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Firearms and the South
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MagnumDweeb
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As a most bellicous and ornery southenner as I say this a mistaken view. Good folks from Vermont, Montanna, New Hampshire, to name a few have better laws and ways of looking on gun laws than folks here in Florida. I'm 7th generation southernner and have plenty of Native American to get me mistaken for everything for Puerto Rican to what have you when I grow my hair out and clean up my eyebrows. Lots of tranplant yankees who have ruined the state of Florida like you wouldn't believe. Take your PC nonesense and cowardice back from where you come, satan get behind thee j/k.
Folks who think guns are more popular in the south strike me as 'yankees,' and well southernners refer to yankees as white trash like some call rednecks white trash. I'm a redneck, not white trash, in law school, have spoken a few different lanaguages, and know more about so many things than any yankee I have ever met.
My jewish relatives, ancestors popped off the boat from Egypt in the 1830s and as its been told to me they've needed guns ever since. And there are the handed down stories of of ancestors meteing out justice to everyone from Carpetbaggers to Klan.
Plus when we southernners hear them yankees spout their un-American nonsense, hope and change with other anti-American garbage we think it's a better idea to invest in lead than the stock market. Yankees never have anything good to say or laws to pass i.e. FDR, JFK, Slick Willly, Obama. Bullets are more fun and aren't likely to lose 80% of their value like a stock. Which is hypocrisy because I play the stock market like a fiend and make good money at it. On a by and by more and more folks being born in Florida aren't southernners, just 2nd generation Yankee progeny.
Folks who think guns are more popular in the south strike me as 'yankees,' and well southernners refer to yankees as white trash like some call rednecks white trash. I'm a redneck, not white trash, in law school, have spoken a few different lanaguages, and know more about so many things than any yankee I have ever met.
My jewish relatives, ancestors popped off the boat from Egypt in the 1830s and as its been told to me they've needed guns ever since. And there are the handed down stories of of ancestors meteing out justice to everyone from Carpetbaggers to Klan.
Plus when we southernners hear them yankees spout their un-American nonsense, hope and change with other anti-American garbage we think it's a better idea to invest in lead than the stock market. Yankees never have anything good to say or laws to pass i.e. FDR, JFK, Slick Willly, Obama. Bullets are more fun and aren't likely to lose 80% of their value like a stock. Which is hypocrisy because I play the stock market like a fiend and make good money at it. On a by and by more and more folks being born in Florida aren't southernners, just 2nd generation Yankee progeny.
THE DARK KNIGHT
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It is not about region vs. region.
It's about city vs. rural. The lower the population density the more people into shooting hunting etc. Hell, even in stereotyped liberal states like NJ, there are many people in the NW and SW/SE corners of the state who live in more rural areas and are much more into guns than say, people around here in NYC suburbs.
Also +1 on that. THe current wave of immigrants coming to the country are from places where only cops and drug dealers have guns, and think of them as something very, very bad. In fact, many are unaware that it is legal for civilians to own guns in the USA. Hell, I have met people born and raised in the USA that suddenly lower their voices and whisper "where'd you get that?" because they do not know you can legally buy guns.
It's about city vs. rural. The lower the population density the more people into shooting hunting etc. Hell, even in stereotyped liberal states like NJ, there are many people in the NW and SW/SE corners of the state who live in more rural areas and are much more into guns than say, people around here in NYC suburbs.
Also +1 on that. THe current wave of immigrants coming to the country are from places where only cops and drug dealers have guns, and think of them as something very, very bad. In fact, many are unaware that it is legal for civilians to own guns in the USA. Hell, I have met people born and raised in the USA that suddenly lower their voices and whisper "where'd you get that?" because they do not know you can legally buy guns.
chevyforlife21
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everyone around here has guns i agree with dark night no one has guns in the cities, if you live in the country most people do. but i also didnt know that dark night, most people i have ever known have had a gun
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sheepdog
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...and judging from the "immigrants" we see down here...that would be good...New Years' Day there was enough brass on the streets of Dallas to build the Statue of Liberty a well-endowed boyfriend....some folks don't need guns....
It's a little past 10pm tonight. Not ten minutes ago I walked out to the end of my 100 yard-long gravel driveway to throw a broken rake-head in my roll-out trash-bin. (The pick-up service I pay for comes by on Friday mornings.) As I dropped the lid, I hear what sounds like a small dog trotting out of the woods... It's a BIG skunk coming straight at me. I pull the 442 from my pocket and am aimed to fire when it's fifteen feet from me. It turns off at 90 degrees at about ten feet as I am beginning to squeeze the trigger... so I hold fire so as not to scare the wife and kids. Was it rabid? Don't know. But why else would it act so strangely?
