MachIVshooter
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He was incorrect. Do as you wish, but trust me, it's straw. The wording is very explicit.
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He was incorrect. Do as you wish, but trust me, it's straw. The wording is very explicit.
OldTman
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Actually, the 4473 IS an eventual form of gun registration. When a dealer goes out of business and ships his 4473s etc. to BATFE what do you think happens to them? Do you think they go untouched into a big warehouse with signs on them "Do not ever look at these or record these"? Theygo right into a data base.
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USAF_Vet
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Any evidence of this, or is this tin foil speculation?
If I remember right they were still guys who complained venomously how they wanted their M-14s and called the M-16 a "Mattel Tinker Toy". Probably many other names not postable on "The High Road" but that name seems to be what stuck with me.
As already posted Mattel did make some of the plastic on the M-16s early on; think the pistol grip (?). That coupled with the problems that our troops were having with the newly issued weapon went hand and hand to come up with the nick name.
Congress got together due to all the complaints about the weapon and the manufacture (Colt) was told to fix it if my memory serves me right.....Same with our early air to air missiles (fire two and hope one works) coupled with not even having a gun on the F-4s made many think, "what to heck is going on"??. Later there was a rat (ram air turbine) powered Gatling gun (did not work that good) then a fully electric one, Finally!!...Nam was a great R&D center as was Cambodia and Laos for some of the Arms suppliers.
Soldiers complain yada yada but sometimes it behoves the boys in Washington to listen. Makes one wish so many did not have to die or become crispy critters before someone listens and business gets taken care of..
I will not call it work but I do help out once in a while at my FFLs gun shop and range. Most of the people I come across are very respectful and almost gentile with the questions they ask; can always tell when they are Boarder Patrol or LEO cause they don't ask much except to see if something is in stock.
I do not work there.... just end up with some of the overflow.... because IMO I am usually eating some of the best home made brownies in S. Tx. I know where they are!!.
As already posted Mattel did make some of the plastic on the M-16s early on; think the pistol grip (?). That coupled with the problems that our troops were having with the newly issued weapon went hand and hand to come up with the nick name.
Congress got together due to all the complaints about the weapon and the manufacture (Colt) was told to fix it if my memory serves me right.....Same with our early air to air missiles (fire two and hope one works) coupled with not even having a gun on the F-4s made many think, "what to heck is going on"??. Later there was a rat (ram air turbine) powered Gatling gun (did not work that good) then a fully electric one, Finally!!...Nam was a great R&D center as was Cambodia and Laos for some of the Arms suppliers.
Soldiers complain yada yada but sometimes it behoves the boys in Washington to listen. Makes one wish so many did not have to die or become crispy critters before someone listens and business gets taken care of..
I will not call it work but I do help out once in a while at my FFLs gun shop and range. Most of the people I come across are very respectful and almost gentile with the questions they ask; can always tell when they are Boarder Patrol or LEO cause they don't ask much except to see if something is in stock.
I do not work there.... just end up with some of the overflow.... because IMO I am usually eating some of the best home made brownies in S. Tx. I know where they are!!.
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MachIVshooter
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A national database is explicitly prohibited.
I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but there's no proof of it, and since anyone with inside knowledge of it would go to prison for a very long time, we're unlikely to ever see evidence if it does exist.
Rail Driver
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I didn't read the whole thread, but this part of the OP is something I'd like to address:
You CAN refuse any sale for whatever reason you wish (though if your reasons happen to be motivated by a constitutionally protected factor, you probably shouldn't say so).
Criminal investigation and prosecution requires very specific handling in order to avoid violating a suspect's constitutional rights.
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You CAN refuse any sale for whatever reason you wish (though if your reasons happen to be motivated by a constitutionally protected factor, you probably shouldn't say so).
Criminal investigation and prosecution requires very specific handling in order to avoid violating a suspect's constitutional rights.
"They come in and "ask your opinion as a gun dealer", and then argue with everything you tell them,"
I have always wondered why people ask for someone's opinion, and then argue with that person... Drives me crazy sometimes when working on some people's computers. As far as the people behind the counter at the LGS, it can vary greatly! A few trips to a store and I usually find one person I can get good information from.
