The Real Hawkeye
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Old Dog, I'm not sure if we always agree, but you've earned my respect with your post above.
Finally - Stopped While Carrying
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Manedwolf
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CCL not linked to driver's licenses here at all, no req to hand it over or inform.
And the only time I'd been stopped recently (registration sticker had fallen off), they didn't ask.
Seems to be a bit more common sense, to me. Is a criminal carrying illegally going to hand over their nonexistent CCL and notify the officer? Then why go through all that nonsense and take your gun apart when you were obviously following the rules?
And the only time I'd been stopped recently (registration sticker had fallen off), they didn't ask.
Seems to be a bit more common sense, to me. Is a criminal carrying illegally going to hand over their nonexistent CCL and notify the officer? Then why go through all that nonsense and take your gun apart when you were obviously following the rules?
The Real Hawkeye
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You and I are both making the mistake, it seems, of expecting the law enforcement community to apply common sense and logic. The truth is that, as you and I both know, the practice of disarming a peaceable CCW license holder makes no logical sense, and therefore the reasons they ascribe to the behavior could not logically be the real reasons behind it. That leaves us to speculate as to the real reasons. I think they do it because they can, and it makes them feel superior to the serfs. We have to be reminded of our place from time to time, you see. Name me one logical reason as an alternative to this.
The Real Hawkeye
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And you wouldn't be arrested if you weren't guilty, so why don't we just skip that fair trial nonsense and get right to sentencing?
American By Blood
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I noticed that the bulk of posters on this thread sharing their experiences with seemingly pro-CCW LEOs are from Texas. Others are from NC and NV. My hunch is that this has a lot to do with local culture. Cops aren't shipped in from remote/hostile states yet (such as in the case of the USSR) so their attitudes are (at least somewhat) likely to reflect the general outlook of their particular jurisdiction. The hiring pool in places where people love freedom is going to include a fair amount of liberty lovers, in spite of the JBT appeal of being a cop. This is a good thing for people who live in those areas.
If Maryland ever goes shall-issue, though, I can't see our cops being nearly as friendly. Especially in the Baltimore area. The populace of this state has been so fascinated with authority and submission for so long that this attitude is reflected in our LEOs. Never have I lived in a place where police officers took so much pleasure in arbitrarily issuing commands to private citizens outside of emergency situations (I speak from personal experience on this front). Cops here are a far cry from ones I've interacted with in different states. Baltimore City stormtroopers think that behavior like this is acceptable. It's been said that my city is third world in every way imaginable, and the behavior of the police is no exception.
I'll grant that I'm a cynic, but I predict that if CCWs become common in MD the law enforcement establishment will not abandon the hostility to shall-issue that they've shown thus far. LEOs looking for any reason to bring someone in after presenting a permit at a traffic stop could very well become commonplace. Before the usual suspects come and start howling about cop bashing, let me make it clear that I know not all LEOs are like this. I've personally been present for a traffic stop in AZ where the driver was an armed CCW holder and the officers treated him like a human being. However, I do not have the same faith in MD's (and especially Baltimore's) police. My reasons are legion.
If Maryland ever goes shall-issue, though, I can't see our cops being nearly as friendly. Especially in the Baltimore area. The populace of this state has been so fascinated with authority and submission for so long that this attitude is reflected in our LEOs. Never have I lived in a place where police officers took so much pleasure in arbitrarily issuing commands to private citizens outside of emergency situations (I speak from personal experience on this front). Cops here are a far cry from ones I've interacted with in different states. Baltimore City stormtroopers think that behavior like this is acceptable. It's been said that my city is third world in every way imaginable, and the behavior of the police is no exception.
I'll grant that I'm a cynic, but I predict that if CCWs become common in MD the law enforcement establishment will not abandon the hostility to shall-issue that they've shown thus far. LEOs looking for any reason to bring someone in after presenting a permit at a traffic stop could very well become commonplace. Before the usual suspects come and start howling about cop bashing, let me make it clear that I know not all LEOs are like this. I've personally been present for a traffic stop in AZ where the driver was an armed CCW holder and the officers treated him like a human being. However, I do not have the same faith in MD's (and especially Baltimore's) police. My reasons are legion.
