Finally decided on an elk/deer rifle

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This is a follow up to my earlier thread:

Help me pick a hunting rifle.

After reading all the good advice contained therein, as well as a few books about elk hunting, some of Chuck Hawks articles, other reviews, as well as another elk rifle thread, I went shopping again as a much more informed buyer.

I went to one of the biggest gun shops in the area, and was able to fondle, shoulder, and try the triggers on most of the models I was interested in, or at least their right handed brethren. (Cliff notes version of other thread: I'm left eye dominant, but always shot right handed until earlier this year, I cut off a good chunk of my right trigger finger. Persuaded me to make the switch)

Here are some of the impressions I received:

  • Tikka T3 Light: This was a very impressive rifle. The trigger was the best of the bunch, the action felt like a precision instrument, and it was very, very light. The safety was easy to reach in the center of the tang. My only qualm was with the stock fit. It didn't feel bad, exactly, but it didn't feel very good, either.
  • Savage Axis: Even lighter than the Tikka, but I think it's because they forgot to include a rifle. This just felt abysmal in every way.
  • Savage Lightweight (110 action?): I forget the exact model designation, but it's the one with the fluted bolt, lightening cuts in the forearm, and a good deal of metal milled out of the side of the receiver. For all the radical weight reductions, this was still heavier than the Tikka and the Axis. The bolt throw felt smooth, but a very different kind of smooth from the oiled glass of the Tikka. The Accutrigger, well, it would take getting used to. Also, in their quest to make this as light as possible, I think they left two inches or so off the back of the stock. Really spoiled the handling for this six footer.
  • Remington Model 700 SPS: this may have been the blandest rifle I've ever handled. There was nothing I disliked about it, but nothing I especially liked about it, either. Just thoroughly "Meh."
  • Browning X-Bolt: This one had the second best trigger of the bunch, and that not by much. The Tikka just edged it out. Unfortunately, more has to go. To a great rifle than just a great trigger. The stock was atrociously awful. The grooved forearm felt funky, the pistol grip size and angle felt uncomfortably wrong, and it didn't index the sights naturally at all. Much stock squirming required. People come in all shapes and sizes, so this must have fit someone on American Rifleman's staff better than it did me.
  • Remington 700 BDL: Wow. The trigger on this one was good, but not stellar. I'd place it third, behind the Tikka and the Browning, but ahead of the rest. The bolt had that oiled glass feeling, like the Tikka. What really won me, though, was the handling. Oh, the handling. The Monte Carlo stock felt more like a fine (though a bit heavy) fitted shotgun, and shouldered more naturally than any other rifle I've tried. The side mounted safety was convenient. Oh, and this one was *pretty,* too.it may be because my dad and granddad both favored Wingmasters and glossy 1100s, but a higher grade Remington like this really speaks to me of what a gun should look like.
  • Winchester M70: I really wanted to like this one. The cult of the M70 in print had just about convinced me that this was the great American rifle. I was even willing to chase one of the few left handed actions Winchester made, or else have Montana make me one of their lefty clones, if needs be. However, the triggers, (on all four I tried) were the second worst, ranking above only the Axis. The vaunted M70 safety struck me as odd and awkward. The stocks, though none especially bad, didn't fit me especially well either. Controlled round feed might be nice, but it's not like an elk is going to try to eat me. Write on, gentlemen of the press, but I find myself unmoved.

All in all, I decided to have the shop order me a Rem 700 BDL LH, in .30-06. However, we soon found out that the nice one Big Green still makes in a left handed action is the CDL, not the BDL, which hasn't been available in LH since 2004. I very nearly went with my second pick, the Tikka T3 instead, but decided to go home and think about it a bit more.

While I was thinking, (and browsing) about it, however, I found this beaut on GA:

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It's now on its way to my local dealer. I hope that A) I wasn't inordinately swayed by my love of shiny objects, and B) the handling I liked so much isn't spoiled by a scope. Given its popularity, though, I don't think one can really go far wrong with a Rem 700.
 
Well played. I have a 700 BDL in .243 passed down from my grandfather-father-me. Still in excellent shape and I plan to keep it that way. Still shoots great and I plan to keep it that way.
 
What year was the rifle made? Is it a "genuine" Remington, or a "Remlin" made after the switch? My dad owns a 243 700 BDL, and I like the rifle just fine. Its never given me any issues, and puts meat on the table when called upon to do so. That said, when it was time to buy "MY" rifle 15 yrs back or so, I went with the Model 70 in 7mm mag. I have yet to find any reason to have second guess my choice....its been a great rifle that shoots straight and hits hard......perfect medicine for the mule deer I prefer to hunt.
 
If you liked the Tikka you would have loved the SAKO!:banghead:
 
What year was the rifle made? Is it a "genuine" Remington, or a "Remlin" made after the switch? My dad owns a 243 700 BDL, and I like the rifle just fine. Its never given me any issues, and puts meat on the table when called upon to do so. That said, when it was time to buy "MY" rifle 15 yrs back or so, I went with the Model 70 in 7mm mag. I have yet to find any reason to have second guess my choice....its been a great rifle that shoots straight and hits hard......perfect medicine for the mule deer I prefer to hunt.
I'm not sure. The serial # is visible, but Remington doesn't list annual blocks on their website. It's pre '04' though, as that's when the dropped the BDL LH.
 
