Feeling kinda left out of these new whiz-bang discussions?

[Varminterror]

You aptly summed up my reaction to your own post in two words:

So what?

 

[redneck2]

For whatever reason, some people seem to think it’s an either/or. Just because there is an improvement doesn’t instantly render an older version obsolete and ineffective

A blunderbuss was better than a bow and arrow

A flint lock was better than a match lock

A percussion cap was better than a flint lock

I have no idea why guys think it’s a contest and feel the need to defend their choice

 

[Howland937]

I have no idea why guys think it’s a contest and feel the need to defend their choice

Reassurance? It's kind of a "with me or against me" mindset a lot of times these days.
As for me, I'm in favor of the bridal approach. Something old, something new, something borrowed...probably even something blue in there. I like it all. But I still prefer blued steel and checkered walnut.

 

[marksman13]

To be honest, all these cartridge debates are getting tiresome. It’s like arguing about our favorite flavors of ice cream. I went to the range this morning and had several cartridges represented (6.5x55, 308 Win, 6.5 Grendel, 6.5 Creedmoor, 300 Win Mag, 257 Roberts and 257 Weatherby Magnum). If older cartridges get your rocks off, shoot those. If you like the more modern stuff, shoot those. If you don’t know what you like, try them all until you find your favorite. It really doesn’t matter what anybody else thinks about your choice.

 

[Woolecox]

My choice for hitting deer way out there is still my trusty old custom 7mm Rem Mag. I hunt in places that if you get a shot at a good deer at 500 yards and under, you better take it. So, you, your rifle, and your ammo have to be capable of ethical shots at that distance.

But for a PRS competition, its my Impact Precision 6mm Creedmoor. This rifle is three times as heavy as my hunting rifle and the scope is 3 times as powerful. It just depends on the task at hand.



For home defense, I choose a carbine SBR suppressed with a good weapons light in 5.56 NATO. 30.06 Might be a little overkill.

 

[George P]

I find 5.56 overkill in room distances, but what do I know? Too loud, too much flash, too much penetration

 

[taliv]

Impact Precision 6mm Creedmoor.

what color stock is that?

too much penetration

please, not this again

 

[Demi-human]

Too loud, too much flash, too much penetration

The first two are quite correct. I find the the latter to be lacking.


But, to the original post, one needs merely talk about their cartridge to avoid being left out. If it can be done without labeling the newer things whiz bang, newfangled, Flavor of the week, or the same as..., then a pleasant and respectful representation can be made.
That a ton of “kids” are shooting that Creedmoor thang, doesn’t negate that you can teach or talk about dispersion, loading practice and ethical hunting, just say .277* instead of .264...


(*Or the Unholy Diameter, abomination of calibers, effete and the height of ineffectiveness. Muhahahahaaaa! )

 

[Demi-human]

I don't want a scope with AC and power windows ... Never mind

Just leave them set at 4x then...

 

[Jason_W]

I think I’d take more interest if a manufacturer turned out something truly revolutionary.

For example: a .22 sized round that produces .223 performance. Caseless ammo, a rail or coil gun that matches or exceeds centerfire performance.

I don’t know if any of the above is actually possible, but it would be cool.

the advantages the 6.5 Credmore over the .260 Remington just seem kinda boring and incremental by comparison.

 

[jmr40]

The only constant in life is change. I'm old enough to have used the old time classics most of my life. But I'm smart enough to see where there are advantages to much of the newer stuff. There is room in my safe for both.

 

[mustanger98]

For whatever reason, some people seem to think it’s an either/or. Just because there is an improvement doesn’t instantly render an older version obsolete and ineffective

A blunderbuss was better than a bow and arrow

A flint lock was better than a match lock

A percussion cap was better than a flint lock

I have no idea why guys think it’s a contest and feel the need to defend their choice

The blunderbuss has more shot fired at once, but the archery is quieter and can be faster to follow up.

A flintlock is better than a matchlock... safer, for one thing. Wheellock is another comparison. Percussion caps have their place, but you don't want to run out. Maybe we should start another thread just for those in the black powder forum.

I don't know either. Some people just make a hobby out of hyping one thing to the exclusion of everything else.

 

[Woolecox]

what color stock is that?

Here is the info on the Foundation Stock. Made from micarta.

https://impactprecisionshooting.com/collections/stocks/products/mg1-dark-finish

 

[Woolecox]

I find 5.56 overkill in room distances, but what do I know? Too loud, too much flash, too much penetration

With a suppressor, there is no flash, and little noise. With the right bullet, penetration can be controlled as well. It is not the only choice, but a good one IMO.