In the sticks, it's practical necessity...
Les
In the sticks, it's practical necessity...
Les
jimmyraythomason
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That isn't strange behavior for a skunk,they are naturally curious. Had it been rabid you would(in all likelyhood) have had to kill it.
sheepdog
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...he maybe thought you were a relative, then realized you were a good ole Southern boy!!!
I feel I must chime in from the Northeast (CT). Although we do have an AWB in place, it is very narrow and has little bearing on most shooters. We have CCW permits, no mag limits, no silly "no guns" signs we have to pay attention to while carrying, only places off limits are schools, courthouse, legislature buildings, and post offices. Once you get your permit, which is very simple to do, you can purchase your hand gun or rifle and walk home with it, no waiting period. I think it is a misconception all northern/northeastern states are not gun friendly. Now we could do with some better self defense and castle doctrine laws in CT, but from a carry perspective we have it just as good as other southern states. Possibly better since we don't have to worry about those silly "no carry" signs, banks, hospitals, etc. 
I lived in TX for 5.5yrs and never could figure out that silly sign because ever place you went there was one posted on the door! What gives with that?
I lived in TX for 5.5yrs and never could figure out that silly sign because ever place you went there was one posted on the door! What gives with that? DammitBoy
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How else are we supposed to Rise Again?!
sheepdog
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...having just reviewed your "may issue" two-permit rules and restrictions...I think I wouldn't trade with you...I think we've got it much better here....enjoy...
...as to our prohibited signage...not one bank I've seen in the DFW area uses them...and there're maybe four in my town of 40K people...not bad....and we can carry on our property or businesses without a permit...and we're SHALL issue...don't have to be judged "suitable" by the issuing authority...yeah, I'll take Texas...oh, did I mention we don't need a permit to carry handguns in our cars? Yeah, I'm kinda proud of our great State!!!
...as to our prohibited signage...not one bank I've seen in the DFW area uses them...and there're maybe four in my town of 40K people...not bad....and we can carry on our property or businesses without a permit...and we're SHALL issue...don't have to be judged "suitable" by the issuing authority...yeah, I'll take Texas...oh, did I mention we don't need a permit to carry handguns in our cars? Yeah, I'm kinda proud of our great State!!!
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Colton White
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Just leave us alone there is no more room in Texas ya here me! Ocupado!
As my late mother was fond of saying
"I am a charter member of
Both the Daughters of the Republic
And the Daughters of the Confederacy
And I despise them both."
She put a lot of whip into those words,
Because she was her own woman.
(This is because half her family was Jamestown,
And half the early Huguenot settlers in Louisiana)
Consider this before you get too far out on the gangplank...............
I am a tarheel bred and born,
But a long way from home.
isher
"I am a charter member of
Both the Daughters of the Republic
And the Daughters of the Confederacy
And I despise them both."
She put a lot of whip into those words,
Because she was her own woman.
(This is because half her family was Jamestown,
And half the early Huguenot settlers in Louisiana)
Consider this before you get too far out on the gangplank...............
I am a tarheel bred and born,
But a long way from home.
isher
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Probably due to the Civil War to some extent. They were treated pretty badly by us Yankees after that war and I believe that had some affect on their need for firearms.
Plus, Sherman's march was just devastating and the cruelty of that march has not been forgotton in the sense of what it represents overall IMHO. (I know it was war but that march should have never happened.)
But being a Yankee I can't say for sure obviously.
It's just something they felt was a fundamental need due to their experiences in the Civil War to quite an extent IMHO. That heritage has been passed down from generation to generation IMHO.
ETA: I will say this: Without the southerners strong pro-gun stance, I FIRMLY believe the second amendment would have been, for all intents and purposes, abolished in many, many areas. The southerners kept the second amendment alive more than any segment of American society IMHO.
God bless them for that!! (That's why I get very scared when I hear southerners sometimes say they would like to secede again. I would be absolutely HEARTBROKEN if that ever happened.)
Plus, Sherman's march was just devastating and the cruelty of that march has not been forgotton in the sense of what it represents overall IMHO. (I know it was war but that march should have never happened.)
But being a Yankee I can't say for sure obviously.
It's just something they felt was a fundamental need due to their experiences in the Civil War to quite an extent IMHO. That heritage has been passed down from generation to generation IMHO.
ETA: I will say this: Without the southerners strong pro-gun stance, I FIRMLY believe the second amendment would have been, for all intents and purposes, abolished in many, many areas. The southerners kept the second amendment alive more than any segment of American society IMHO.
