Fellow gun owners, ever had a gun stolen? A gun owner must read

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Hello my name is Eric Minton. My good friend had a firearm stolen November 2008. The theft occurred in the small town of Leitchfield, KY. A report was made to the local sheriff, fliers were posted and handed out in our town, as well as, the surrounding communities. An ad was placed in the local newspaper for a month offering a reward. Because my friend wanted more exposure he searched the web for a place to submit his stolen gun, after several hours of searching, he realized no such site existed.
It was that mindset that www.stolenweapon.com was created. A website designed exclusively with the victim of gun theft in mind. In order for us as individuals to preserve our rights we must take initiatives and become proactive in order to prevent governmental gun control. The major negative stigma associated with firearms are gun crimes, but as we all know guns don’t commit crimes, people do. If legislation was passed to control gun ownership it would only hinder and disarm law abiding citizens because criminals would not register guns.
Although gun recovery is difficult, it is not our websites only purpose. At the moment, a stolen weapon is instant cash for any thief, but with our websites capability it will now allow the general public to privately and easily identify a stolen weapon. This will ultimately drive down the value of these weapons; therefore, preventing and deterring a thief from stealing firearms. Unfortunately, there will always be thieves, but who would buy, trade, or sell a firearm they know has been stolen except thieves, and who likes or wants to deal with thieves. By allowing individuals to check our website for stolen weapons this will potentially help reduce crime rates, which threaten our individual freedoms to own guns.
It was explained to us that the majority of the local law enforcement agencies will not run gun checks for the general public. As we all know the NCIC exists, but it is only available for law enforcement use. Law enforcement plays a vital role in the recovery of stolen weapons and we totally support the service they provide. With over 500,000 weapons stolen annually in the U.S. alone we feel there is room for us to make a difference.
www.stolenweapon.com is completely free. It allows individuals, traders, gun shops, buyers, sellers etc….a viable, interactive opportunity to list and also search for stolen firearms. We understand that victims of gun theft (gun owners) want their personal information kept private and we respect the right to privacy; therefore, the personal and serial number information submitted by a victim is completely private and encrypted with a RIJNDAEL_256 bit encrypted string. This information is not stored in any type of readable form in our database and no one else is able to view the submitted information. If a searcher (anyone searching weapons) performs a general weapons description search without a serial number, only those weapons that match the description will show up with the state it was stolen from. The submitters (victim of gun theft) personal information and serial numbers are not viewable. If a searcher performs a serial number search and there is a positive match to the serial number in the database, then an alert is sent to the searcher that the weapon is stolen. Also, an alert is sent to the original submitter . The submitter is then free to contact his/her local law enforcement agency. Only serial number matches trigger alerts.
The www.stolenweapon.com site has been designed in a cut and dry fashion in order to keep it quick and easy. This format keeps the site accessible for everyone to use and does not distract the user from its original purpose. I wanted to get some feed back from fellow gun owners. Please know we are dedicated to serving your needs and will be constantly evolving to meet them.

Thank You,
Stolen Weapon Team/Co-founder, Eric Minton Radcliff, KY
 
First gut response was that this is a ploy for ammunition on just how many stolen weapons there are in the US. Then, I realized that the antis can just make up their numbers at will, so I reconsidered.
 
Hello Titan6 as well as everyone else,
1. the site is owned by 3 God fearing, gun loving, hunting, U.S. citizens
2. we have privately funded this site
3. I want to apologize for my ignorance but I don't know who the LEA are

I completely understand any skepticism you may have do to the political and social climate in which we live. The only thing I can do is give you the truth as I know it.
Thanks for the responses. Keep them coming, it will only help to improve the site for all of us to use.
Eric Minton
 
No it is not affiliated with any LEA. Although it has gotten positive reviews and feedback from our local LEA. The site is by no means a substitute for LEA's but simply a place for a victim of gun theft to submit a stolen weapon to allow for maximum exposure of that this gun is HOT. Helping to deter thieves. Hopefully ending in a recovery, but we all know recovery is difficult. Prevention is the best weapon against thieves.
 
So If I'm about to buy a Firearm from some one I can check the Website first to see if it has been stolen?

And if I have had a stolen Firearm I enter it in to the system, Then what happens, the police recover it and enter it to see who owns it?
 
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It's a good idea just on the off chance that a stolen gun might get spotted, but the idea that it will deter crime doesn't follow from some internet site that posts theft information.

At the moment, a stolen weapon is instant cash for any thief, but with our websites capability it will now allow the general public to privately and easily identify a stolen weapon. This will ultimately drive down the value of these weapons; therefore, preventing and deterring a thief from stealing firearms.

Thieves don't worry about these things. A police report on a stolen gun would have the same effect if this were true, but we know that doesn't happen.

Stick with the public service aspect allowing people the opportunity to identify a stolen gun when they stumble across it, but don't try to promote the site by thinking it will have any deterrent effect on crime.
 
hso, we know we will never be able to stop gun theft but a police report is not at the publics fingertips. We just feel that if there is a public place for us to share this information and people begin to refer to it, that a stolen gun could surface rather quickly. There isn't really a good market for guns that the whole world knows is HOT. As it stands right now, how are we supposed to know? Your point is well taken and we dont expect to work any immediate miracles on the rate of gun theft, but we do feel it could make a difference down the road. Thanks for your reply.

Aaron Crowder
Founder / www.stolenweapon.com
 
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A couple of thoughts:

1) Register the .org domain and put the site there (mostly for credibility issues).
2) Is the list of stolen guns searchable? If not make it so that if I'm buying a gun I can enter the make, model and serial number and see if its been reported to your site as stolen.
3) Make your WhoIs domain information public ... I just don't trust ANYONE asking me for personal information that has their domain registered via Domains By Proxy. You posted your name here, so its obvious you're not too afraid of people figuring out who you are.

