GTSteve03
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I never thought I'd see the day when Warhammer 40k was referenced on THR. Good job Gunny!GunnySkox said:
Red wunz go fasta!
'Fiddy-Cal' Becomes Weapon of Choice in Iraq
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Red wunz go fasta!
Daniel T
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Yes. Check the last post of the 1st page.
MTMilitiaman
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Unisaw said:"its 1.6-ounce bullets, exactly the weight of eight quarters, are going downrange at 2,000 mph"
That works out to be 700 gr at just over 2900 fps...
Doesn't sound too far fetched.
My brother volunteered to man the .50 cal for as long as they were with the convoy for the simple fact that his M4 carbine sucks so bad he considers it a matter of self-preservation to rely on it as little as possible.
MuzzleBlast
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Why, that's just a paltry 13,062 ft-lbs/sec squ.MTMilitiaman said:
Compare that to 2,557 for the 7.62NATO.
It's ironic how some have thought that we are so much smarter now than then and here we are scrambling for .50 cals, scrambling for M-14's and .45's. When it comes to killing and survival, it doesn't pay to bean count, but who am I to say, I'm just a lowly uneducated American.
GunnySkox
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GTSteve03 said:I never thought I'd see the day when Warhammer 40k was referenced on THR. Good job Gunny!
Red wunz go fasta!
Which is exactly why Wolf ammo used to have that red sealant crap on it! Of course!
All appropriate people realize the true potential of Orky quotations to apply to important subjects.
That said, does affixing an infrared scope to an M2 make it "Shootier" or "Mo' Dakka"? Would painting the barrel red increase the fire rate, or just add a few FPS to the bullets?
These are the things I need to know!
~GnSx
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TexasSIGman said:
IIRC, the links are the same, they just need to be replaced due to ageing.
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While they are at it, they should bring back the quad .50 halftracks from WWII. Imagine the firepower!
50 Shooter
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There are 3 different types of links for .50 cal ammo, they might want to change them over or check what type they have.
http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/mg/50_ammo.html
http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/mg/50_ammo.html
So now we have 'fiddy cent' (a rapper), fiddy cal (a big gun) and what's next? The fiddy yard dash? Fiddy-per off at Home Depot? Fiddy Fiddy meaning "could go one way or the other?"
The dumbing down of language bothering anyone else? Or am I being too harsh on the slang used by the troops doing the deed?
I don't see those ammo cans marked 'fiddy' anwhere.
The dumbing down of language bothering anyone else? Or am I being too harsh on the slang used by the troops doing the deed?
I don't see those ammo cans marked 'fiddy' anwhere.
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The guys deserve anything they want to use, flamethrowers and bazookas NEED to be in the works , I personally would like the 40mm at checkpoints. Just wondering, why don't we take away their cars??:banghead: It would be more cost effective ( and a whole lot safer) to provide shuttle busses.
, I personally would like the 40mm at checkpoints. Just wondering, why don't we take away their cars??:banghead: It would be more cost effective ( and a whole lot safer) to provide shuttle busses.CrossofFire
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Yea, that's true...
Have a look at the XM-8 they were/are considering it with the 6.8Rem SPC, I think that'd be great, from what I heard it's got great power out to 500m's easy.
Reading reviews like these make that 7,200 for a M82A1 seem just a little bit smaller. Of course, I'd never have any practical use for it, it'd be more of fun factor and aw factor.
The M2 is a great weapon, spectacular weapon, range is actually in the NG Alamanac at 3.1 miles, Carlos Hathcock recorded a kill with an 8x Leupold I believe, maybe not Leupold but it was 8x Scope mounted on an M2, at 2,200 m's that was beaten by a Canadian I forget his name and rank, but at 2,300m with an .50 BMG Bolt Action in 2002. A Canadian of all people in Iraq I believe.
But anyway, I think the Fifty Caliber is a great weapon, it's heavy enough to take light armor and vehicles and it's a great support weapon.