The BDLs are beautiful! I always liked the way that stock fit my face. I can't say the same for their "Classic" or M7400. Ouch! The .30-06 will serve you well, and I suspect you always will be able locate ammo.

Congrats!

Geno
 
I would put a set of Talley Lightweight lows and a Leupold VX-2 3-9x40mm on her ASAP!
I like the way you think, on the Talley rings, anyhow. I was leaning toward one of the new production Weaver K4s for the glass, though. I was playing with one the other day, and it was simple, light, and brilliantly clear. Weighs and costs about half what a good variable does, too.
 
Be carefull with the Talley rings. I have seen several scope tubes pinched and bent from over tightening. I don't like them because they draw down on the tube in one spot. I know some swear by them but I've seen some guys swear at them.:barf:
 
+2. I'm not a huge fan of that style Weaver ring that's on there, but I'd take them hands down over a set of Talley rings. I would never mount a scope that I cared about in Talleys. I bought a few sets a year or two ago when they were on sale. After seeing them in person, I immediately sold all of them off. I'm not sure why anyone would recommend them. They are the first set of rings I've ever heard of where they are out of round and people think it's okay. IMO go with a set of Burris Signature Zee rings and never look back.
 
jehu said:
Be carefull with the Talley rings. I have seen several scope tubes pinched and bent from over tightening.

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Any ring can crush a scope tube due to "over tightening". If you think there's something inherently wrong with the Talley design that makes it easier to over tighten the rings then I'm all ears. I always check ring alignment regardless of the manufacturer and always end up lapping every set of rings and even some one-piece mounts since receivers are all over the place. I have four rifles with scopes mounted in Talley rings and there's not a mark on any of the tubes. I've had to lap some rings more than others and I tighten the ring screws to 15 in-lb with a quality torque screwdriver but that's what works for me. I don't have a problem with Talley rings and my experience with other products extends to Seekins, Leupold, Nightforce, LaRue, AI and GG&G.
 
I think its easier to damage a scope with the Tally rings because all the downward pressure during tighting is at the one "pinch point at the top. With traditional rings tightining down gradually on both sides is less likely to damage a scope even with alittle over tightening.;)
 
jehu said:
I think its easier to damage a scope with the Tally rings because all the downward pressure during tighting is at the one "pinch point at the top. With traditional rings tightining down gradually on both sides is less likely to damage a scope even with alittle over tightening.

But this is how LaRue one piece mounts work as well and you'll be hard pressed to find anyone complaining about them. I have three of those and they don't damage scope tubes either. With Talley rings or similar systems, you have to realize that you're squeezing the rings into a "perfect" circle as you tighten the upper screws. If you continue to tighten the screws beyond what's required to prevent slip between the scope tube and rings then you can/will damage the tube.
 
I have some Rem 700s I'm kinda partial to...indeed, I recommend them highly. I don't have a BDL or CDL but here's one of my go-to hunting rifles, a Rem 700 SPS Stainless that I dropped into a Bell & Carlson Medalist sporter stock. Other than that, this rifle is as it came from the factory and scoped with a Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40. This was my first three rounds getting sighted in for deer rifle season a couple of years ago (I actually left it sighted in from the spring...it stayed ok). This is with .308 Win at 100 yards. I use either 168gr Nosler AccuBond or Barnes TTSX as hunting bullets for elk

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I have a few other rifles in which I have great faith, but my .30-06s are a Savage 116 and a Winny M70 EW. I'm a big fan of .308 cals for most game I'm likely to eat, .375 cal for game likely to eat me.

You're not going to be able to blame the rifle...remember, Tonto, it ain't the arrows.

Good hunting,

FH
 
That's some fine shooting, right there. Especially without considering the spring zero. I seem to have had a gremlin take up residence in my safe; I put something away, and next time I bring it out, the sights are off, or the firing pin is gone, or a spring is broken, etc.

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Thanks, Mat. I've been very lucky with my rifles. I haven't got a single one that won't shoot better than me...so I've learned that it's always "Operator Error" when I miss something. I really do like Remmy though...this is a 5-shot group I had last week with Hornady Superperformance 178gr A-MAX factory loads out of a new Rem 700 5R (I had just sighted it in with 168gr A-MAX hand loads which is why this group is a bit off, as pointed out by my buddy who was the RSO...he was spotting and just said that I missed). Those who dis Big Green might want to practice more.

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Cheers,

FH
 
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Mat, a little history from me: My very first rifle was a Remington 700 BDL left hand 270 Win. When I first got into shooting/hunting, I wanted a 25-06, but they didn't make it in left hand. A friend extolled the virtues of the 270 so I tried his out, and it was a laser, so I went with it. I got my new rifle and couldn't wait to shoot it. Took it out to my improvised range behind my house, laid it over the hood of my pickup, and at 50 yds with its iron sights, put the first shot dead center of the target. I was hooked. Sadly, I lost that rifle in a divorce many years ago, but my point is that you have yourself a very fine-shooting rifle there.
 
1858, I don't want to "squeeze" any rings into a perfect circle, I want my rings to already be a perfect circle so they can evenly clamp down my scope. If the Tallys work for you I'm glad but I will never use them after seeing the damage they have caused on some scopes i've seen.
 
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