) residency.
Most residents can use a single government-issued document to meet this: their driver's license. Military members may use a combination of two documents, their military ID card and a copy of PCS orders. This reflects existing U.S. statutes and legal rulings from the ATF.
In my opinion, producing a copy of my orders is far easier than changing residency and obtaining a driver's license from every state in which I am stationed. It's worked for me over 26 years of active duty service (and counting). If your FFLs give you grief, show them page 6 of the guide and the reverse side of the 4473 and hopefully they'll adapt.
Link to guide: https://www.atf.gov/file/58676/download
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+1Hold onto that gun until you get to your new address, then call ruger for a shipping label. I think you'll probably get a new pistol.
kwc said:The instructions for completing the 4473 require that any documents used to verify residency are government-issued. So unless you are renting from the government, a lease typically would not be sufficient.
The easiest document to provide for residency is a utility bill with your name and address in the state. Has worked for me buying firearms in 6 different states. Do governments run utilities? Nope. If your utilities are part of rent, they will be outlined in the agreement. I bought my very first firearm with nothing more than a cell phone bill in hand.