American_Pit_Bull
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I think it is pointless to inform the officer that you are a CCW holder and that you are carrying. (that is, if you are in a state in which you aren't legally obligated to do so) As in Valkman's encounter, the only thing that comes from it is an unnecessary variable added to the stop.
I do not feel inclined to tell the officer of every item in my vehicle that could possibly cause him harm (pocket knife, hatchet, etc...) Why bring your CCW into the equation when it has nothing to do with the moving violation? It is just another tool that you are in possession of legally...
Valkman must agree to a certain degree, since he too thought it unnecessary to inform the LEO that he had another firearm within arms reach. Not to put words in you mouth Valk, but if you informed him of one, why not the other? Because for him to find it he would have had to search your vehicle? For him to come in contact with the on on your hip he would have had to pat you down. (unless you weren't carrying concealed)
Some states link your CCW info to your DL/plates, some do not. In the case that your CCW info is already known to the officer, then he/she will ask you if you if you are carrying.
I do not feel inclined to tell the officer of every item in my vehicle that could possibly cause him harm (pocket knife, hatchet, etc...) Why bring your CCW into the equation when it has nothing to do with the moving violation? It is just another tool that you are in possession of legally...
Valkman must agree to a certain degree, since he too thought it unnecessary to inform the LEO that he had another firearm within arms reach. Not to put words in you mouth Valk, but if you informed him of one, why not the other? Because for him to find it he would have had to search your vehicle? For him to come in contact with the on on your hip he would have had to pat you down. (unless you weren't carrying concealed)
Some states link your CCW info to your DL/plates, some do not. In the case that your CCW info is already known to the officer, then he/she will ask you if you if you are carrying.
M2 Carbine
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American By Blood
"If Maryland ever goes shall-issue, though, I can't see our cops being nearly as friendly. Especially in the Baltimore area.
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That's probably a good point.
I was a Baltimore Policeman in the early 60's, worked the Gay Street area. Me and my side partners knew of guys that (illegally) carried pistols and we condoned it. They were decent people having to work in a slum.
Heck, I even sold a Priest a pistol.
But times have changed.
"If Maryland ever goes shall-issue, though, I can't see our cops being nearly as friendly. Especially in the Baltimore area.
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That's probably a good point.
I was a Baltimore Policeman in the early 60's, worked the Gay Street area. Me and my side partners knew of guys that (illegally) carried pistols and we condoned it. They were decent people having to work in a slum.
Heck, I even sold a Priest a pistol.
But times have changed.
NineseveN
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I tell State Cops that I am carrying out of courtesy because I have never once had a bad dealing with them and they are a cut above your average municipal or city officer...any other LEO, I don't think so, I don't take well to persons not known to me handling my weapon for no reason (State Cops generally won't take the firearm, they just ask you to keep your hands visible). There simply is very little, if any reason for an LEO to disarm someone in that manner.
Edited to add: When I say "Sate Cops" I am referring to my state only.
Edited to add: When I say "Sate Cops" I am referring to my state only.
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Valkman
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I didn't raise anything - just got out and he reached under the shirt and got the gun. Then he had me get back in.
In NV you do not have to tell the officer you're carrying, but I do not know if it comes back to them when they call in. I have 2 neighbors who are Metro and I'll ask them.
This is interesting because we can also carry any loaded gun we want to in the vehicle and he never asked about that. I forgot about the snubbie in the center console until it was almost over but don't think I'd volunteer that anyway unless he asked. There are no state laws that even pertain to carrying weapons in the vehicle, so it's wide open.