Only reasons to keep your domain registration hidden is if you're an anti gun group pretending to be on our side, a criminal organization or worse the Fed.Gov.

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Oh and:
4) add a line where you can enter the police report number (or maybe a short "comments" section).
 
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Thieves don't worry about these things. A police report on a stolen gun would have the same effect if this were true, but we know that doesn't happen.

The gun buying public has a lot more eyes than LEA's. Crooked pawn shops are one of the most popular places for thieves to fence stolen weapons. Civilians never had access to NCIC, so we would never know. But with a site like this, we can find out and, if a pawn shop has been knowingly selling stolen goods, they'll be in a heap of trouble.

There's a similar concept that recently hit the tool industry (us mechanics included) called micro dots. 1.3mm micro-printed polymer specs that are epoxied to a tool, with the information linked to the tool owner. If this system becomes widely used and pawn shops figure it out, they'll be less likely to buy tools from someone who can't prove they're the owner. Is it foolproof? No. But it's a step in the right direction.

Since (nearly all) firearms already have serial numbers, and since they cannot be legally resold if it is removed, if this stolen weapon registry becomes widely used and well known, pawn shops and other "gun laundering" (for lack of a better term) oufits will quickly learn to make sure they're not recieving stolen property.

aaronc:

Why the "ex. 12 gauge/.38 caliber notation" on the form?

Mod's:

Lets retitle this thread appropriately and sticky it. This is an excellent idea, and all of our members need to be aware of it.
 
I am kind of neutral on this one. In that I am not sure I would use this service.

Suppose I have gun come up stolen and report it on your site. Miracles happen and the gun is recovered. I just broadcast my weapon description and serial number to the entire world. What do I do to get it off the www?

Also how do I know that some unfriendly group is not downloading the information for some twisted purpose? You might take measures to protect your database but what are you going to do when a liberal judge issues a court order for the VPC?
 
I have some questions:
How do you protect privacy?
It is a form of firearm registration, but after the firearm is stolen. Now there is civil liability to the victim. Suppose your data base is subpoenaed. What then?
 
One suggestion, don't call it registration. there is very few things that gun owners hate more than gun registration. What is your recovery record so far?
 
MachIVshooter: YOUVE GOT IT, Great responses. Sticky sounds good. We were just trying to give examples of different description searches with the ex.

Titan6: The site is so encrypted that it shouldn't matter if they did get it, they would not be able to retrieve any info. And the serial number is never seen we cant even see it or retrieve it. If you think you may want to use the site but still have tech questions or concerns feel free to contact our tech guy for more reassurance through our website at the contact page.

Harve Curry: If the database was subpoenaed we ourselves wouldn't even be able to give them any other information than you can view from the site now, because of the encryption.

shotgunjoel: You are definitely correct do not call it a registration. THE SITE BY NO MEANS IS A REGISTRY. Our recovery rate is null do to the infancy of the site. But firearms all across the great USA are coming in.

MachIVshooter has hit the nail on the head.

I hope that helps, KEEP SUGGESTIONS AND COMMENTS COMING AND SPREAD THE WORD.
 
The problem I see is malicious data input.

A bored ex-wife, family member, etc., or some retard reading serial #s from photos on sites or auctions.

The only way I'd find a site like this halfway credible was if it was run through or endorsed by a major organization and had safeguards (CC required, ID verification, etc) in place.

As it stands it's a neat idea on paper but so deeply flawed it's more of a liability than anything else IMO.
 
rfurtkamp: I can see your concern with malicious data input. Unfortunately we will always have dishonest people to deal with. But the same can be done in person. A bored ex-wife, family member, etc., or some retard reading serial #s from photos on sites or auctions could also report it stolen to the local police.
I will say this once the serial numbers are submitted into the website, they are encrypted and they can only by submitted once.
It seems to me that if ID verification and major safeguards were required, you would be talking more personal info. which may evolve into more of a national registry. What gun owner wants that! Bottom line, this site should serve as the go to place in order to quickly and easily check if a gun is HOT and give maximum exposure for a gun theft victim, instead of the only option of placing adds in local circulated newspapers.
Thanks
 
But the same can be done in person. A bored ex-wife, family member, etc., or some retard reading serial #s from photos on sites or auctions could also report it stolen to the local police.

They do that and it's got a huge paper trail and is criminally actionable.

The generic random internet site has no such protections, and that's what makes the site different.

It seems to me that if ID verification and major safeguards were required, you would be talking more personal info. which may evolve into more of a national registry. What gun owner wants that!

That's your catch-22. Without it, you're victim to people frankly not trusting or knowing who you or your site is. With it, you get the tinfoil hats.

Add to it the fraud or malicious stupidly possibilities and it's where I'm just generally skeptical.

Best of luck, but you've invested money in a stinker of a project IMO.
 
Suppose I'm a bad guy, and I've just stolen a gun. What is to prevent me from entering it into your database, and later using that fact as proof of ownership? Since 99.9999%+ of the US population is unaware of the existence of this database, it is highly unlikely that the gun's real owner would be aware of this situation.
 
im a newb, but iin the past ive had guns stolenmore than once, had sn# they were easy ones like 0175 or 8636, never recovered,,,,, i love the idea, and i signed up for his site. i also agree, more info like cc#'s would be going the wrong way. there SHOULD be a way to check, maybe there needs to be a different pathology i dunno, my support is there, or am i just stoopid? sell me one way or the other
 
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