Finding a guide?

Elkins45

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As my 60th birthday approaches I’m thinking of buying myself a present. I’ve always wanted to hunt elk or moose and I realize just blindly applying for tags and wandering onto BLM lands is probably not the best strategy. I would appreciate some guidance from those of you that have hired hunting guides or otherwise participated in guided hunts. How do you start in finding a good one. What are some tips a first-timer should know to be successful?
 
I was hoping someone would’ve answered by now. I’m curious about this as well.
 
My suggestion would be to pick a species first (elk or moose) then which state or province (Canada). Then you can contact the wildlife department and ask for a list of approved guides.
A reputable guide will give you a list of his past clients. Most will only include successful clients. Ask for unsuccessful clients also. The best ones will supply these. Then contact some of the unsuccessful ones and see what they say. If unsuccessful clients still rcommend the guide then that's a great sign.

For a hunt that costs that much you have to do a lot of homework first. Most of the really good guides are already booked for a year or two in advance. Waiting until he has an opening or a cancellation is the best bet.
 
There is always Nilgai in TX. It is a big game animal as well. Doesn’t have the same panache as elk or moose but is economical and as such, lower stress.
 
First off identify the area you are interested in hunting. Then find several outfitters in the area, and start doing your home work. Have the outfitter provide references, call them. You’ll want to talk to clients who did not take critter during their hunt and see if they were satisfied with the service provided, as well as successful hunters.

But the truth of the matter is that the very best guides have hard hunts that don’t end in a kill and there are a lot more bad guides than good ones. You are always taking a chance on a guided hunt. You are paying for an experience not a kill if your hunt is on wild free range land or even a sizable private ranch that is free range.

If your expectations are realistic and you do your home work you should be able to find a good hunt. If you are doing a $5K pack in elk hunt in a low point or OTC public unit don’t expect to shoot a B&C bull you might not even have a chance at a legal bull. If you are paying $20K on a private free range ranch your expectation should be higher but it’s still not a guarantee. You are paying for an experience and the services of a guide. A hard working guide will do their best but they aren’t magicians.

If you want a guaranteed shot opportunity or a high percentage for a big critter you’ll need to either hunt a high fenced outfit or pay the big bucks to hunt on exclusive prime country like the White Mountain Apache reservation or some such.
 
If I were to buy a guided elk or mule deer hunt anywhere in the west I’d save up my money and do a private ranch hunt on the right piece of property. While you might get lucky on public ground, many outfitters now days that provide hunts on OTC public land are providing a back country pack in camping trip that include rifles, hunters Orange, some campfire tales and little more.
 
Moose tags are hard to come by and/or quite expensive. I think in Colorado it can take 15-20 years to get drawn and it is a once in a lifetime chance. Not sure about other states, but elk would be a more realistic and less expensive option.

I can't say much about states other than Colorado and I have no experience with guides.

you might get lucky on public ground, many outfitters now days that provide hunts on OTC public land are providing a back country pack in camping trip that include rifles, hunters Orange, some campfire tales and little more.

You can do that a lot cheaper on your own and probably still have just as good a chance to kill something. I've done 2 DIY hunts. I was unsuccessful both times, but I know 2 different sets of 3 brothers who drive from GA to CO every fall and they almost always have at least one of the 3 connect on an elk. This is on public land, unguided, with OTC tags.

The last time I hunted there was 2018. There were 9 groups of hunters staying in the cabins where I stayed, and 4 elk were taken that week.

One of my wife's brothers has taken several elk and mule deer in Colorado and has never used a guide. He buys a preference point every year. In the past he'd go about every 3rd or 4th year with 3-4 points. You used to be able to get into a decent area with 3 points. That may no longer be true.

He hasn't hunted there in about a dozen years and has about a dozen points saved up. Both of his kids are now grown, and he plans to go back in another 2-3 years and with 14-15 points should be able to get drawn for a good area.