Here in Colorado you are legally allowed to carry in your car without a CCW just like NV. I have a CCW, but have not been stopped for a traffic violation. If asked I must tell that I have a CCW and weapon. If not asked I will not volunteer. It just adds another variable to the situaton. I don't want to have to get out of my car and disarm like you did. I don't want to have my $1,000 + firearm unloaded, scratched, dropped or damaged in any way. I want to sit in the car, be polite and courteous and comply with the LEO's requests, period.
WayneConrad
Member
Is nobody else offended that the officer ran the serial number on the gun?
The gun had nothing to do with the reason for the stop, and the officer had no reason to suspect it was stolen. Checking to see if it was stolen makes no more sense than if there had been a toaster in the back seat and the officer had decided to check to see if it was stolen.
Only the wile of lawyers could make such an offensive act pass the scrunity of the fourth amendment.
The gun had nothing to do with the reason for the stop, and the officer had no reason to suspect it was stolen. Checking to see if it was stolen makes no more sense than if there had been a toaster in the back seat and the officer had decided to check to see if it was stolen.
Only the wile of lawyers could make such an offensive act pass the scrunity of the fourth amendment.
The Real Hawkeye
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Yes, I am.
Good point.
Keep in mind that there are lawyers as dedicated to liberty and the rule of law as you are.
BullfrogKen
Moderator Emeritus
I thought that was precisely the reason the states started getting into the licensing of us in the first place. We must go through background checks, some of us get fingerprinted, go through mandatory training, pay fees, and in some states high fees. All this was needed under the obstensible purpose of providing the state assurance we are "OK" and entrusted to walk about society armed. We used to be able to engage in that practice without seeking state permission, and in a couple still can.
Or maybe in reality it actually is nothing more than another way for the state to gain revenue.
If you didn't get preferential treatment by announcing you are a retired peace officer you would not reveal it. If you stopped someone who was retired from the job during the course of your time as a peace officer, I suspect the treatment differed somewhat once you discovered it as well. It is disingenious to suggest otherwise.
I'd be curious to see if the car was ran as stolen, too. That would actually have something to do with the purpose of the stop.
Defining the actions permitted on a stop as "whatever I need to do to get home safe at the end of the day" has some unintended consequences. Reasonableness and safety has little to do with disarming a person. Walking alongside a highway while vehicles pass by at 65 mph is far more dangerous than a handgun. By safety, then we ought to be required to walk back to them while they stay safe inside the car.
Treating folks like criminals at every interaction causes animosity and alienates communities from those who take oaths to protect it. Those in charge of police departments that use its people to "enforce laws" and conduct dragnet checkpoints, rather than work with the community to eliminate the crime they feel affects them, does create animosity. Observe the recent trend towards "Community Policing Programs", and "Community Police Officers". If the department is not conducting community policing, I must wonder what are its priorities?
The people of Baltimore regularly ignore the department's requests for witnesses, distrust its policemen and women, and actively seek to undermine its attempts to tighten down neighborhhods. The methods used work against the community, and they resent it. These are the unintended consequences of what happens when peace officers are permitted greater freedoms in the name of officer safety.
It doesn't sound fair . . . but you peace officers bristling at these words . . . Consider how you feel when Internal Affairs begins looking at your cases . . . or the State's Attorney General's Office . . .or the FBI for claimed civil rights violations . . . Do you feel happy about it, and welcome it? Or do you wonder inside - "Why the hell can't they find something better to do . . . Go out and do my job for a week . . . After 15 years on the job they're taking HIS word over mine . . . etc"
I suggest you resent it. Guess what? We do, too.
If the permit system wasn't created to provide some small measure of assurance that we aren't criminals, and aren't going to shoot the officer, what the hell is it for then?
WayneConrad
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I wrote, "Only the wile of lawyers could make such an offensive act pass the scrunity of the fourth amendment", to which The Real Hawkeye replied, "Keep in mind that there are lawyers as dedicated to liberty and the rule of law as you are."
You're right, of course. I cast my net too wide when I wrote that. I apologize.
