Federal EFMJ

[inthelineofire]

Does anyone know where I can find some of the Federal Expanding Full Metal Jacket rounds?

I have searched online and have yet to come across any sites that listed this round as "in stock."

Any advice/help/discussion of this particular round is welcome in this thread.

Thanks!

 

[yaonttwo]

Try Streichers

 

[basicblur]

Ammuntion To Go shows 40 only in stock (think if it's shown on the site, it's in stock).
As somebody said-Streichers lists 40, 45, 9mm, but I couldn't tell you if they're in stock.
Which calibers are you looking for?

 

[Mot45acp]

ammoman.com has some in .40

 

[Manco]

One nice thing about .40 S&W is the availability and diversity of self-defense ammo, which is undoubtedly fueled by the caliber's popularity in the law enforcement community. Unfortunately, my guess would be that the OP is looking for .45 ACP, based on the OP's posting history (hint: stating the desired caliber would be helpful ).

 

[Ringer]

What caliber are you looking for?

 

[bigfatdave]

I get mine at gunshows in 50-round boxes, I've had little luck finding it online myself.

 

[Purgatory]

Just out of nosiness, what is your intent with EFMJ?

Just checkin' it out or do you live where JHP is illegal?

I saw some numbers somewhere that seemed to show less expansion than conventional HP's and read some reviews that seemed to back that up.

Sorry, no hard data.

But they did seem to very reliably open up almost on contact.

Think there's some Youtube footage of their performance.

Again, no link.

Anyway let us know what caliber. I couldn't find 'em anywhere in stock either.

 

[bigfatdave]

reliable expansion
possible better feeding on some guns that can't feed HP rounds well
some concern with winter clothing layers and clogging (although modern HP designs expand fine after multiple denim/terrycloth layers)

 

[inthelineofire]

Sorry for the delayed response... I've been kept at the office more than I bargained for.

Anyway, I live in NJ if that answers your questions regarding JHP.

I currently have the Critical Defense Horandy bullet.

I am looking for cal .45.

 

[valorius]

EFMJ is not legal for use in NJ, so far as i know. Then again, neither is Hornady Critical defense so far as i know either.

Aren't all expanding bullets verbotten there?

 

[mpow66m]

Ilive in NJ,last i lkew they were legal.Not cosidered HPs.Ill ask the Police,have to go there fri.

 

[valorius]

I would do that. I was told by someone or another that EFMJ was no go in NJ. I had asked because i live in Pa, and there may be a time where i find myself transporting an unloaded and secured sidearm through the state, but with a loaded mag on my person "Just in case."

At any rate, NJ's hollowpoint ban is stupid beyond comprehension.

 

[Purgatory]

Yeah, they keep doing things, gun-related that make absolutely NO sense.

D.C., complete ban on guns, highest murder rate.

N.J., no HP's which are much safer for avoiding collateral damage from over penetration and MUCH more effective for stopping a threat.

Cali, more gangs (Mex Cartel, Biker and street gangs) than anywhere=higher probability of being attacked by multiple assailants-so you can ONLY carry 10 rounds in a mag.

-Wouldn't want you to actually survive.

I sincerely think that anything that may extend your life; proper healthcare, chemical-free water, foods and sweeteners free of carcinogens, and our last line of defense being firearms-are just not in the best interest of the upper tiers of govt.

If it keeps them from thinning us out, it's not good for business.

Gotta love 'em.

 

[basicblur]

EFMJ is not legal for use in NJ, so far as i know....Aren't all expanding bullets verbotten there?

Not a NJ expert, but unless something has changed since I bought my EFMJ (shortly after being released), the EFMJs were designed for places where hollowpoints were not allowed. They're designed to function like hollowpoints, without being hollowpoints.
I remember reading a number of articles way back where NJ was specifically stated as being one of the places/cases for which EFMJ was designed.

'Course, this is assuming the articles I read were correct, and that NJ has not changed the law from hollowpoint to expanding?

 

[valorius]

The NJ law is against expanding bullets, not hollowpoints as far as i know. IE, glaser and magsafe are illegal too.

If i'm wrong, someone please tell me.

 

[Chainsaw2]

Please don't take this wrong, but you've got a .45, so expanding ammo isn't as critical with you. If you can't leagally use, use what is legal. No point in getting into trouble.

jim

 

[Purgatory]

Has anyone ever heard or read any official explanation for this?

What is their stance for making this law?

Especially if the police carry JHP, what do you tell the citizens why they can NOT?

It sincerely seems ridiculous.

"We're allowed to shoot YOU with whatever we want,

but, you're not allowed to shoot ANYONE with anything BUT the least effective ammo."

This is seriously the Twilight Zone.

 

[inthelineofire]

OK... Like I said I should really check into my own thread more often.

Let me clear the air.

EFMJ is perfectly legal in NJ.

Hollow Nose bullets are perfectly legal in NJ; through exceptions. See below.

The law regarding hollow nose bullets in NJ states that, "N.J.S.A 2C:39-3f(1) limits the possession of hollow nose ammunition. However, there is a general exception that allows for the purchase of this ammunition but restricts the possession of it to specified locations. This exception provides that:

(2) Nothing is sub section f (1) shall be construed to prevent a person from keeping such ammunition at his dwelling, premises or other land owned or possessed by him, or from carrying such ammunition from the place of purchase to said dwelling or land . . . [N.J.S.A 26:39-3g (2)].

Thus a person may purchase this ammunition and keep it within the confines of his property. Sub section f (1) further exempts from the prohibited possession of hollow nose ammunition "persons engaged in activities pursuant to N.J.S.A 2C:39-6f. . . ."
N.J.S.A 26:39-3f. (1)."***

Furthermore, from my (any my attorneys) interpretation of the law, hollow nose ammunition is, in fact, perfectly legal in one's home. You are allowed to possess it in your dwelling, and transfer it to and from the target range.

There is no law preventing one from owning EFMJ bullets. They are not specifically mentioned like the HPs.

Why do I want them? Because they are known for accuracy, dependability (smooth feeding), and consistent expansion to prevent over-penetration.



***The preceding information is taken from the New Jersey State Police website, found here: http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/about/fire_hollow.html

 

[Purgatory]

Well, good, 'cause I've heard about that law from other sources as well and would hope that nobody has to deal with that.

 

[inthelineofire]

We still have plenty of B/S to deal with here.

I haven't been to a state (yet) with worse gun laws than the People's Republik of NJ...

 

[valorius]

I knew you could have anything you wanted in your house.

EFMJ doesn't work very good as an expanding round, it is definitely not up to par with true hollowpoint ammunition, and most importantly, it lacks JHP cutting petals. It will leave a very FMJ like wound tract.

I have seen several EFMJ's recovered from ballistics gelatin. It does not impress me at all, but it does expand, so it would still be better than ball.