Got pulled over today...

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How does having a CCW play into me going 8 mph over the speed limit?

it doesn't, so it should not be considered.

You should know rather or not your giving them a ticket before you ever get up to the window... basing it on trival stuff is unprofessional.

If you pulled a car going a 100 in a 65 and it ended up being your mother or wife, would you write that ticket?
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Having a CCW doesn't play into you going 8mph over the speed limit unless that's the excuse you give me for doing it. What it does play into is my decision to cite you or not because it is MY DECISION. As I said before and others have pointed out, as a LEO I have a huge amount of discretion in how I handle my job and who gets stopped, cited, warned, ignored, etc. And in making those decisions I consider the totality of the circumstances so how could I know before I get to the window whether or not I'm going to write a ticket? I should not be drawing any conclusions prior to interacting with you since I have no idea what I'm going to find when I get to the window. Hell, I might be all ready to let you go and you decide to pull a gun and try to shoot me. Should I still cut you loose since I'd already decided to? Or should I change my mind and shoot you? My choice at my discretion. For the record, I'd shoot you. A lot. But that's just me, there's other guys that would probably try something else, at their discretion.

As far as writing my Mom or wife for 100 in a 65, hard to say. It could go either way depending on the situation. If I did write either of them I'd probably cut them a little slack, maybe write it for 90 instead of 100, after all I am related to them.
 
Im my state of Michigan we are required to notify if we are carrying. But since the LEO will know that we have a CPL when he runs my DL (and he might even know it already from running my plate) I'm going to tell him on his first visit to my window whether I'm carrying or not.
 
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Text book is right, put both hands on the wheel if you don't have time to get you licenses out in time. And if you have people with you that you don't want to know, let the LEO know and if they have to see it, they may ask you to pop the trunk or come to the cruiser.
 
In some places, only the rich and politically powerful get carry permits, so the cop knows that anyone with a permit can have him fired or walking a beat in a very bad area. Sure, they are respectful.

Jim
 
where did I say I would give tickets to every one?

what I said was, ccw should play zero roll in rather or not you give some one a ticket. Just like race, gender, looks, occupation, etc. should not.
 
My experience

I got pulled over by a small-town policeman for speeding through town, I don't know, like 45 in a 35 mph stretch, and didn't tell him I had a CCW (I had no weapons in the truck at the time). He ran me and came back to my truck and scolded me and said "next time you get pulled over you tell the officer you have a permit!"

You know, I understand all the officer-safety rationale for announcing you have such a permit, but I simply don't agree. No permit carrier is a threat to an officer - it's the criminal non-permit holder. Why that is such a difficult concept to grasp defies me. Permit holders can be unarmed and murderous criminals can be armed. The permit is what it is, a slip of paper.

I was respectful and might mention that I just got a warning, bless you Mr. Officer, but I remain firm in my belief that I am not obligated to announce that I have a card in my wallet.
 
The purpose for writing tickets is to change driving behavior... no matter how many people tell you it is to generate revenue. I have to decide in a matter of a few seconds with minimal information if a ticket or a warning will serve this purpose. Some officers feel no one else should have guns, but most are on the side of CCW holders. Has a police officer/deputy/LE official ever been shot by a CCW holder? Perhaps, but I don't know of any specific instance. As a general rule, CCW holders are law abiding citizens who are more likely to help me than hurt me.

To say that giving a warning over a ticket based on a CCW is unconstitutional shows a lack of understanding. The only time I "shall" issue a citation is 20 mph over the speed limit and 5 mph over the speed limit in a school zone. My department's policy leaves me with descretion on every other traffic violation. If I only write tickets, I get in trouble. If I only write warnings, I get in trouble. We like to see a 50/50 mix of warnings and tickets.

I am less likely to issue a citation to a CCW holder. However, it does not seal the deal. I don't care how polite you are with your CCW, if you lie to me you will get a ticket. If you lie, then it shows you are unwilling to admit there was a violation. Therefore, a warning is less likely to cause the change in driving behavior that is needed so a citation is warranted.

Valid license, current registration, current insurance, POLITE, HONEST. Your chances of getting a ticket (for a single violation stop) just got small. Having a CCW helps, but it isn't the only thing to consider.

My pen is directly connected to your mouth.
 
where did I say I would give tickets to every one?
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You should know rather or not your giving them a ticket before you ever get up to the window
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seems to me that would mean that they get a ticket or not without knowing anything about the situation other than what can be seen in a fraction of a second. The circumstances of the stop, misconceptions of the limits, attitude of the driver don't matter... all that matters in what you have written here is the moment the LEO saw them break the law. Beyond that either everyone gets a ticket or he/she decides at random who to ticket as that is the only possible way one could already know whether or not a ticket will be issued before ever getting to the window of the offenders vehicle....
 
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where did I say I would give tickets to every one?
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I'd much rather have a officer write a ticket to every one, then not write tickets to a single group...
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Right about there.
As a former State Trooper I can tell you that when I exited the car my mind was 90% made up about what was fixing to happen. That was my training. But real life as a nasty habit of getting in the way. There is always that variable that you do not see at the onset. That is where discretion and common sense come into play. Almost all my stops ended they way I thought they would from the get go, but some changed mid course, for better or worse. The situation is not always as it first appears.
 
No permit carrier is a threat to an officer


you mean other than the guy in ohio who finished the cop when he was down or the one who killed the ones in pa
 
Courtesy and Good Manners are Never Wrong.

You have to wonder how some of the folks who see LEO's as adversaries and threats REALLY act when they're pulled over. Are they as tough then as they are here?
Maybe so, but have you ever noticed how some people just have trouble with others no matter what the circumstances.
 
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You know, I understand all the officer-safety rationale for announcing you have such a permit, but I simply don't agree. No permit carrier is a threat to an officer - it's the criminal non-permit holder. Why that is such a difficult concept to grasp defies me.
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You may understand the concept a tad better if you think of it as "detainee safety". Generally speaking most officers do not like to be taken off guard by someone with a weapon. If they are it's a little late to try and tell the difference between a permit carrier and a criminal non-permit holder. Things can get relatively fast and serious. Almost without exception, when off duty cops are stopped by an allied agency the first words out of their mouths are "I'm an off duty police officer and I'm armed. What do you want me to do."? There is a reason why that happens.
Dead is dead, even if you got that way by mistake.
 
cassandrasdaddy No permit carrier is a threat to an officer


you mean other than the guy in ohio who finished the cop when he was down or the one who killed the ones in pa
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And this comment is necessary WHY? You name 2 instances out of a present more than millions nationwide who have concealed carry permits to prove what point exactly?

Is that all you can come up with to bash gun owners, or concealed carry holders? If you had bothered to research the guy in Pittsburg, you'd know he was not a typical concealed carry license holder, this guy had a serious problem with law enforcement for whatever reason. All the CCW holders I know personally are likely more law abiding that the normal citizen of their area, as they know that a serious violation voids their license to carry, and they feel they went through the process to carry a gun legally.
 
I'd much rather have a officer write a ticket to every one, then not write tickets to a single group...
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If you say that, I hope it also includes other members of LE and/or Gubmint agencies.

cassandrasdaddy No permit carrier is a threat to an officer
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CD is correct on this one. The poster said "No permit carrier is a threat to an officer." CD pointed out that statement is incorrect.
 
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