You're right, of course. I cast my net too wide when I wrote that. I apologize.
CajunBass
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I've had two interactions with police officers in Virginia since I got my permit. In one I was pulled for an expired inspection sticker in Ashland, by a Town of Ashland officer. At the time, I had my Springfiled XD-9 on the front seat, in plain view, as is legal in Virginia. I gave him my CHP, along with my drivers license. If he runs my DL he'll find out that I have a permit anyway. He looked at the CHP, handed it back and never said a word about it. I don't even know if he saw the XD or not. He gave me a warning about the inspection sticker.
A couple of weeks ago, I was involved in an accident on my motorcycle. No one was hurt, and there was no real damage done, but a witness had called the police. (Spotsylvania County) Since I knew my handgun was out from under my jacket, (Open carry is legal in Virginia.) I gave the officer my CHP, and my DL when he arrived. He didn't ask about the gun, or indicate any curiosity about it. When he was finished with writing up the accident report, actually more of an exchange of information form, he gave me my DL and CHP back. No ticket. He did say "You know this was your fault?" To which I replied "I sure do." (Note to self. Don't wear a handgun when riding a motorcycle. It hurts to fall on them, and is not good for the gun.)
A couple of weeks ago, I was involved in an accident on my motorcycle. No one was hurt, and there was no real damage done, but a witness had called the police. (Spotsylvania County) Since I knew my handgun was out from under my jacket, (Open carry is legal in Virginia.) I gave the officer my CHP, and my DL when he arrived. He didn't ask about the gun, or indicate any curiosity about it. When he was finished with writing up the accident report, actually more of an exchange of information form, he gave me my DL and CHP back. No ticket. He did say "You know this was your fault?" To which I replied "I sure do." (Note to self. Don't wear a handgun when riding a motorcycle. It hurts to fall on them, and is not good for the gun.)
AnthonyRSS
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+ infinity to The Real Hawkeye and friends.
DoubleTapDrew
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In Oregon we aren't required to inform but I think I will from now on if I am carrying. I definitely don't like the idea of a LEO disarming me and unloading it, checking the serial # etc (for safety reasons of both of us and the fact that he/she hasn't pulled you over for that reason). On the other hand, I've been stopped twice since getting my CCW, both for speeding. The first one (speed trap city cop) asked if I was carrying when he came back after checking my DL and I (truthfully) said no. The second (state cop) one didn't even mention it and this time I was carrying. The first one wrote me a ticket for the full amount, the State guy let me off with a warning. I was doing about 15mph over in both cases (light traffic).
The reason I feel I should inform now is they see if you have a CCW when they run your license here and it would probably be better to tell them instead of having them find out when they run your DL even though I'm obviously a law abiding citizen.
Here's a question I just thought of...
If a LEO had a ND while trying to unload your $1,300 Kimber/Wilson/Supercustom wonderpistol back at his/her squad car would it be confiscated while the incident is "under investigation"?
The reason I feel I should inform now is they see if you have a CCW when they run your license here and it would probably be better to tell them instead of having them find out when they run your DL even though I'm obviously a law abiding citizen.
Here's a question I just thought of...
If a LEO had a ND while trying to unload your $1,300 Kimber/Wilson/Supercustom wonderpistol back at his/her squad car would it be confiscated while the incident is "under investigation"?
The Real Hawkeye
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[Darth Vadar Voice]Apology accepted, Captain Nida.[/Darth Vadar Voice]
The Real Hawkeye
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Excellent post, Bullfrog!
evan price
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I don't know if any of you are from Ohio and are aware of our screwed up vehicle CCW regulations that were put in at the requirement of the Ohio Highway Patrol to get them to sign off on CCW here.
The CCW instructor I had for my classes told me, generally, if the weapon is carried in a safe and secure method that won't get in the way of producing ID or whatever, they would not mess with it. He said, specifically, the last thing he wants to do is disarm a legal law abiding CCW holder then accidentally drop their $1000+ Kimber Eclipse 1911 Custom and damage it.
