Fantastic read on the Communist Left.

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Hi. I read This Thread on GlockTalk and found it amazing. Original source is listed on GT as being http://www.fredoneverything.net/ I asked for a direct link and will post later if I get it.

Absolutely worth your time.

Enjoy!



On the principle that leprosy is more fun if you understand why your fingers are falling off, permit me a few thoughts on Karl Marx, his witless theories, and our descent into a Disney version of them.

Marxism is a stupid, and almost comically wrong, hotchpotch of nonsense by a man who had little grasp of humanity, politics, or economics. He is an economist whose theories invariably lead to impoverishment. As a claim to greatness, this would seem defective. He is a major figure for the same reason that Typhoid Mary is-for damage done rather than intelligence exercised.

(Bear with me. This is not boilerplate denunciation of all things leftist. There is actually a point coming.)

Further, the errors of Marx were not of detail. They were fundamental. For example, he expected workingmen to unite. Instead, WWI showed that, with monotonous regularity (and perhaps questionable wisdom), their loyalty went to their countries. He thought that revolution would come in industrialized nations with suitable proletariats. Instead it came first in creaky agricultural countries, and never did come where he expected it. He thought that European economies would never give rise to the liberal democracies that seem today to be what everyone wants. They did.

In short, he was a crackpot. He was, however, either a crackpot who had correctly calculated the manipulability of the congenitally angry, or just lucky. No one, ever, has been responsible for as much death and brutality as Karl Marx. It wasn't what he had in mind, not consciously anyway. But it is what he caused.

It is what Marxists always cause. With perfect predictability, Marxist states are police states. The chief trait of the workers' paradise is that the workers all want to leave, and must be kept in with machine guns and land mines. In divided countries like Korea, we have what approach being laboratory experiments. South Korea is a high-tech industrial power. In North Korea, they eat grass and, occasionally, each other. If Korea is a geographical example, China is a temporal one: As soon as it began to abandon Marxism, it began to progress.

Marxism is a proven disaster. And Marxists know it. Elementary history is not a secret.

All of this would be of academic interest only, if the same spirit, under other names, were not so very active in America today. We see it in a variety of disguises. When Russia practiced censorship, we called it " censorship." Here, we call it political correctness. You still have to look over your shoulder before saying the wrong things. The difference is…what? In Russia, Marxists preached class warfare. Here they preach multiculturalism. The difference is…what? The Russians, unable to speak openly, passed around samizdat. We have the Internet. The difference, other than efficiency, is…what?

Our domestic Marxians are journalists, academics, racial professionals, multiculturalists, bilingualists, radical feminists, and educationists. Most of them lack the intelligence and schooling to know what they are helping to do. (I think the phrase is "useful idiots.") The leaders, as for example in the universities, do know. They are less lethal than Lenin and Trotsky, but their direction is the same.

The key to understanding them is the recognition that Marxism is not a system but a mood: a grim, implacable, vengeful hostility toward the surrounding society. Its devotees are haters. This distinguishes it sharply from normal European democratic socialism. One may debate whether, say, Sweden is too socialist or not socialist enough. Yet Swedish socialism is not evil. Marxism is.

At its heart are (1) a desire for total control of everything, including of thought (2) a willingness to compel obedience by any means whatever, (3) an unconcern with economic reality and thus with material well-being, and (4) a contempt for humanity ("the masses"). It is simply resentment politicized, aimed not at helping the downtrodden, but at hurting the uptrodden.

Now, people who viscerally realize what is going on often want to debate with our Marxians. It is a mistake. Economics is not a mathematically verifiable subject. Politics also being imprecise, it is easy to argue for or against any position until the debate dissolves into murk. A case can easily be made for communism, or Nazism, or democracy, or Catholicism, or atheism, or paedophilia.

Instead, you have to remember at who they are, what they are. They are people who want to bring down ambient civilization.

This explains what might otherwise seem to be contradictions. For example, radical feminists, very Marxian in spirit, denounce imaginary discrimination against women in America, but say little about compulsory clitoridectomies in African and Moslem countries. This makes no sense if you believe that they want to benefit women. It makes perfect sense if their goal is to create division with an eye to destroying America.

Or note that the hard left talks endless about mistreatment of blacks in America, but conspicuously does not urge things, such as better schooling, that might help blacks. Why? Because (1) they do not really care about blacks, except as political tools, and (2) if blacks prospered, they might join the middle class and cease being usefully divisive.

Similarly, for Latino children our Marxians advocate bilingual education, which has a proven record of hindering the learning of English. Why? Latinos who spoke fluent English would marry people named Ferguson and become Americans. So much for class warfare.

And this is why Marxists, everywhere denouncing oppression, invariably practice it. There is no contradiction. They have no objection to oppression. It is central to their purposes. (Name a Marxist country that isn't oppressive.) Denouncing it is just politically expedient.

The last thing they want is for backward countries to flourish and become liberal democracies.

Tactically, they are on solid ground in America. The United States always having been successful in assimilating groups, the Marxists needed to reverse the process so as to have class warfare. They couldn't use the usual proletariat because it had moved into the middle class. They consequently needed to promote or invent new divisions. They did. It worked.

