klutchless
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My single opinion is lend him the gun Its better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6 and im sure your brother feels the same.If you would shoot in defense of him I think you should allow him to shoot in defense of himself.
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Jeff F
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This thread reminded me one of my cousins has one of my gp100's that I lent to him over a year ago. I feel a road trip is around the corner.
leadcounsel
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It costs what, $50 to ship and FFL transfer a handgun? Lend or give him $50 to have his grandma send one of his to him.
It'll take like 3 days.
In the meantime, provided there's no legal prohibition (same state, he's not prohibited, etc.) and you're confident he's not a fool or gonna act a fool, either lend it to him or sell it to him using a bill of sale (to further remove yourself from potential liability). Then buy it back when his gun gets there.
It'll take like 3 days.
In the meantime, provided there's no legal prohibition (same state, he's not prohibited, etc.) and you're confident he's not a fool or gonna act a fool, either lend it to him or sell it to him using a bill of sale (to further remove yourself from potential liability). Then buy it back when his gun gets there.
slowbutsure
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Brother means family. Lend, sell, or provide money (to buy his own). Sbs
Arkansas Paul
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I'm with you.
unless the brother is a felon or otherwise prohibited....which his mailing off for a ccw seems to preclude i would hand him a gun in a heartbeat no questions asked....
** even if he was a felon i probably would give my brother a gun if asked.....tho would be one with no paperwork of course....and while its not legal and i don't advocate doing so ...certain situations call for certain laws to be overlooked IMHO
but in ur case wouldn't give it a second thought other than might not get the gun back if used in SD against the ex....
but seriously if ur worried about not giving ur high priced guns go to ur local walmart with ur brother and hand him 200 bucks to buy a maverick 88 for 187+ tax ....
or hit up ur local pawn shop and find a single shot 12ga for 80 bucks or so....
** as to what ur brother does with the gun that's his responsibility and NOT ur problem.....
but would much rather visit brother in jail until he got cleared on gun charges than attend his funeral....
** even if he was a felon i probably would give my brother a gun if asked.....tho would be one with no paperwork of course....and while its not legal and i don't advocate doing so ...certain situations call for certain laws to be overlooked IMHO
but in ur case wouldn't give it a second thought other than might not get the gun back if used in SD against the ex....
but seriously if ur worried about not giving ur high priced guns go to ur local walmart with ur brother and hand him 200 bucks to buy a maverick 88 for 187+ tax ....
or hit up ur local pawn shop and find a single shot 12ga for 80 bucks or so....
** as to what ur brother does with the gun that's his responsibility and NOT ur problem.....
but would much rather visit brother in jail until he got cleared on gun charges than attend his funeral....
dirtykid
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If alleged attack "may' take place at his residence, what's wrong with loaning him a pump-shotgun or something you wouldnt feel bad about losing should it get caught up in "evidence" locker? I would try every thing legal to counter-act his aggression,A camera dosent lie and can "prove" to police he's harassing them, Make sure he/she state's to police they are in FEAR for their safety because of his actions,, each state is different and i've found most lawyer's can "twist" things to work in their favor,,
I agree completely.
mgmorden
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This. Maybe it's just southern-bred "blood is thicker than water" talking, but if my brother came to me and said he needed a gun for protection he'd have one within however much time it took me to go grab it from the safe - probably the best I could muster up too. Heck he's already got my best hunting rifle (though it's not for protection).
All the talk about disclaimers and liability etc, realistically, is not going to be a problem for a justified shooting in a legally sound state. The "DA out with a vengeance" - looking for any and every loophole to get a person defending themselves convincted - is largely internet legend. If it's a good self-defense shooting it most likely will not even go to trial. Either way though - family is family. If he needs it he gets it, whatever the consequences might would be.
This isn't about guns, it's about bad life decisions.
We're wiggling on an issue already recognized: If you trust him, loan/give him one. I think the better option has already been mentioned - visit the folks and retrieve any needed items.
Lets look at some indicators: She has an abusive relationship prior, not the best decision making on her part. This indicates once the situation is resolved, she could easily dump him and move on. I think the brother is being used, and I think the OP suspects it.
He's fresh out of service, and to put it politely, hungry for a relationship, which she conveniently made reality at just the time she needed during a breakup with someone that was a mistake to know. His belongings are somewhere else, which means he's not settled into where he currently lives, certainly not in a trust relationship.
A footloose agent who's protective services are currently convenient. I don't see much good coming out of this. Bad boy may need jail time, but being an intervention agent in his resolution may lead to a higher cost than she's worth.
