Fine Tuning POI/POA and Some Drills....

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As much as I like and advocate using a pattern board to get shotguns shooting where we're looking,I have to admit patterning boards have one drawback.

They're stationary. We mostly shoot at moving stuff with shotguns, and the moves are subtly different.

Anyway, Ed Clapper, who writes as AverageEd, wrote about a technique for dialing in a shotgun. His example had an adjustable comb, but the technique is usable for any repeater. It's also inexpensive and fast. Here it is...

Using a standard trap on a standard trap range, lock it down to throw only straightaways and stand at Post 3. Use a tight choke and a typical box of shells.. Shoot a few targets and read the breaks.

Reading the breaks is simple. Observe how the clay breaks. If the big piece flies up,you're hitting the bottom of the target. If it flies off to the right, you're hitting on the left and so on. Repeat until a pattern of breaks emerges, then move the stock in the direction you want the shot to move. Shims can do some of this, adding or removing wood also. Do this until all the targets are busting into itty bitty pieces or smoked.

Then, shoot some from Posts 1 and 5 and compare the results. If the same results happen, you're done. Otherwise, tweak the fit until it's shooting like a machine.

Now, a couple drills that can be used to fine tune your move to the target.

First, although it's been covered here before, is practice mounts at home. Besides getting consistent mounts, it works the very muscles you need to shoot with.

Second, using a technique cribbed from Gil Ash and company, try this.

Any clay trajectory has a sweet spot, a place where the clay can best be shattered. This varies with the shot, the shooter, the conditions, etc.

Shoot a clay shot op three ways. Too close, too far and in the sweet spot. This enables us to identify the sweet spot, and with repetition we end up doing it unconsciously.

As an example, that trap locked into straightaways serves. Stand on post 3, shoot some as soon as you can track them, then some out there where the clay starts to drop, then where the clay slows but before it drops. Change loads and chokes if you need to.

Next, if you've shot that premounted, do it from low gun. If you did it low gun, go for premounted.

Once these hits are coming like clockwork, do it from other posts, and do it from none. Shoot from a place you haven't shot from before for different angles and views.

Do a speed round, or the other variants we've talked about. Mix things up, and remember to have fun.

Questions, comments, donations?....
 
Whaddya mean- you Can't miss with all them pellets... :p

Good topic - Great Post to bring up Dave!

Dave you know how we have folks close eyes and mount a couple of times, and dryfire before firing onto Pattern board with a live round ? Or Close eyes a couple of time while mounting - then open eyes to " see" how in fact the guns fits, if gun is canted, POA/ POI...etc. Well some variations parallel some points in your original posts.

Naturally 4 rules apply .

-Use the " ball and dummy" drill .
-Use a pattern board that will move.
- Don't tell the person the pattern Board will move. ;)
( not to be mean , instead this shows mounting under pressure, fine tunes the gun fit part, re-enforces Focus and Concentration....etc.)

Reading the breaks:

One can " see the shot pattern" when the Barometric Pressure and lighting is a certain way. One way to assist is to use a puff or two of graphite in the load - when reloading.

Read the Breaks on the target as Dave mentioned.
Reading the wad does NOT give you an accurate indication of anything - except the load had a wad.

Fred Missedine in his books not only wrote and had diagrams on how to hit - he had the same for why you miss the stations.

Using Low 7 in Skeet for instance....I have had folks close their eyes and break the target - consistently. The gun has been patterned , the gun fits shooter, the shooter has ingrained the CORRECT mounting of gun , basics and fundamentals. Premount or Low gun.

I actually have had blind folks break targets at low 7 , and from hand traps, and keep getting good hits on a pattern board.

They wanted to shoot a shotgun , they wanted to know and learn. I saw no reason why they shouldn't , they have a right like the rest of us. These folks play golf and shoot with Bow to take game....Re- enforces the idea of proper gun fit and learning the basics , keep learning and practicing the basics and fundamentals.

We had fun , I still learned more and more had fun than the folks without sight. Don't care what they said.



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Reading the wad does NOT give you an accurate indication of anything - except the load had a wad.

A few months ago, I was introducing a new shooter to the joys of shotgunning. We had a trap house locked down to throw straightaways from #3, and were just a few steps behind the house.

His first couple shots were low. Then he had one very high. Then too low again. Then high. I stopped for a minute and we worked on getting the gun shouldered correctly and talked a bit about focus on the clay and "blotting out the target". While talking with him, it became obvious that he'd been using the wad from the previous shot to guide where he was shooting.

Once I explained that the wad was not exactly aerodynamically stable, and that it's best to ignore it entirely, he started breaking targets with regularity.

BTW Dave - Great topic and techniques!
 
Thanks, folks. A coupla things...

I didn't mention the eyes closed thing because it's been covered more than once here.

One of the skeet greats ran 25 while blindfolded.

Wads end up going everywhere, subject only to chance. Not a way to read the actual shot path.

Seeing the shot is something I can do under an overcast sky, and not all the time then. It looks like a cloud of gnats.
 
Trapper -

Being a Skeeter , and according to Trap folks , us Skeeters ain't that smart whaddya asking me for? :D

Them darn fools stand out in the middle and have targets come at 'em " :p

Then I complicated stuff by taking up 5 stand , Sporting Clays and Live Pigeon ....

Now you know why I am so screwed up.

When loading up a scattergun - Primer to the rear - right? :neener:

Remember folks - Repetition becomes habit - habit becomes faith

NO matter the game - all clays are evil and must be destroyed .
 
Dave - thx for a stimulating topic. Good words and ones I should put into play - if only I got to shoot this stuff more often.

Guess as shotties are bottom of list for me (compared with handguns and rifles) I must expect desultory performance still!:rolleyes: :D

I will however next time out endevor to employ some of your wisdom .... as I have said many a time ... despite my aged self .. I seak to learn and practice.

Once that goes - it's wooden box time!:p
 
Chris -

You might surprise yourself . I figure your problems might just be "pointing" not aiming the shotgun, gun fit , swing and follow through.

Heck the shotgun has some recoil, makes noise and really cool flash at night with certain ammo, I like slugs so we have BIG holes....right up your alley my friend. :D

Getting too cold up your way - someday I need to head your way when warmer and hang out. Might not share what little I know about a shotgun with you....in fact you would most likley teach me stuff . Then again we'd probably just both drive your wife nuts...we'd have a good time though. :p
 
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