Black against white was an obviously useful fault line that the hard left didn't invent but has carefully cultivated.. Opening the southern border amounted to importing a divisive class. Setting women against men was remarkably successful. Fanning homosexuals into hostility provided yet another serviceable resentment. The emotional terrorism practiced against boys is school (cops-and-robbers is violence), hate-speech laws, the punishment of dissent (as for example by being fired) are all the Soviet Union writ small. So far.

We will, I think, do nothing about it. Leprosy and docility are an unfortunate combination. But interesting.
 
OUTSTANDING! The unfortunate side of this is that the slow creep has been happening in the US for quite some time now. It will take literally generations to undo the damge.
 
We've gotten so used to his principals that we can no longer escape these.

I am reminded of that when I hear a "conservative" defending income tax, or government-operated schools, or any given pet redistribution method.

Just as man was escaping kings, Marx gave us the intellectual "gifts" that we were not property of a king; but of all other men (as opposed to ourselves).

Thanks Karl Marx!
 
Excellent article, Drjones!

The phenomenal effectiveness and tenacity of Marxism is due to the outlet it provides for the worst of the seven cardinal sins: envy.

It makes the envy that most would otherwise try to hide -- RESPECTABLE!

Under the guise of compassion for the poor, the oppressed, the underdog of whatever breed (pun intended), Marxism allows the envious to spew their hatred of those who achieve and who provide these Marxists with everything they need to live in comfort.

They get to indulge their envy while taking the high moral ground.

And since success in life takes self-discipline, intelligent planning, prudence and hard work -- the successful will always number fewer than the losers.

Marxism allows the losers to vent their hatred and to attack the productive -- those who keep everything going. That's why they love egalitarianism and hate individualists. That's why they excuse the poor as "less fortunate" and denigrate the successful as "lucky".

Given this psychology of envy, which is itself as old as man, Marxism will always be with us, in one incarnation or another.


We need to be smart enough and tough enough to prosper, in spite of them.


Matis
 
Zak:

That is an excellent read as well! I printed it out and am reading it now!
 
matis:

More fundamental to marxism's success is not envy; but the inability of its opponents to present a principled defense.

You mentioned they take the "moral high ground". This becomes a euphemism by which one validates that the core principle of marxism, that one owes something to his fellow man, is a good thing.

One cannot really oppose marxism without rejecting its moral basis. While one can complain about any given manifestation, this must be done halfheartedly, with a line like: "Yes, you are good for wanting to steal to help the cheeldrun; but I just don't like how you're doing it."


Battler.
 
You can probably take it back further, but there's a subtle split between the philosophies of John Locke and Jean Jacques Rousseau.

They both use a "general will" to describe the consensus of the group of people who have relinquished some of their natural rights for civil rights in a civil society.

The difference is that Locke believes the government’s purpose is to protect the rights of the individual, more or less, via the general will. Rousseau, on the other hand, believes that the government’s purpose is to protect the general will, even at the expense of the individual. It’s actually a little subtler than that.

The problem is that people, like Robespierre, Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Hitler, etc, come along and play up the individual’s subordination to the general will while ignoring the rest of what Rousseau had to say, which was quite similar to Locke.

When you read Marx, Lenin, or the works of any number of social revolutionaries, you see that advocate anything that will weaken or destroy a non-socialist government. Lying, cheating, sabotage, are not bad, rather they are a virtue when the target is capitalism. If it means simply being contrary to what a capitalist country wants, that’s all good.

Another thing that’s interesting, which meshes with the last paragraph, is that prominent revolutionaries are often involved in whatever peace movement that is opposed to their target. One that comes to mind is a Vietnamese communist that was heavily involved in the Paris peace movement during the Franco-Vietminh war. Tang was involved in the 1946 revolution prior to his Paris activities, then joined the NLF (Vietcong) upon his return, and rose to become the NLF minister of justice. He wasn’t opposed to war, he was opposed to capitalists at war against communists.
 
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Marx.shtml

Fred's great. The only reason I used ot pick up the Army Times was to read his columns. Then he "browned" off the brass enough that they dropped him.
I consider him to be "The Anti Hackworth", i.e. he isn't full of himself. (Funny Hackworth would fall into the same trap he crucified SLA Marshall for.) Then again, Fred was a USMC Amtrack driver in 'Nam, maybe that's the diff...
 
Battler...

Battler said:
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More fundamental to marxism's success is not envy; but the inability of its opponents to present a principled defense.
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We're on the same side, Battler, but on this point we don't agree.

You used the word, "fundamental" whose root is the same as that of the word, "foundation". We must deal with the foundation -- that which the philosophy is built upon, before we can deal with anything else about it.

How it's opponents react is already SECONDARY, NOT fundamentel.

Marxism succeeds in gaining adherents because it uses a cover of compassion and justice, thus allowing one to feel good about oneself -- while giving covert vent to one's envy, which few want to admit to.

To be FUNDAMENTALLY successful, a philosophy has to resonate with our basic human nature.