God bless them for that!! (That's why I get very scared when I hear southerners sometimes say they would like to secede again. I would be absolutely HEARTBROKEN if that ever happened.)
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CajunBass
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The northeast seems to be the real hotbed of anti-gun sentiment. And the Pacific coast, with a few stronghold around the great lakes. I wonder if that's not because those areas were hotbeds of immigration. The "powers that be" for whatever reasons wanted to keep "those people" disarmed, whatever group "those people" happened to be at the time. (You know how "those people" get on Saturday night. They get drunk, they kill one another all the time, they're nothing but thieves by nature.)
You guys talking about urban vs. rural have me a little confused.
Are there any anti-gun cities in the South that remotely resemble cities like New York or Chicago?
In fact, are there ANY anti-gun cities in the South? I've never heard of any.
Are there any anti-gun cities in the South that remotely resemble cities like New York or Chicago?
In fact, are there ANY anti-gun cities in the South? I've never heard of any.
sheepdog
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...all joking aside...
...and we've done a lot of joking here...I believe that the Americans who love and enjoy guns...have learned from history that the best way to keep their families, their homes, and their freedom is to be prepared to fight for it if necessary...and that those who don't like or are uncomfortable with Americans having guns aren't so ready or willing to fight...but instead rely on the very organism that is their biggest threat...their government...to keep them safe and well taken care of...the Revolutionary War, the Civil War and Reconstruction, WWI and WWII, the Holocaust,9/11 and events and attempts before and after...all these events remind us that our guns are far more than tools to bring in game and provide entertainment...the spirit of freedom whispers in our ears that the only thing keeping us free is our willingness to stand up with arms against anyone who would take that freedom from us...and they know it...we must never let it happen...wear our Congressmen out...yell and scream...most importantly use our votes wisely...so that our grandchildren can have this discussion someday...
...and we've done a lot of joking here...I believe that the Americans who love and enjoy guns...have learned from history that the best way to keep their families, their homes, and their freedom is to be prepared to fight for it if necessary...and that those who don't like or are uncomfortable with Americans having guns aren't so ready or willing to fight...but instead rely on the very organism that is their biggest threat...their government...to keep them safe and well taken care of...the Revolutionary War, the Civil War and Reconstruction, WWI and WWII, the Holocaust,9/11 and events and attempts before and after...all these events remind us that our guns are far more than tools to bring in game and provide entertainment...the spirit of freedom whispers in our ears that the only thing keeping us free is our willingness to stand up with arms against anyone who would take that freedom from us...and they know it...we must never let it happen...wear our Congressmen out...yell and scream...most importantly use our votes wisely...so that our grandchildren can have this discussion someday...
I have found by reading many forum posts about N vs S that nearly no one has any idea about what they are talking about when it comes to an area they do not live in. You southerners are just as bad as the northerners when it comes to not having any idea what is going on in other parts of the country, you just assume that your little spot of "heaven" is the best place on earth.
See. In my area, NW, we have what you southerners don't know much about, the northerners know what I mean, they are called seasons (your own seasons may vary slightly). We have 4 of them. hot, wet, cold and wet. No one but hunters and die hards shoot in the winter, after all it's freaking cold and my 22 semi's don't run right, wet and wet are always unknown, it could freeze in the morning, be 60 in the afternoon and snow in between , and hot is fairly popular, but since we only get about 2 months of hot and 6 months of wet, we do other activities trying to cram all of our hot activities into a very short period of time. Guns tend to be a popular but since we have hundreds of lakes, 4 wheeling, auto racing (oval and drag), sporting events, and many, many other fun things to do, guns are not primary for most people. I know a lot of people with shotguns and 22's for no other reason than to kill clay pigeons when other friends go out.
If you take my comments as anything other than satire you are an idiot. And if you think I called you an idiot, I can't help you.
See. In my area, NW, we have what you southerners don't know much about, the northerners know what I mean, they are called seasons (your own seasons may vary slightly). We have 4 of them. hot, wet, cold and wet. No one but hunters and die hards shoot in the winter, after all it's freaking cold and my 22 semi's don't run right, wet and wet are always unknown, it could freeze in the morning, be 60 in the afternoon and snow in between , and hot is fairly popular, but since we only get about 2 months of hot and 6 months of wet, we do other activities trying to cram all of our hot activities into a very short period of time. Guns tend to be a popular but since we have hundreds of lakes, 4 wheeling, auto racing (oval and drag), sporting events, and many, many other fun things to do, guns are not primary for most people. I know a lot of people with shotguns and 22's for no other reason than to kill clay pigeons when other friends go out.