At age 60 it may not be worth trying to buy points. But for younger guys who think they might go in the future you should start buying them now.

If you can afford 5 figures to get on private land that would be the best odds for killing something. If not, a DIY hunt is something to consider. It would be best if you could go along with a group that has done this in the past. That is what I did the 1st time. The 2nd time it was just me and my wife who didn't hunt.
 
What are OTC tags?

OTC are over the counter tags, which are tags that you can buy every year. These tags are sold in the lowest quality hunting units. Then there are draw only tags in which you have to put in for a drawing and there are limited numbers of tags available in those units so you aren’t guaranteed a tag in those areas. The higher quality the unit the more points it takes to draw for it.

The third way to get a tag in Colorado is buy a land owner tag. Land owners can get a certain number of tags depending on the amount of land and the number of elk on their property. They are allowed to sell those tags.

OTC does not always equal low quality hunting. It just means that there will be much higher hunting pressure in those units. If you know a unit well and have the ability to get way back into some of these units they can provide surprisingly good hunting.
 
I'm interested in the process myself for the possibility of a future hunt. I likewise, have little idea where to start.
 
Word of mouth from somebody that you trust is probably the safest bet. I've gone on a couple of Newfoundland moose hunts that started that way and was happy with the results.

When I wanted to go on a guided elk hunt a couple of years ago an outfitter that was recommended to me was booked, and honestly talking to him on the phone left some doubts about booking with him in the future. I met a booking agent at a local sportsmans show and put my trust in him. When I told him the kind of hunt I was interested in (a family group of 4 with no trophy expectations) he gave me 3 options. We booked with one and had a great time. All of us got a bull, and the food and accommodations were top notch on a family owned Colorado ranch.

This guy, and his associates, have been doing it for several decades. They personally hunt with all of their outfitters before they put them on their list and they rely on repeat customers so aren't going to recommend anyone that is shaky. After the hunt we got a questionnaire to document our experience, both pros and cons. I know you are putting a lot trust in a stranger but in this case I got the sense that he was legit and his recommendations were solid. If I was starting from scratch again, I'd definitely give him a call.
 
There is always Nilgai in TX. It is a big game animal as well. Doesn’t have the same panache as elk or moose but is economical and as such, lower stress.


Only problem is that "high fence" huntin' AIN'T huntin'. Close friend who's son killed a bison on one of those fenced in tracts in Penna. made that call as he was trimming and quartering the critter.............course the boy had the head mounted but thereafter everytime the old man would enter his son's trophy room he'd ask when he was going back to the barnyard!
 
Only problem is that "high fence" huntin' AIN'T huntin'. Close friend who's son killed a bison on one of those fenced in tracts in Penna. made that call as he was trimming and quartering the critter.............course the boy had the head mounted but thereafter everytime the old man would enter his son's trophy room he'd ask when he was going back to the barnyard!

That really depends on the size and terrain and cover inside the high fenced area. And I agree that there will always be a stigma attached to a high fence. I don’t think the King ranch is high fenced I could be wrong but I think it’s all free roaming.
 
I have a friend that went on a black bear hunt in Manitoba. Bear he got was huge. Evidently the bears in that area run very big.

Their success rate is extremely high and he was totally pleased. If you are interested PM and I’ll forward the info. I have no personal interest in this organization. Just info from a guy I trust highly

If I were even five years younger I’d be going
 
Only problem is that "high fence" huntin' AIN'T huntin'. Close friend who's son killed a bison on one of those fenced in tracts in Penna. made that call as he was trimming and quartering the critter.............course the boy had the head mounted but thereafter everytime the old man would enter his son's trophy room he'd ask when he was going back to the barnyard!

That really depends on the size and terrain and cover inside the high fenced area. And I agree that there will always be a stigma attached to a high fence. I don’t think the King ranch is high fenced I could be wrong but I think it’s all free roaming.

Not high fence on the King Ranch. You can hunt Nilgai on public land too.
 
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