But taking a look at the XM-109 25mm Payload rifle, makes you wonder, will we see a belt fed 25mm rifle some day?
Back to higher calibers, The M14 DMR model is making it's way to Marines, etc, and alot of Special Operation Forces are taking various .308's with them, you just need that extra power and reach sometimes, the .223 can't handle it, it's controllable, but unrealistic in the vast deserts, and from what I've come to understand, an SOB to Clean.
Have a look at the XM-8 they were/are considering it with the 6.8Rem SPC, I think that'd be great, from what I heard it's got great power out to 500m's easy.
Reading reviews like these make that 7,200 for a M82A1 seem just a little bit smaller. Of course, I'd never have any practical use for it, it'd be more of fun factor and aw factor.
The M2 is a great weapon, spectacular weapon, range is actually in the NG Alamanac at 3.1 miles, Carlos Hathcock recorded a kill with an 8x Leupold I believe, maybe not Leupold but it was 8x Scope mounted on an M2, at 2,200 m's that was beaten by a Canadian I forget his name and rank, but at 2,300m with an .50 BMG Bolt Action in 2002. A Canadian of all people in Iraq I believe.
But anyway, I think the Fifty Caliber is a great weapon, it's heavy enough to take light armor and vehicles and it's a great support weapon.
But taking a look at the XM-109 25mm Payload rifle, makes you wonder, will we see a belt fed 25mm rifle some day?
Back to higher calibers, The M14 DMR model is making it's way to Marines, etc, and alot of Special Operation Forces are taking various .308's with them, you just need that extra power and reach sometimes, the .223 can't handle it, it's controllable, but unrealistic in the vast deserts, and from what I've come to understand, an SOB to Clean.
James T Thomas
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wrong forum?
Something is seriously wrong -yes, we are at "war," and our military is not receiving sufficient funding! Write and call your Reps and Senators. Know who they are. If we had eighteen seperate ammo plants during a war, why not even sufficient number now? It does seem crazy.
And also, what has happened to our standing army? I know, no draft, etc.
But isn't the defense of our nation the first priority of our government; above all the other departments and agencies? Yes, what's the deal?
I cannot understand the liberal's love of Bill Clinton, when it was during his term of office that our military forces were decimated. We are now fighting our wars with all reserve troops. By the way, "we" had our opportunity during his administration to eliminate OBL, and the President would not act!
Bless those men, I do not mean to detract at all from the service they are rendering, however, our nation must have a core of regular military for our national defense, or we are leaving ourselves terribly vunerable. Read the posts about Russia and China having maneuvers together. Just because we have not fought a foreign adversary on continental US soil since the Revolutionary War, does not mean we are invunerable by any means.
Just look at the poor response of our fighter aircraft during 911.
I would have gladly exchanged my M16; super polymer, ultra light, extreme gun any day for the M1 or M14 during the battles I fought in. And the concept of "suppressing" enemy fire by volumes of your own counter fire is fiction. Take the word of someone who knows. All that fire and noise and effects without good, well aimed hits is ineffective.
I'll take the Thompson, BAR, etc. any day. The soldiers who carry the new and improved contraptions are part of the DOD statistical count; that is they have been given "disposeable, throwaway" weapons and the life of the individual soldier is simply expendable. The old and rugged WWI and II weaponry would keep a man alive. Today, if we get our quota according to planners, then, it has been cost efficient.
Had the quad fifties in VN, "Giant Skunk," I believe at the time there was a MIG threat, but those things turned on were awesome. Ever see the movie "Forbidden Planet" where the monster was fired at by the emplaced ray gun batteries? Something like that.
"Amprecon," have you avoided the Death scorpions? I spent time in the sands of Tay Ninh, where very large dark green and agressive scorpions would come out at night right over after you lying there on you air matress or poncho liner. The BN medic told me there was no antivenom for them. They and the "FU" lizzards are things I will never forget.
Anyway, get political, while you can.
