Feedback .375 RUM
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MachIVshooter
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Quite a bit more powerful, and has the recoil to match. In my 7.5 pound 700 BDL stainless/synthetic, it is NOT a fun cartridge to fire.
I have handloaded 250 grain bullets to over 3,100 FPS and 300 grainers to 2,970. It is an extremely hard hitting round. Has the trajectory of a .270, but with twice the bullet.
It is expensive to feed; Commercial ammo is $4/round, and handloading won't save you much the first go around. Not likely to be a second loading session for years. I have had my rifle since late 2003. 6 years later, I think I've fired slightly more than 100 rounds.
I have handloaded 250 grain bullets to over 3,100 FPS and 300 grainers to 2,970. It is an extremely hard hitting round. Has the trajectory of a .270, but with twice the bullet.
It is expensive to feed; Commercial ammo is $4/round, and handloading won't save you much the first go around. Not likely to be a second loading session for years. I have had my rifle since late 2003. 6 years later, I think I've fired slightly more than 100 rounds.
berettashotgun
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IF you are buying new AND! reload your own.....pick whatever.
Please remember Ultra Mag chambered rifles require the 26" barrel to achieve roughly 200fps over the H&H with a 24" tube. The 376 styer gets real close to the H&H with 4" less barrel btw..
Reloading you own is the difference maker in identical rifles. The H&H gets the nod if you shoot more than a box of 20 per year (and don't reload). You can actually find H&H at a big retailer. Hit and miss on 375 RUM ammo. The web makes anything possible, but a time lag is there.
Ultra Mag brass or ammo is insane, I know - started with the 7mm and have a sweet spot for the 375.
Performance wise - when you remove your eyes from the paper ballistics and study real world performance reports - the 376 styer becomes the logical choice - oops! it has left the scene; a downloaded 375 H&H to about the 376 speeds ( about 150-200fps slower) is an ideal elephant loading - from what I've read.
Recoil is a result of the amount of WEIGHT of powder and bullet. The ultra mag loads you up with powder.
I've shot my 375's @ 300 yards, the H&H has the trajectory of a '06, the ultra mag is about the same as a 270. ( the 376 is about a 308 in comparison - loosely.)
They will each put the whammy on African big game.
The bigger two (seemingly) kill on one end and maim on the other.
Recoil measured is not consistent as recoil perceived - the rifle fit and stock drop have a lot to do with comfort after ignition.
Please remember Ultra Mag chambered rifles require the 26" barrel to achieve roughly 200fps over the H&H with a 24" tube. The 376 styer gets real close to the H&H with 4" less barrel btw..
Reloading you own is the difference maker in identical rifles. The H&H gets the nod if you shoot more than a box of 20 per year (and don't reload). You can actually find H&H at a big retailer. Hit and miss on 375 RUM ammo. The web makes anything possible, but a time lag is there.
Ultra Mag brass or ammo is insane, I know - started with the 7mm and have a sweet spot for the 375.
Performance wise - when you remove your eyes from the paper ballistics and study real world performance reports - the 376 styer becomes the logical choice - oops! it has left the scene; a downloaded 375 H&H to about the 376 speeds ( about 150-200fps slower) is an ideal elephant loading - from what I've read.
Recoil is a result of the amount of WEIGHT of powder and bullet. The ultra mag loads you up with powder.
I've shot my 375's @ 300 yards, the H&H has the trajectory of a '06, the ultra mag is about the same as a 270. ( the 376 is about a 308 in comparison - loosely.)
They will each put the whammy on African big game.
The bigger two (seemingly) kill on one end and maim on the other.
Recoil measured is not consistent as recoil perceived - the rifle fit and stock drop have a lot to do with comfort after ignition.
Thanks much guys you corroborated my conclusions. It looks like I may be heading back to Alaska in the spring and I ran across a sweet deal on a 700 with a 26 inch Shilen barrel for 549$ ( unscoped) , contemplating picking it up and letting go of my .338 mag ,primarily for bear protection while running trapline and taking moose and caribou for the larder. Though my 7mm mag works for the latter two , I'd be handloading of course and obviously it wouldn't be something I'd be shooting a great deal so barrel life is unlikely to become an issue.