So that's where we disagree.



OTH the point you make about the lack of a principled defence put up by opponents of Marxism is IMO VERY valid and VERY important.

And this is because the Marxist gets cheap and unearned access to the moral high ground. Marxism seems to be about freeing people from oppression and about fairness and justice -- and they love to attack success as greed. For these reasons and also because no one is immune to feeling envy at least sometimes -- this is how they take the high ground.

And this is how they intimidate their opponents.

That's why Ayn Rand is so valuable in teaching the truth about self-interest, which we are usually taught to think of as selfishness.

In order to successfully oppose Marxism, we must rise to the level of truth about our own self-interest. We need to stop pretending that self-sacrifice is good and self-interest bad. The irony (and the joke) is that pretending that self-sacrifice is good and self-interest bad -- this position is itself taken out of self-interest. It's an easy way to make oneself look good and the other guy bad.

Until WE develope and learn to defend without apology our own philosophy of freedom, we cannot succeed in countering the Marxists.



Matis
 
I do not think you disagree with me. (Unless your disagreement was over the point that YOU are unable to make a principled defense against Marxism - on that point it sounds like I was wrong).

The propoganda against self-interest is overwhelming - anyone who is attacked as "selfish" must back down in horror. One difference, though, many marxists ARE truly self-less. They defer their thinking to someone else, and they quite often DO seek their own destruction as well (although perhaps detecting that they are strong enough to survive a small act of self destruction, e.g. the Warren Buffett types). Without a few selfish acts daily you will die, too, I guess - unselfish IS anti-life.

Now, in explaining these terms to the layman, espousing self-interest and criticizing self-sacrifice is overwhelmingly difficult.

One barrier to knock down the correlation between those who work to help others, and those who steal to help others. This fraud is used by marxists to try to look like charitable people, and to make charitable people buy into marxism.

I like to explain to them that their charity or work to help others is not a sacrifice but an exchange of values. You give the hungry man the food because you value him not being hungry. Self-sacrifice would be if you throw the food in the fire. I don't need to bore you explaining the horrors of when people can sacrifice others.
 
All Marxism needs to be successful is for all people to be perfectly honest, altruistic, informed, and interested only in the common good. In other words, it's a lot like (some branches of) Christianity. It just doesn't work with real humans.

The reason capitalism works is that it's based on a much more realistic model of human nature. Unfortunately, those very human natures make pure capitalism unsustainable over the long term. Market forces tend to concentrate wealth, leading to social unrest and other social problems.

Marx was right in noting that the "contradictions" within capitalism will eventually bring on crises. But he didn't realize how much reforms short of socialism could mitigate the effects of the market. I don't think he or any other socialist theoretists realized that representative governments could be used to regulate the excesses of the market.
 
What excesses of markets? Monopolies?

Monopolies are the efficiency point of any industry. The company can only be sustained through selling stuff people will buy. . . . the alternative we have to monopolies is either socialism (monopoly run by bureaucrats), or fascism (effective monopoly as the sub-companies are operated by bureaucrats).

Monopoly is manifest usually not in one company ruling the world; but companies consolidating into one to sell a product that people do not care to pay much for.

However, a real-world study of monopolies over time is tempered by new developments - both in old products that people either don't want or would not care to pay much for/aren't that interested in, and new products.

There have always been companies that people feared would achieve the (apocalyptic?) monopoly. Said companies from any given era probably aren't around any more.

Perhaps this will be touted as the success of antitrust laws; but it usually occurs in industries in which there are price pressures.

The "solutions" to capitalism are corruption - where someone gets a government agent to cripple his (better) competition.

Regardless of what happens, one day there will be no microsoft, or if there IS a Microsoft it will be about as prominent as Bethlehem Steel, as what people wish to pay big money for will be some as-yet-to-be-discovered industry.


Battler
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Malone Laviegh...

Excesses of the market?

You mean like gulags?

Like the difference between East and West Germany? Was the Berlin wall built to keep people out of their marxist workers' paradise-- or to keep their slaves in?

Like the difference between North Korea, where they are (literally) eating grass to try to stay alive and affluent South Korea?

Like Pol Pot's murder of all professionals, business men,
teachers -- even anyone who wore glasses (because that meant they were intellectuals!)?

Like the Communist Chinese who condemn people to be executed (by the thousands) and then sell their organs to the highest bidder?

Like ALL communist regimes who kill people for trying to escape to the land of "market excesses'?

Which market excesses were you referring to exactly, anyway?


Matis
 
I dont' know about you guys but I work on my marxmanship pretty much weekly.

The closest thing I've seen to a real "worker's paradise" is Costco. Not exactly what Marx envisioned but I think he'd like the bulk rice and the cheap chicken bakes.
 
Longeyes said:
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The closest thing I've seen to a real "worker's paradise" is Costco. Not exactly what Marx envisioned but I think he'd like the bulk rice and the cheap chicken bakes
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Sure, Longeyes, easy for you to say.

But are those chickens bourgoisie or proletarians?





Matis
 
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