Something is seriously wrong -yes, we are at "war," and our military is not receiving sufficient funding! Write and call your Reps and Senators. Know who they are. If we had eighteen seperate ammo plants during a war, why not even sufficient number now? It does seem crazy.
And also, what has happened to our standing army? I know, no draft, etc.
But isn't the defense of our nation the first priority of our government; above all the other departments and agencies? Yes, what's the deal?
I cannot understand the liberal's love of Bill Clinton, when it was during his term of office that our military forces were decimated. We are now fighting our wars with all reserve troops. By the way, "we" had our opportunity during his administration to eliminate OBL, and the President would not act!
Bless those men, I do not mean to detract at all from the service they are rendering, however, our nation must have a core of regular military for our national defense, or we are leaving ourselves terribly vunerable. Read the posts about Russia and China having maneuvers together. Just because we have not fought a foreign adversary on continental US soil since the Revolutionary War, does not mean we are invunerable by any means.
Just look at the poor response of our fighter aircraft during 911.
I would have gladly exchanged my M16; super polymer, ultra light, extreme gun any day for the M1 or M14 during the battles I fought in. And the concept of "suppressing" enemy fire by volumes of your own counter fire is fiction. Take the word of someone who knows. All that fire and noise and effects without good, well aimed hits is ineffective.
I'll take the Thompson, BAR, etc. any day. The soldiers who carry the new and improved contraptions are part of the DOD statistical count; that is they have been given "disposeable, throwaway" weapons and the life of the individual soldier is simply expendable. The old and rugged WWI and II weaponry would keep a man alive. Today, if we get our quota according to planners, then, it has been cost efficient.
Had the quad fifties in VN, "Giant Skunk," I believe at the time there was a MIG threat, but those things turned on were awesome. Ever see the movie "Forbidden Planet" where the monster was fired at by the emplaced ray gun batteries? Something like that.
"Amprecon," have you avoided the Death scorpions? I spent time in the sands of Tay Ninh, where very large dark green and agressive scorpions would come out at night right over after you lying there on you air matress or poncho liner. The BN medic told me there was no antivenom for them. They and the "FU" lizzards are things I will never forget.
Anyway, get political, while you can.
MTMilitiaman
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James, you have noticed a long-standing trend in American history--the erosion of our military in times of peace necessitating a rapid build up or troops and supplies in times of war. If you read For the Common Defense, A Military History of the United States of America by Allan R. Millet and Peter Maslowski, this trend becomes predictably apparent.
Clinton definately screwed the pooch by turning down Bin Laden on multiple occassions, but other mistakes have been made by different administrations. For example, in the 1930s, an American designer by the name of Christie developed a medium tank chasis and offered it to War Department, which rejected it. Christie turned around and sold it to the Russians, who turned it into the T34--one of the best tanks of WWII and vastly superior to our own Sherman. There are others, of course, but that is the one the strikes me first, having thought about it with the afermentioned book where it is referenced on page 401.
Clinton definately screwed the pooch by turning down Bin Laden on multiple occassions, but other mistakes have been made by different administrations. For example, in the 1930s, an American designer by the name of Christie developed a medium tank chasis and offered it to War Department, which rejected it. Christie turned around and sold it to the Russians, who turned it into the T34--one of the best tanks of WWII and vastly superior to our own Sherman. There are others, of course, but that is the one the strikes me first, having thought about it with the afermentioned book where it is referenced on page 401.
Crosshair
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Just a thought.
Someone over at strategypage.com proposed a Bren style GPMG in .338 Lapua. Kinda makes sence, more range than a 308 and the structure breaking power of the 50BMG. The reasoning to go with mags instaid of belt fed is that belted ammo tends to get damaged more than ammo in mags. Of course we could alway's make an M2 in 338 Lapua.
Someone over at strategypage.com proposed a Bren style GPMG in .338 Lapua. Kinda makes sence, more range than a 308 and the structure breaking power of the 50BMG. The reasoning to go with mags instaid of belt fed is that belted ammo tends to get damaged more than ammo in mags. Of course we could alway's make an M2 in 338 Lapua.