Was looking at .375 H and H when I ran across this deal , a lot of folks are utilisng the .416 mag for the same purpose but I don't much care for the .416 , and frankly I may look at the .375 rum as a 200 yard gun and just go with open sights , as you likely well know a scope is well nigh useless in a close encounter with a brownie. In a previous encounter I had to stop one with a handgun ( .44 mag Blackhawk 300 grain Hornady XTP over 21 plus grains of ww296 , three rounds all head shots) and if I'd had anything in my bowels I'd have crapped a diamond , my personal rules have always been no tobacco and no fires on my trapline , but tell you what , afterwards I *had* to set down and make a fire , brew some tea and roll about five cigarettes in a row.
I'll likely just go up with the 7mm mag the .375 ultra , a shotgun a .22 and two Redhawks ( one 7.5 one a custom 3 1/4 inch) , that's enough to have to pack into where I'll be ( about 10 miles off the Richardson Hwy).
Once again thanks very much for the feedback.
B.
Was looking at .375 H and H when I ran across this deal , a lot of folks are utilisng the .416 mag for the same purpose but I don't much care for the .416 , and frankly I may look at the .375 rum as a 200 yard gun and just go with open sights , as you likely well know a scope is well nigh useless in a close encounter with a brownie. In a previous encounter I had to stop one with a handgun ( .44 mag Blackhawk 300 grain Hornady XTP over 21 plus grains of ww296 , three rounds all head shots) and if I'd had anything in my bowels I'd have crapped a diamond , my personal rules have always been no tobacco and no fires on my trapline , but tell you what , afterwards I *had* to set down and make a fire , brew some tea and roll about five cigarettes in a row.
I'll likely just go up with the 7mm mag the .375 ultra , a shotgun a .22 and two Redhawks ( one 7.5 one a custom 3 1/4 inch) , that's enough to have to pack into where I'll be ( about 10 miles off the Richardson Hwy).
Once again thanks very much for the feedback.
B.
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I prefer the .375H&H, but that is mostly due to nostalgia, the .375Ruger is another option. As others have noted it requires a long barrel to have any advantage. There is also a pretty good increase in recoil, without too much of a difference in practical use. It is a bit flatter, but the .375H&H is comparable to the .30-06 (with the same type of projectile). It is also a beast to reload for as it consumes a great deal of powder and bullets aren't cheap either. It is my opinion that if a .375H&H won't do the job (and a relatively flat trajectory is desired) the .416 is the next logical step.
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I'd stick with the .338winmag. Load it with some 250gr Swift A-frames. Remove the scope and put on a good reciever sight with large twilight aperture and a fire-sight type front sight.
My choice is a rebarreled Mauser MkX in .338/06 loaded with the 250's. I'm getting 2,600fps and it holds 6rds (5+1). Have yet to install the iron sights, but will before heading back north for the flying/hunting/fishing season. I've got it in a Hogue stock which improved the accuracy somewhat and attenuated the not-too-bad recoil, and finally getting around to lapping the Adams&Bennet barrel worked wonders. Last two groups (3-shots ea.@100yds) were .775"ctc. with two in one-hole, and .335" c-t-c, with all three in one-hole. (using the Hornady 250gr spt for load development-saving the Swifts). (I've had/got a Leupold VariX-II 50mm 3x-9x w/hevi duplex on it for load development).
I've had the action/rifle since '75 and killed my first deer with it in '76. Need I mention that the action is smooth as butter......
Terminal performance difference between the .338 w/250gr and .375 w/270gr will be near indistinguishable, and vastly better than the pistol round. (my "handgun" is a Ruger RH/sts 5.5" in .45lc with 315gr WFN @ 1,200fps).
Given that; be sure to keep some coffee and tobacco on hand. I've never had to shoot a bear in sd, but, my first shoot out with a felon was much like your bear encounter.
I was in the Walmart at Talkeetna in June. They had a Savage Weather Warrior Stnl/syn in .375H&H w/Williams Iron sights for $779.00. It had "GuideGun" laser etched on it, but can't remember where. I can't find anything on this rifle, and didn't get a chance to go back and see if they still had it. It would be nigh on to perfect for what you want.