Drive to Mom and Dad, leave the brother there. Where's her family in all this? I suspect their lack of participation has a reason, likely a long history of her behavior.
We're wiggling on an issue already recognized: If you trust him, loan/give him one. I think the better option has already been mentioned - visit the folks and retrieve any needed items.
Lets look at some indicators: She has an abusive relationship prior, not the best decision making on her part. This indicates once the situation is resolved, she could easily dump him and move on. I think the brother is being used, and I think the OP suspects it.
He's fresh out of service, and to put it politely, hungry for a relationship, which she conveniently made reality at just the time she needed during a breakup with someone that was a mistake to know. His belongings are somewhere else, which means he's not settled into where he currently lives, certainly not in a trust relationship.
A footloose agent who's protective services are currently convenient. I don't see much good coming out of this. Bad boy may need jail time, but being an intervention agent in his resolution may lead to a higher cost than she's worth.
Drive to Mom and Dad, leave the brother there. Where's her family in all this? I suspect their lack of participation has a reason, likely a long history of her behavior.
MaterDei
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Why doesn't he have his own gun??? If he sent off for his concealed permit doesn't he need a gun anyway? Your post suggests that he has a job, he should be able to provide for his own defense.
mgmorden
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Tirod: You're jumping to a lot of conclusions there. Most often abusive relationships don't start out that way. 90% of the time the guy goes bad after some amount of time is past. Indeed, it's often thinking back to the "good times" prior to that that keeps many girls in abusive relationships for longer than they should. That said, since it wasn't said we have no idea how long she stayed with that guy after the abuse started, or even if she did. Heck for all we know that situation may have been just WHY he was in prison. Sorry, but blaming the victim here just doesn't sit well with me.
You also seem to be saying a bit much about his brother's personality and relationship dynamics without knowing enough details. IMHO, as I said, just jumping to conclusions.
MaterDei: It was stated in the original post that the brother owns guns, but that they're stored at their grandparent's house which from the sounds of it is a fairly good distance away. Depending on state though you don't necessarily need a gun to get a concealed weapons permit. When I went to my class there were people that didn't even own a gun that got the permit - they rented a gun from the store that class was held at. At least in SC (and I'd guess in many/most other states), there is no requirement to specify which gun you intend to carry when applying.
You also seem to be saying a bit much about his brother's personality and relationship dynamics without knowing enough details. IMHO, as I said, just jumping to conclusions.
MaterDei: It was stated in the original post that the brother owns guns, but that they're stored at their grandparent's house which from the sounds of it is a fairly good distance away. Depending on state though you don't necessarily need a gun to get a concealed weapons permit. When I went to my class there were people that didn't even own a gun that got the permit - they rented a gun from the store that class was held at. At least in SC (and I'd guess in many/most other states), there is no requirement to specify which gun you intend to carry when applying.
tinygnat219
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If the brother isn't a complete and utter knucklehead, then the gun is in his hands, or we're down at the local gunshop for him to get his own. See, most of my guns are older models that have goofy ammunition that's not readily available. He might like something chambered in a modern caliber like 9MM.
357mag.
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Did'nt see what state you are in,but here in michigan it would be illegal to loan a hand-gun to anyone (unless your bro had a CPL)so I would not do it.I would however offer any one of the 6 shot-guns or 4 rifles I own.
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You know your brother better than us, if he is on the level and the threat is real get him a gun by any legal means. If he is a knuckle head tell him to straighten out his life before he gets involved with trying to fix someone elses.
We all have family that doesn't deserve our unquestioned trust, I'm just saying try to figure that out first.
We all have family that doesn't deserve our unquestioned trust, I'm just saying try to figure that out first.
mgmorden
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Always a wise move to check state laws, but my gut feeling is that such a requirement is fairly rare. IIRC Michigan has some fairly strict gun laws compared to the rest of the nation.
Then again, my state (SC) is pretty lenient. I'd wager that if it weren't a federal requirement we wouldn't even have NICS checks.
Surprised this thread is still going. Anyway, he had JOKINGLY asked about it over the phone. He has sense been offered any of my weapons. Guns are tools to me, my brother is my brother. What I wanted was to find a way to cover my ass anyway, if he asked me straight out I wouldn't hesitate. But he didn't, so I was preparing if he did.
Maybe I worded it poorly, who knows. But this thread can get locked and deleted as soon as people start talking about my brother's choices in women. I specifically stated in my first post that was NOT the subject I needed help with
Maybe I worded it poorly, who knows. But this thread can get locked and deleted as soon as people start talking about my brother's choices in women. I specifically stated in my first post that was NOT the subject I needed help with
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