James T Thomas,
I haven't had any experience with scorpions here, I did see a group of soldiers surrounding a tan scorpion that was running across the hangar floor taking pictures of it. We have it relatively civilized in that we are housed in trailers and are sheltered from the elements. I have seen those camel spiders and they are big and freaky.
It's impressive to see the convoys come in, M60's, SAWs, fiddy cals, grenade launchers, I think I've seen the whole gamut of weaponry since I've been out here, impressive.
I haven't had any experience with scorpions here, I did see a group of soldiers surrounding a tan scorpion that was running across the hangar floor taking pictures of it. We have it relatively civilized in that we are housed in trailers and are sheltered from the elements. I have seen those camel spiders and they are big and freaky.
It's impressive to see the convoys come in, M60's, SAWs, fiddy cals, grenade launchers, I think I've seen the whole gamut of weaponry since I've been out here, impressive.
Sleeping Dog
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Look agin foo. ".50BMG". Fiddy Big Mudda Gun.
Obliterate a human being, then destroy three houses behind him? I'm starting to think there never was an atomic bomb. Just a couple of P51's shooting up the town with .50 cal.
Regards.
Balog
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M2HB: the gun weighs 60 lbs, the barrel weighs 24. One doesn't usually carry them together. And it's not "bone crushing" even if you carry the whole system. The MK-19 sucks to hump, tho.
Max range is 7400 meters. SLAP will, indeed, go thru several houses. 8 inches of homogenous steel, too IIRC. Me likes SLAP. Too bad they took it all away from us in Ramadi, dammit.
It's usually a tossup whether the higher RoF and ammo capacity of a M240G wins over the penetration of a .50 for the affection of the grunts. Only 31's love Mk's hehe.
Max range is 7400 meters. SLAP will, indeed, go thru several houses. 8 inches of homogenous steel, too IIRC. Me likes SLAP. Too bad they took it all away from us in Ramadi, dammit.
It's usually a tossup whether the higher RoF and ammo capacity of a M240G wins over the penetration of a .50 for the affection of the grunts. Only 31's love Mk's hehe.
Slang is a great thing... Ma-Deuce, Mother Deuce makes sense... "mamma's coming!" etc.
'Fiddy' is just lazy.
'Fiddy' is just lazy.
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Brad Johnson
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Would that make it 'MEbonics"?
Brad
James T Thomas
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the most important rank
"Balog:" My salute to you Lance Corporal, US Marines!
I often felt that the rank of corporal was the most important to the men; infantry, or field grades.
The Army uses the Specialist rank (perhaps used to; 1968), but during battle, the weakest link in the carrying out of combat was between the riflemen; privates, and the sergeants leading the squad. They could not effectively direct all seven men under those conditions, and I felt there was a great need for the more experienced -corporal.
I suppose I will never see it, but I would love to see the return to those big double stripes.
PS: I was in the Cavalry, and along with our water, rations, ect., we would have flown in at night the big M2 which was great to have. We also would have one of our 81 mm mortars with us, but we actually humped through the jungle with it.
It was of course disassembled into the tube, tripod, and magnesium base plate which was quite a load.
"Balog:" My salute to you Lance Corporal, US Marines!
I often felt that the rank of corporal was the most important to the men; infantry, or field grades.
The Army uses the Specialist rank (perhaps used to; 1968), but during battle, the weakest link in the carrying out of combat was between the riflemen; privates, and the sergeants leading the squad. They could not effectively direct all seven men under those conditions, and I felt there was a great need for the more experienced -corporal.
I suppose I will never see it, but I would love to see the return to those big double stripes.
PS: I was in the Cavalry, and along with our water, rations, ect., we would have flown in at night the big M2 which was great to have. We also would have one of our 81 mm mortars with us, but we actually humped through the jungle with it.
It was of course disassembled into the tube, tripod, and magnesium base plate which was quite a load.
LaEscopeta
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The scorpion was taking pictures of the hanger? (Dangle that participle!)
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