Love the idea of putting targets on the ceiling or on the wall if the ceiling is high enough. I hate getting swept!
I have always wondered why people ask for someone's opinion, and then argue with that person... Drives me crazy sometimes when working on some people's computers. As far as the people behind the counter at the LGS, it can vary greatly! A few trips to a store and I usually find one person I can get good information from.
Love the idea of putting targets on the ceiling or on the wall if the ceiling is high enough. I hate getting swept!
45_auto
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Why do you think anyone would waste money putting them into a database? As long as there is no national law requiring a 4473 for private sales, there is no point in tracking any of them.
Some states or cities require "firearms cards", but for the most part this is still a free country.
Tha AFF agent comes to your door and says "Sir, this 4473 shows you purchased a SuperBlaster 9mm last week at XYZ Sporting Goods". You say "I sold it yesterday, but I don't remember the guy's name". There is no requirement that you keep a record of who you sold it to. It's just like selling an 8-track tape at a garage sale.
Now if there was a national law with penalties for NOT recording every gun sale, both public and private, it would be a different story.
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That Special Ops, SEALs, Black Ops in Viet Nam crack me up. If there were so many mean, bad men there someone explain to me why I was drafted. I sure would have felt bad if I had known I was taking some really lean, green killing machine's place.
If you want some truly amazing "stupid people" contacts try working in law enforcement.
The the one I find most mind blowing is when I contact someone for some sort of very minor violation and I'm giving them a low key verbal warning (" Hi folks that area is posted no parking so you can't park your car there" or something along those lines) and they decide to argue the point with me. :banghead: Crazy! I'm actually trying to help them NOT get a parking ticket and they want to debate the issue with me.
Those people are out there, but honestly, they are by far the exception. Most just jump right back into their car and move it.
So there is some hope for our species.
Oh and BTW when people are drunk they all become "That guy." Just FYI
The the one I find most mind blowing is when I contact someone for some sort of very minor violation and I'm giving them a low key verbal warning (" Hi folks that area is posted no parking so you can't park your car there" or something along those lines) and they decide to argue the point with me. :banghead: Crazy! I'm actually trying to help them NOT get a parking ticket and they want to debate the issue with me.
Those people are out there, but honestly, they are by far the exception. Most just jump right back into their car and move it.
So there is some hope for our species.
Oh and BTW when people are drunk they all become "That guy." Just FYI
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FIVETWOSEVEN
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Someone that works at Wal-Mart with my brother that is one of these.
Dazen
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Well said!
CraigC
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Yup!
MachIVshooter
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I never fault my customers for not knowing about their vehicles......unless they claim to be informed, profess their knowledge, and are sorely mistaken, yet unwilling to listen.
That, I believe, is what we're talking about here; Know-it-all's who know very little about a particular subject and refuse to acknowledge their clulessness in that regard.
ccsniper
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felony stupidity is a requirement to work in public office. Next time someone comes in being stupid tell em to run for office.
exavid
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Old Coot from another old coot: That Special Ops, SEALs, Black Ops in Viet Nam crack me up. If there were so many mean, bad men there someone explain to me why I was drafted. I sure would have felt bad if I had known I was taking some really lean, green killing machine's place.
That one really cracks me up! Yeah I wonder who I replaced, hope it wasn't someone competent. I often feel like going down to the recruiters just to be turned down this time.
That one really cracks me up! Yeah I wonder who I replaced, hope it wasn't someone competent. I often feel like going down to the recruiters just to be turned down this time.
yellatynot
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I work in home medical equipment so please DO NOT ARREST these people they fund so much of our operation, from the bandages and crutches sold to those whom shoot themselves in the foot to the ones who . . . well we will not go there. You could post a sign on the door stating "IF YOU HAVE A REPAIR OR PROBLEM WITH YOUR WEAPON WE WILL MEET YOU AT YOUR CAR AND CARRY IT IN OURSELVES"
doubleh
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Just post a sign at the door that says "only really smart people allowed". That will solve your problem.
Ranger30-06
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No, because then you just get a bunch of idiots that think they're geniuses!Just post a sign at the door that says "only really smart people allowed". That will solve your problem.
Dnaltrop
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A "Smart people only" sign should go right over the "No crime allowed" sign.