First of all, any interaction with a LEO for LE purposes mandates that you immediately divulge your CCW status if you are carrying. Wether walking on the street, in a car ,whatever, it is required.
Second, your CCW status is flagged in the LEADS computer so if you are in a traffic stop you are automatically flagged by your vehicle license number that you have a CCW. If the LEO runs your tag it comes back as a CCW permit if you have one.
Third, check out the Ohio vehicle CCW statuates, Car/Gun law summary. It requires your CCW to be carried "In Plain SIght"...???!!!??? Don't Know *** Plain Sight has to do with CONCEALED??? Merely TOUCHING, or ATTEMPTING TO TOUCH, your CCW during a traffic stop is a felony.
Stolen from PACKING.ORG
Date updated: Aug 23, 2005 @ 10:10 pm
Individuals with a license to carry a concealed handgun may transport a loaded handgun if:
The firearm is kept in "plain sight" on the person's body.
The firearm is kept in a locked container that is in "plain sight"
In a closed, locked glove compartment. (The law does not mention Consoles only Locked Glove Compartment.
The second biggest flaw with this section of law is that "plain sight" is simply not defined at this time. It is possible that the Ohio Attorney General may determine how to comply with this aspect while carrying. (The first flaw is that you have to remove a concealed firearm and make it visible every time you enter any motor vehicle)
The Ohio Supreme Court has not defined the term “plain sight” precisely in the context of carrying a concealed handgun. However, in other contexts, courts have generally held that the term “plain sight” is a common sense term that means clearly visible or unobstructed.
If you are stopped by law enforcement, you must comply with all lawful orders given to you by an officer. You must remain in the vehicle, and you must keep your hands in plain sight when the officer approaches unless you are told to do otherwise by the officer. You may not have contact or attempt to have contact with the handgun unless told to do so by the officer. Merely having, or attempting to have, contact with the handgun is a felony.
Sec. 2923.16.
(C) No person shall knowingly transport or have a firearm in a motor vehicle, unless it is unloaded and is carried in one of the following ways:
(1) In a closed package, box, or case;
(2) In a compartment that can be reached only by leaving the vehicle;
(3) In plain sight and secured in a rack or holder made for the purpose;
(4) In plain sight with the action open or the weapon stripped, or, if the firearm is of a type on which the action will not stay open or which cannot easily be stripped, in plain sight.
Must inform Law Enforcement when Carrying
Date updated: Aug 23, 2005 @ 10:10 pm
Ohio's Concealed Carry Law makes it Mandatory to notify a police officer that you are carrying a concealed handgun and have a license to do so.
This law will apply to you even if you are merely a passenger in a motor vehicle. The officer may or may not ask you to produce your license and may or may not ask to take possession of your firearm for the duration of the traffic stop. The law specifically prohibits the officer from keeping your firearm if you are released.
Sec. 2923.126.
(A) If a licensee is the driver or an occupant of a motor vehicle that is stopped as the result of a traffic stop or a stop for another law enforcement purpose and if the licensee is transporting or has a loaded handgun in the motor vehicle at that time, the licensee shall promptly inform any law enforcement officer who approaches the vehicle while stopped that the licensee has been issued a license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun and that the licensee currently possesses or has a loaded handgun; the licensee shall comply with lawful orders of a law enforcement officer given while the motor vehicle is stopped, shall remain in the motor vehicle while stopped, and shall keep the licensee's hands in plain sight while any law enforcement officer begins approaching the licensee while stopped and before the officer leaves, unless directed otherwise by a law enforcement officer; and the licensee shall not knowingly remove, attempt to remove, grasp, or hold the loaded handgun or knowingly have contact with the loaded handgun by touching it with the licensee's hands or fingers, in any manner in violation of division (E) of section 2923.16 of the Revised Code, while any law enforcement officer begins approaching the licensee while stopped and before the officer leaves. If a law enforcement officer otherwise approaches a person who has been stopped for a law enforcement purpose, if the person is a licensee, and if the licensee is carrying a concealed handgun at the time the officer approaches, the licensee shall promptly inform the officer that the licensee has been issued a license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun and that the licensee currently is carrying a concealed handgun.