 

[mustanger98]

Y'all ever read the original novels of "Ol Yeller" and "Savage Sam"? Yeah, Disney made those into movies. Anyhow, what reminded me was that in "Savage Sam", the guys in the rescue party got to discussing their variety of mid-1800's pre-war rifles... muzzleloaders, paper cartridge Sharps, etc. Each had a different caliber and preference of how it was loaded. Yet they had very little to argue about... other issues were much bigger.

 

[Pat Riot]

I thought The High Road was a place where one could state their opinions on firearms without others getting all snotty about it...including someone that helps moderate the site. Sheesh!

 

[sarduy]

Kinda slow this morning, so thought I'd create a bit of nonsense that might get the ball rollin'.

Lots of noise here about the Creed and other "newish" hunting cartridges. That's okay, but even "oldish" favorites can still get Job #1 done well.

I personally use the .270 "Win-nah" and .243 "Widdler" and you know what?...they still kill critters really dead...even with just one shot at the same and longer ranges than most hunters can manage.

So what? Nothing new...not much to get excited about...unless you don't have any rifles that are really capable of slammin' down that 300 yard deer in the field. That starts with the caliber choice, but soon needs to consider a great-handling rifle that is easy to carry and shoot...a great variable-powered scope that makes dawn and dusk bright and clear. And the most important part, a capable "nut" behind the buttplate!!

The deer's vitals don't really have a vote here, but really hate meeting your choice of cartridge and your delivery to them.

So relax. You don't need to get excited about exotic rounds, except to impress your buddies, should you need that ego boost. The game doesn't rate rounds they receive, because they don't have time...as long as you deliver it to the right places. And that takes practice, practice, practice.

Well spoken.
My very first hunting rifle was in 30-06 loved it. Then i went to 308, 300blk and 223. All rounds performed very well. Im now a owner of a new rifle, in 6.5cm because i want to try new things and i need it to do an specific job. Does that mean the 30-06 or any other caliber is obsolete? No heck No, I’ll take a 30-06 to hunt anything in the USA and some games in Africa.

 

[sarduy]

So I guess what I am saying, is, maybe its not the cartridge .. maybe its the platform that is shooting the cartridge.

you are 100% right.
Its the platform and not the cartridge. As much as i like the 30-06 or the 270 they don’t shot well out of a 7.5” ar suppressed like the 300blk and a sunsonic 300blk can never send a 220gr bullet as far as a 30-06 to kill that elk at 700 yards

 

[Mn Fats]

the thread title captures the essence of these debates over the past decades. it's not the people looking to improve everything that start these ego problem threads... it's the ones left out, trying to convince the pioneers that they have accomplished nothing, in order to salve their own egos.

Perfect.

 

[Weflyfast]

Personally I like the experience of building and shooting new and old calibers-
I want to know what it feels like to shoot- reload-handle- hunt with a particular caliber.... I appreciate people's opinions and experience with their firearms but I want to see for myself what it will or won't do....what kind of accuracy I can achieve... and how it performs for me-
I know guys that have one deer rifle and one shotgun and a 22 LR - and will never buy or own anything else- that works for them and if they are happy that's fantastic--- it's not me, I enjoy the ALL of it too much.

 

[mustanger98]

I thought The High Road was a place where one could state their opinions on firearms without others getting all snotty about it...including someone that helps moderate the site. Sheesh!

Well, while I know my old Mini-14 was quite accurate and I've seen no reason to go crazy over AR-15's, plenty of the AR fans here will express vehement opposition. I'm not saying their particular Mini-14's didn't have issues, but I am saying mine didn't. But watch them rant anyway.

 

[Demi-human]

I thought The High Road was a place where one could state their opinions on firearms without others getting all snotty about it...

Absolutely!
With just a little good natured ribbing among friends.
Smilies help a lot, too.
Just not with a .270... Oh! Burn!

(Just kiddin’, @Picher!
You kids and your necked down wildcats! There is nothing wrong with the 30-06!)(Even though that’s not it’s parentage.)

 

[EIB0879]

I usually start every deer season when I back to Arkansas with a 50 year old Marlin 336 30-30.

 

[KsSkaEnthusiast]

At 15, my parents chose my fate for bias with a mauser 98 sporterized to 30-06. This rifle weighs near 10 lbs naked but it made me fall in love with the classics and the classic calibers. I own a 6.5 creedmoor now in a savage axis 2 that weighs close to 7 lbs as outfitted but I'll always do the bulk of my hunting with the good old 30-06 and .270 winchester.

 

[Picher]

And so here is a question that ties right in with the "great optic" part of your post: Have manufacturers pretty much given up on producing a top notch 1" tube scope? It seems like these days if it aint 30 mm it aint nothin'

I finally got a scope with a 30mm scope tube, but didn't realize it because I was looking at the relatively inexpensive target scope for my .223. Not a big problem, once I got a new mount for it.