That being said, I can feel you neighbor. I used to sell $5000 computers in the mid 90s. I will never work retail again, too many people expecting to get shafted, and when you're THE tech guy, all the folks trying to beat you on the sales floor do everything in their power to turn you into the Repair guy, and earning minimum wage.
When you troubleshoot someone's new pistol, there is only so much they could have done to it that you can't have seen.
Other than the floods of porn viruses, illegal pictures, and people walking into the shop expecting you to turn water into wine, we'd tech ANYONE"S broken down machines in the name of good service. Usually for absolutely free.
"My cupholder broke off" (CD-Rom tray)
"I broke the foot pedal, and do you have larger rubber stops I can glue to it to make it easier to doubleclick? " (mouse)
"How do you stop the mouse from leaving rubber marks on the screen? "
"I bought this monitor and keyboard at Goodwill, how do I connect them to get onto the internet to type my term paper" " Ok, what kind of computer do you have" "Oh I don't have one... The guy at goodwill said I did not need one. " (hit speakerphone at this point) " You need something between the keyboard and the monitor... " "Don't Lie to me, you just want to screw me out of my money, Give me your Manager, it's obvious you don't want to keep your job" "(manager next to me chimes up, along with 2 very regular customers) "Miss, I'm the Manager and I've listened to the entire call... if the gentleman at Goodwill is willing to teach you how to attach a monitor and keyboard together, and you trust him, then go ask him how it works, If you want to argue with us, and not listen to what we have to tell you, when YOU called us... there isn't much we can do to help you, Have a nice day.(click) !
At least they weren't trying to build *ahem* Companion Robots... those guys used to spend a lot on actuators.... but you wanted a shower after dealing with them.
Side note... When removing my loaded pistol from my belt at my LGS for Service or during a "passing around" (when other customers gone) I ask before I even touch it, remove the mag and then unsnap, and present the entire holster, Butt first and let him finish making the weapon safe the way that makes him most comfortable.
He made a joke about it once... I asked if they'd prefer if I pointed the gun at the wall, and snapped the slide back to send the round airborne and catch it instead?
That being said, I can feel you neighbor. I used to sell $5000 computers in the mid 90s. I will never work retail again, too many people expecting to get shafted, and when you're THE tech guy, all the folks trying to beat you on the sales floor do everything in their power to turn you into the Repair guy, and earning minimum wage.
When you troubleshoot someone's new pistol, there is only so much they could have done to it that you can't have seen.
Other than the floods of porn viruses, illegal pictures, and people walking into the shop expecting you to turn water into wine, we'd tech ANYONE"S broken down machines in the name of good service. Usually for absolutely free.
"My cupholder broke off" (CD-Rom tray)
"I broke the foot pedal, and do you have larger rubber stops I can glue to it to make it easier to doubleclick? " (mouse)
"How do you stop the mouse from leaving rubber marks on the screen? "
"I bought this monitor and keyboard at Goodwill, how do I connect them to get onto the internet to type my term paper" " Ok, what kind of computer do you have" "Oh I don't have one... The guy at goodwill said I did not need one. " (hit speakerphone at this point) " You need something between the keyboard and the monitor... " "Don't Lie to me, you just want to screw me out of my money, Give me your Manager, it's obvious you don't want to keep your job" "(manager next to me chimes up, along with 2 very regular customers) "Miss, I'm the Manager and I've listened to the entire call... if the gentleman at Goodwill is willing to teach you how to attach a monitor and keyboard together, and you trust him, then go ask him how it works, If you want to argue with us, and not listen to what we have to tell you, when YOU called us... there isn't much we can do to help you, Have a nice day.(click) !
At least they weren't trying to build *ahem* Companion Robots... those guys used to spend a lot on actuators.... but you wanted a shower after dealing with them.
Side note... When removing my loaded pistol from my belt at my LGS for Service or during a "passing around" (when other customers gone) I ask before I even touch it, remove the mag and then unsnap, and present the entire holster, Butt first and let him finish making the weapon safe the way that makes him most comfortable.
He made a joke about it once... I asked if they'd prefer if I pointed the gun at the wall, and snapped the slide back to send the round airborne and catch it instead?
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