Sec. 2923.126.
(A) A licensee who has been issued a license under section 2923.125 or 2923.1213 of the Revised Code may carry a concealed handgun anywhere in this state if the licensee also carries a valid license and valid identification when the licensee is in actual possession of a concealed handgun.
The CCW instructor I had for my classes told me, generally, if the weapon is carried in a safe and secure method that won't get in the way of producing ID or whatever, they would not mess with it. He said, specifically, the last thing he wants to do is disarm a legal law abiding CCW holder then accidentally drop their $1000+ Kimber Eclipse 1911 Custom and damage it.
First of all, any interaction with a LEO for LE purposes mandates that you immediately divulge your CCW status if you are carrying. Wether walking on the street, in a car ,whatever, it is required.
Second, your CCW status is flagged in the LEADS computer so if you are in a traffic stop you are automatically flagged by your vehicle license number that you have a CCW. If the LEO runs your tag it comes back as a CCW permit if you have one.
Third, check out the Ohio vehicle CCW statuates, Car/Gun law summary. It requires your CCW to be carried "In Plain SIght"...???!!!??? Don't Know *** Plain Sight has to do with CONCEALED??? Merely TOUCHING, or ATTEMPTING TO TOUCH, your CCW during a traffic stop is a felony.
Stolen from PACKING.ORG
Date updated: Aug 23, 2005 @ 10:10 pm
Individuals with a license to carry a concealed handgun may transport a loaded handgun if:
The firearm is kept in "plain sight" on the person's body.
The firearm is kept in a locked container that is in "plain sight"
In a closed, locked glove compartment. (The law does not mention Consoles only Locked Glove Compartment.
The second biggest flaw with this section of law is that "plain sight" is simply not defined at this time. It is possible that the Ohio Attorney General may determine how to comply with this aspect while carrying. (The first flaw is that you have to remove a concealed firearm and make it visible every time you enter any motor vehicle)
The Ohio Supreme Court has not defined the term “plain sight” precisely in the context of carrying a concealed handgun. However, in other contexts, courts have generally held that the term “plain sight” is a common sense term that means clearly visible or unobstructed.
If you are stopped by law enforcement, you must comply with all lawful orders given to you by an officer. You must remain in the vehicle, and you must keep your hands in plain sight when the officer approaches unless you are told to do otherwise by the officer. You may not have contact or attempt to have contact with the handgun unless told to do so by the officer. Merely having, or attempting to have, contact with the handgun is a felony.
Sec. 2923.16.
(C) No person shall knowingly transport or have a firearm in a motor vehicle, unless it is unloaded and is carried in one of the following ways:
(1) In a closed package, box, or case;
(2) In a compartment that can be reached only by leaving the vehicle;
(3) In plain sight and secured in a rack or holder made for the purpose;
(4) In plain sight with the action open or the weapon stripped, or, if the firearm is of a type on which the action will not stay open or which cannot easily be stripped, in plain sight.
Must inform Law Enforcement when Carrying
Date updated: Aug 23, 2005 @ 10:10 pm
Ohio's Concealed Carry Law makes it Mandatory to notify a police officer that you are carrying a concealed handgun and have a license to do so.
This law will apply to you even if you are merely a passenger in a motor vehicle. The officer may or may not ask you to produce your license and may or may not ask to take possession of your firearm for the duration of the traffic stop. The law specifically prohibits the officer from keeping your firearm if you are released.
Sec. 2923.126.
