Fair test or not: Colt 1911 .45 ACP

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I do think what Military Arms Channel did in terms of testing is interesting, I would not do that to any of my firearms. And, what you learn, is that if you add enough dirt or mud, your firearm will malfunction. The US Military has a test to requirements philosophy, I have found from those who worked on Foreign Military Programs, that some of those European militaries have a test to failure philosophy. The US philosophy is to buy what you need, but that has to be doable. Anyone can insist on requirements that nothing can pass, and spend a lot of tax payer money in the process. I recently had a discussion with one of them, in this thread : Machine gun Oiler? https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/machine-gun-oiler.838074/#post-10859432 and the guy, is of all things, an Army Ordnance Test Engineer. He insists that it is reasonable to hand to the troops, firearms and ammunition, that are both 165 F and expects the troops to handle the weapons and fire the ammunition. It would be interesting to determine if the men in the burn room would still have full confidence in his leadership.

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Testing to fail is valid, in that it tells you the conditions at which the item failed. If operation in the normal world is too stressing for your device, maybe it is not a good device. But, you can always create a test sequence at which something fails. And that is what we are seeing in these video's.

You have to understand what is achievable by state of the art. Industry knows what their weapons will do. Any buyer who puts out a procurement package that is "no bid" by industry, because the requirements are way beyond state of the art, is an idiot wasting everyone's time.

Now if the MAC guys were more than just consumers, lets say they are actual manufacturer's. Can they make a product that passes their tests, and, this is the big one, will they sign off on a contract that guarantees delivery of a product that will pass their tests? This is the ultimate Money Talks, BS walks. If they are held legally liable for the non performance of their product, I will bet, their tests won't be so rough.
 
Everything mechanical will fail given the proper amount of "care" to do so - one just have to push it hard enough. Such "tests" give us just a tiny fraction of the whole picture - for example, Glock pistols. It failed in Tim's (MAC) "tests", it failed InrangeTV (the prOn aficionado) mud "tests" compared to a Luger P08 (!!!!!), but yet this is a pistol that saw real combat and proved itself reliable, it saw extensive (quite abusive actually) LEO use in the US and again proved reliable... And those Glock pistols just keep on running. Despite the fact, that they are proven inferior to the almighty Luger P08. And that the same almighty pistol failed miserably in the hands of numerous poor common users that did not have a clue just how almighty it is actually.

P.S. And I don't even like polymer framed striker fired guns - just give me an all steel SA pistol and let me go my way. But yet I acknowledge the fact, that a sh...y polymer framed gun, despite it's obvious (aesthetic) shortcomings, can be a good, solid gun. And still fail an YouTube mud test....
 
Does this truly mean the 1911's time has come and gone?

Not going to waste 22 min of my life watching the linked video but if it was done and gone, you wouldn’t have everyone and their brother making the things.
 
P.S. And I don't even like polymer framed striker fired guns - just give me an all steel SA pistol and let me go my way

Bud of mine, when his Special Forces son deployed to Africa, killing "Kony's" ( Lord's Resistance Army), son took an all steel M1911 that his Dad gave him. Couple of reasons, a 45 ACP to the shoulder would get the Kony spinning down, and then Son could place a bullet in the Kony's head before the Kony hit the ground. And Son had found, that when he hit a Kony, with a plastic frame pistol, the frame would snap off. An all steel M1911 was a much better persuader.

The stories about Kony's show them to be cruel and pitiless. Kony's would cut off feet of little children and laugh at them as they crawled away. Anyone caught riding a bicycle would have their legs and buttocks cut off. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...n-you-kill-for-the-first-time-you-change.html Great entertainment for these guys. Stuff like that.
 
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