My choice is a rebarreled Mauser MkX in .338/06 loaded with the 250's. I'm getting 2,600fps and it holds 6rds (5+1). Have yet to install the iron sights, but will before heading back north for the flying/hunting/fishing season. I've got it in a Hogue stock which improved the accuracy somewhat and attenuated the not-too-bad recoil, and finally getting around to lapping the Adams&Bennet barrel worked wonders. Last two groups (3-shots ea.@100yds) were .775"ctc. with two in one-hole, and .335" c-t-c, with all three in one-hole. (using the Hornady 250gr spt for load development-saving the Swifts). (I've had/got a Leupold VariX-II 50mm 3x-9x w/hevi duplex on it for load development).
I've had the action/rifle since '75 and killed my first deer with it in '76. Need I mention that the action is smooth as butter......
Terminal performance difference between the .338 w/250gr and .375 w/270gr will be near indistinguishable, and vastly better than the pistol round. (my "handgun" is a Ruger RH/sts 5.5" in .45lc with 315gr WFN @ 1,200fps).
Given that; be sure to keep some coffee and tobacco on hand. I've never had to shoot a bear in sd, but, my first shoot out with a felon was much like your bear encounter.
I was in the Walmart at Talkeetna in June. They had a Savage Weather Warrior Stnl/syn in .375H&H w/Williams Iron sights for $779.00. It had "GuideGun" laser etched on it, but can't remember where. I can't find anything on this rifle, and didn't get a chance to go back and see if they still had it. It would be nigh on to perfect for what you want.
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Thousands?mjyeagle said:
MachIVshooter said:
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I really want to know if anyone has done a custom .375 rum for long range shooting/target? anyone ever shoot it past 500-1000yrds accurately?
I was thinking of making a affordable .375 chey-tac out of a .375 rum......but with....50 less grs of powder!
I think with a longer 28"-30" barrel and custom projectiles,it can be a awsome large caliber,long range round.
I was thinking of making a affordable .375 chey-tac out of a .375 rum......but with....50 less grs of powder!
I think with a longer 28"-30" barrel and custom projectiles,it can be a awsome large caliber,long range round.
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Now that's a thought. I've been thinking of building a Sendero equivalent in 375 RUM, only with a longer bbl ~ 28"-29". It'd be a lot to lug around but no more than my 338/378 and it'd make a rompin' stompin' plains game, or anything else, rifle.
4k rounds with a chambering like that is a lot. That's usually indicative of judicious shooting practices and a good bbl. My hat's off to you. I got about 2000 rds through my first Shilen 338/378 bbl before the accuracy fell off to where I wasn't happy with it anymore. Still shot pretty darn good, just not as well as I would've liked. I kept it though for possible set-back and re-use later on.
4k rounds with a chambering like that is a lot. That's usually indicative of judicious shooting practices and a good bbl. My hat's off to you.
I got about 2000 rds through my first Shilen 338/378 bbl before the accuracy fell off to where I wasn't happy with it anymore. Still shot pretty darn good, just not as well as I would've liked. I kept it though for possible set-back and re-use later on.
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Those are published loads (Sierra fifth edition)
96.8 grains IMR-4350 with the 250's and 99.2 grains RE-22 with the 300's.
Energies with those loads are 5,350 and 5,800 ft/lbs, respectively. Remington factory loads are pitiful. Handloading mitigates the difference between the RUM and the .378 Weatherby. And it is substantially more potent than the venerable H&H (on both ends).
It is a very well balanced cartridge, for those who are willing to tolerate the recoil and can use the energy. I got mine for my eventual trip to Africa (gonna be a long time, I reckon). It's also good at the range for proving to tough guys that they aren't that tough
A 26" barrel is an awful lot of barrel to be packing through the bush and on snowmachines/quads etc. A shorter barrel rifle like a Ruger Alaskan in .375 Ruger or a chopped Mauser action .375 H&H makes a dandy package for going through the bush and is good for most of the ranges that you'll be shooting at.
i have a model 700 rum w/28in barrel with about 700$ in custom work GET YOUR TRIGGER TO A MUCH LIGHTER PULL that was my biggest improvement and the cheapest! i can shoot to about 600 yds but i could go farther w/more practice i wish somebody would make a 240 gr match bullet for 375 go for it my 375 is my favorite
i agree wiht you 100%
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