(A) If a licensee is the driver or an occupant of a motor vehicle that is stopped as the result of a traffic stop or a stop for another law enforcement purpose and if the licensee is transporting or has a loaded handgun in the motor vehicle at that time, the licensee shall promptly inform any law enforcement officer who approaches the vehicle while stopped that the licensee has been issued a license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun and that the licensee currently possesses or has a loaded handgun; the licensee shall comply with lawful orders of a law enforcement officer given while the motor vehicle is stopped, shall remain in the motor vehicle while stopped, and shall keep the licensee's hands in plain sight while any law enforcement officer begins approaching the licensee while stopped and before the officer leaves, unless directed otherwise by a law enforcement officer; and the licensee shall not knowingly remove, attempt to remove, grasp, or hold the loaded handgun or knowingly have contact with the loaded handgun by touching it with the licensee's hands or fingers, in any manner in violation of division (E) of section 2923.16 of the Revised Code, while any law enforcement officer begins approaching the licensee while stopped and before the officer leaves. If a law enforcement officer otherwise approaches a person who has been stopped for a law enforcement purpose, if the person is a licensee, and if the licensee is carrying a concealed handgun at the time the officer approaches, the licensee shall promptly inform the officer that the licensee has been issued a license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun and that the licensee currently is carrying a concealed handgun.
Sec. 2923.126.
(A) A licensee who has been issued a license under section 2923.125 or 2923.1213 of the Revised Code may carry a concealed handgun anywhere in this state if the licensee also carries a valid license and valid identification when the licensee is in actual possession of a concealed handgun.
Standing Wolf
Member in memoriam
Yeah, but we're not a police state, since he didn't steal your gun.
A thought about carrying an expensive gun. If you need to use the gun, and police find you standing over a dead body with your gun in hand, you WILL be told to drop the gun. And they DO mean DROP THE GUN. On concrete, on macacam, on stones, in a puddle or mud, whatever is down there. And they mean NOW; they don't mean look around for some soft spot, they don't mean put it back in the holster, they don't mean put it in your pocket, they don't mean argue with them or tell them how valuable it is.
You will have to make a choice, right then: Drop the gun or die.
If you can't stand the idea of seeing your super dooper $1000 pistol clunk onto concrete, carry something else. But be prepared for damage to the gun; it is better than damage to yourself.
Jim
You will have to make a choice, right then: Drop the gun or die.
If you can't stand the idea of seeing your super dooper $1000 pistol clunk onto concrete, carry something else. But be prepared for damage to the gun; it is better than damage to yourself.
Jim
Pilot said:
I would recommend re-considering that. In Colorado, many (if not most) sheriffs will enter you in the state database of "Persons of Interest" when they issue a CHL. Which means that when the officer pulls up your driving record, he will then know you have a CHL. I prefer to hand over my CHL with my driver's license, so he knows before he pulls up my particulars on the computer.
I would recommend re-considering that. In Colorado, many (if not most) sheriffs will enter you in the state database of "Persons of Interest" when they issue a CHL. Which means that when the officer pulls up your driving record, he will then know you have a CHL. I prefer to hand over my CHL with my driver's license, so he knows before he pulls up my particulars on the computer.
Mannlicher
Member
I have zero use for cops doing traffic stops. I don't share any info with any cop unless directly asked, and even then, I won't say much.
Glad ya got off so easy, but I sure would not have told him about the CCW.
Glad ya got off so easy, but I sure would not have told him about the CCW.
Ryder
Member
Disarming people must be a cowboy thing because it's no kind of standard operating procedure around here either.
Good luck and have fun with that proof of insurance charge. My kid just lost his license for that. The myriad of agencies performing in that circus refused to get their act together. Oh sure, I could have paid them hundreds of dollars to make it go away but considering he was insured that's not going to happen in my lifetime. You are dealing with vampires now.
Good luck and have fun with that proof of insurance charge. My kid just lost his license for that. The myriad of agencies performing in that circus refused to get their act together. Oh sure, I could have paid them hundreds of dollars to make it go away but considering he was insured that's not going to happen in my lifetime. You are dealing with vampires now.
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