If you take my comments as anything other than satire you are an idiot. And if you think I called you an idiot, I can't help you.
hivel37
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Are there any anti-gun cities in the South that remotely resemble cities like New York or Chicago?
Can't say for sure. I try to avoid them.
Being a child of the so-called "Great Depression", firearms had a different meaning. Besides defending farm and family, guns were a subsistence tool. Many times what we had for supper depended on what Dad could shoot coming home from the field.
Can't say for sure. I try to avoid them.
Being a child of the so-called "Great Depression", firearms had a different meaning. Besides defending farm and family, guns were a subsistence tool. Many times what we had for supper depended on what Dad could shoot coming home from the field.
GojuBrian
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I am shocked when I meet a guy that has no firearms down here....shocked I tell ya!!!
sheepdog
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...I'd say New Orleans was the most anti-gun city in the South...gov't there has always been hard on gun owners...since the 60s, anyways...that's when I left Pa and came to La...gooberment there has always been crooked and oppressive...don't know of any others....
...Dookie...having had the pleasure of those "season" things, I'd much rather have my snow in two-day doses, my rain once a month whether I need it or not...and lots of the spring, summer, and fall stuff...Texas....if you'd get rid of some of those lakes, you wouldn't need so much rain and you'd have some LAND...we got lots of elbow room down here...leave your boat and come on down!!!
...Dookie...having had the pleasure of those "season" things, I'd much rather have my snow in two-day doses, my rain once a month whether I need it or not...and lots of the spring, summer, and fall stuff...Texas....if you'd get rid of some of those lakes, you wouldn't need so much rain and you'd have some LAND...we got lots of elbow room down here...leave your boat and come on down!!!
HoosierQ said it!
I’ve worked jobs in many states and have learned it’s not North vs South. It’s big city vs rural. I wonder if it relates to the immigrant heritage back in Europe. Did those from European cities tend to stay in cities here and those from farms or small towns tend to settle out in the rural areas?
Those states which have a large city population ratio over the rest of the state seem to be ruled by the city and the cities are where most crime happens. Yes, I can think of exceptions to this.
Nor does it seem to be related to Scotch-Irish; Texas has a rich German heritage, Also Czechoslovakian (ye gads! my spell checker says I spelled that right all on my own).
We (in Texas) also have a lot of Spanish, natural born Texans with a Texas heritage longer than we Anglos have, and they are as much percentage gun people as we Anglos.
I’m not sure if we have a lot of Polish because all of our jokes are about Texas Aggies.
I’ve worked jobs in many states and have learned it’s not North vs South. It’s big city vs rural. I wonder if it relates to the immigrant heritage back in Europe. Did those from European cities tend to stay in cities here and those from farms or small towns tend to settle out in the rural areas?
Those states which have a large city population ratio over the rest of the state seem to be ruled by the city and the cities are where most crime happens. Yes, I can think of exceptions to this.
Nor does it seem to be related to Scotch-Irish; Texas has a rich German heritage, Also Czechoslovakian (ye gads! my spell checker says I spelled that right all on my own).
We (in Texas) also have a lot of Spanish, natural born Texans with a Texas heritage longer than we Anglos have, and they are as much percentage gun people as we Anglos.
I’m not sure if we have a lot of Polish because all of our jokes are about Texas Aggies.
bdickens
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Perhaps because liberty is more popular in the South.
-Partly chicken-and-egg question, in that there is less to be gained politically from pushing gun control here. The gun control propaganda has a real foothold in the "North" because of the Kennedy assassinations, and the North (perhaps correctly) considers itself more involved in politics for better and worse. Of course it isn't like Brady et al haven't tried the South either.
-Less urban development. Less urbanity (lower population) means less total crime usually. Less total crime means less visible crime. Less visible crime means fewer kneejerk reactions to criminals' possessing guns.
-In the same vein, less urbanity means more self-reliance generally.
-As much as we informed 2nd amendment advocates dissociate ourselves from hunting while we do our politicking, we have more hunters and more people who are comfortable with guns as a result of it. Remember, exposure to responsible usage is the biggest step.
-Less urban development. Less urbanity (lower population) means less total crime usually. Less total crime means less visible crime. Less visible crime means fewer kneejerk reactions to criminals' possessing guns.
-In the same vein, less urbanity means more self-reliance generally.
-As much as we informed 2nd amendment advocates dissociate ourselves from hunting while we do our politicking, we have more hunters and more people who are comfortable with guns as a result of it. Remember, exposure to responsible usage is the biggest step.
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