Fired worker, 45, uses a pistol with a laser sight - will laser sights be the next bumpstock?

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mrmike7189 said:
I saw one of the off the rails leftist networks at work as it happened and believe I heard them say something to the effect of "another middle-aged white male snapped"
.......................except that the shooter was Black........wow more great reporting going on by the US media!
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Why let the truth get in the way of a great story?
 
One a question (or two): Is being "shot dead" anything like being killed? If you see a dead person, can you shoot them alive? And what does a laser sight have to do with a shooting? Without the laser sight, would he have missed all his targets? This is another case of massive media hype. I'm surprised they didn't include the make, model, caliber and whether it was a revolver or semi-auto.
 
Walkalong said:
Irrelevant to the antis, it isn't about saving lives, never has been, that lie just helps sell gun control.
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I agree completely, But common sense tells many people (many more than the media or left would like for you to believe) that it's true. Mike tyson with his bare hands (or some new dental implants) could be deadly to many people. Can they pass laws banning closed fists? Then add in sticks/ swords/ bats etc.

Most people realize that being a nutcase and killing people is, in fact, against the law. Federal law, state law, law of the land. Doesn't matter. It's against them all. And more laws wouldn't have helped. Assuming he (as stated above) had actually been in trouble for stabbing someone, also illegal, I'm guessing he was prohibited anyway.

The media and a few nutjob celebrities say something and it's claimed to be the popular opinion. They can claim that 50 something percent want more gun control but I can't find anyone they actually surveyed. Maybe they surveyed at a DNC meeting. I can go to an elvis convention and interview everyone and proudly report that 90% of Americans believe the king is still alive. Or go to a MADD meeting and survey how many believe in prohibition......... you aren't technically lying. You did the survey. That's just the way it works.
Anyway, I don't think anyone will go for lasers at this point. This is the first incident that explicitly named them that I know of. Bump stocks had been whined about by the media , and even by some gun owners who seen them as a way to circumvent the law (my opinion on the matter is irrelevant) for a while. Now if a few more nutjobs use them it could certainly get there. I'm guessing this guy used a revolver or 10 rd mags since there was no mention of "hi-caps". Also 5 people in the plant were killed. 5 officers shot.
 
Black guy, uses a pistol in the gun control mecca of Chicago. This will be like the Muslim who shot people up in California, you won't hear a peep out of MSM. It's already on the back burner.
 
WOW! Some of the toughest gun control and they still can't get it right. But they want more. I hope the victims families sues the city and state. The police should have went and got it immediately. That letter demanding he surrender the gun must have been written on the same paper as Orders of Protection. Worthless.

Martin was not supposed to own a gun because of a 1995 aggravated assault conviction in Mississippi, she said.
But he obtained one in Illinois in 2014. In January of that year, he applied for a firearms owner identification card, she said.
In March 2014, he applied to buy a gun from a dealer in Aurora. After a waiting period and passing a background check that did not involve fingerprinting, he bought the gun, she said.
Later that month, he applied for a concealed carry permit, and a fingerprint check led authorities to discover the Mississippi conviction, Ziman said.
The permit was rejected, and Illinois State Police sent him a letter demanding he voluntarily surrender the weapon, but he did not, the chief said. Investigators are trying to determine why he didn't surrender the weapon and whether law enforcement followed up with him to confiscate the gun.
 
Jessesky said:
I don’t even like laser sights, or bump stocks. But I care about this for the sheer fact of infringement.
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Exactly. It's kind of like the gun-nut grip, or the pistol bayonette. I would absolutely never have a gun with anything of the sort on it....... but do not support a ban because eventually they will get to something I actually do like.
 
Scooter22 said:
WOW! Some of the toughest gun control and they still can't get it right. But they want more. I hope the victims families sues the city and state. The police should have went and got it immediately. That letter demanding he surrender the gun must have been written on the same paper as Orders of Protection. Worthless.

Martin was not supposed to own a gun because of a 1995 aggravated assault conviction in Mississippi, she said.
But he obtained one in Illinois in 2014. In January of that year, he applied for a firearms owner identification card, she said.
In March 2014, he applied to buy a gun from a dealer in Aurora. After a waiting period and passing a background check that did not involve fingerprinting, he bought the gun, she said.
Later that month, he applied for a concealed carry permit, and a fingerprint check led authorities to discover the Mississippi conviction, Ziman said.
The permit was rejected, and Illinois State Police sent him a letter demanding he voluntarily surrender the weapon, but he did not, the chief said. Investigators are trying to determine why he didn't surrender the weapon and whether law enforcement followed up with him to confiscate the gun.
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Tragic and fatal series of mistakes here.
 
BUT it's an African American. Lets see how they spin this to make it the workers and companies fault.
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Well we learned what that approach will be. It was covered as a mass-shooting on NBC Today with never ever a picture of the shooter. If you don’t show the picture, it still fits your “oh-my-god-guns-again” narrative.

I’m thinking the fact the weapon is a Smith &Wesson is hurting the narrative because I haven’t heard the words “automatic pistol”. I’m betting the newsies don’t know that some Smith’s aren’t revolvers. :D
 
The newsies don’t know what’s not written in their notes or on the camera screen. And they don’t care. They aren’t paid to be intelligent. For gods sake a woman who can’t put two sentences together without looking like like she’s in pain is Speaker of the House! Occasionally if you watch the news, you’ll see a “discussion”. During the exchange the host will ask a question and the guest will try to answer and explain. But if you watch enough, you’ll see the host ask a question and the camera won’t pan fast enough to the guest, or will pan back to the host too quickly, and you’ll see the host looking for their next question or playing on their phone. They aren’t paying attention. They don’t care. They get paid to read things on tv.
 
psyopspec said:
Don’t need votes anymore. The current administration changed the game on gun control by executive order.

To OPs question, I don’t think lasers are next. My money is on braces, then so-called large cap mags, then semi-autos. I don’t think it’s out of the question that some of that happens under this administration.
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I'm I the only one appalled by this bump-stock thing? No legislation, no opportunity to register with ATF, no compensation for taking of property. Why is the NRA rolling over on this? I've stopped my contributions for the time being.

Talk about letting the camel's nose in the tent, this makes Obama's attempt with arm braces to criminalize how you hold your pistol look like nothing. If this stands, all semi-autos could be declared "non-sporting".
 
More assertive gun control laws would likely have allowed law enforcement to confiscate the weapon involuntarily. If Mississippi had been compelled to put its fingerprint and crime data into a centralized database that Illinois pulled its FOID data from, there’s a chance he could have been picked up sooner. And if he’d been in most other states, there would never even be a discussion of state responsibility, because they don’t have FOID equivalents.

Had this man been limited to a revolver, probably wouldn’t have killed as many people.
 
Do we know he wasn't limited to a revolver?
Ive still not seen that. And with the media not saying otherwise I'm not sure.
Also if I'm reading correctly, Mississippi did submit the prints. Ill didn't require them until he tried to get a concealed permit.
Killing people is illegal. So was stabbing the woman in Mississippi. I'm guessing he wasn't worried about speeding or any other laws on the way to the warehouses. Nor was he worried about being shot back at.... due to the "no gun zone"
 
The Liberal said:
More assertive gun control laws would likely have allowed law enforcement to confiscate the weapon involuntarily. If Mississippi had been compelled to put its fingerprint and crime data into a centralized database that Illinois pulled its FOID data from, there’s a chance he could have been picked up sooner. And if he’d been in most other states, there would never even be a discussion of state responsibility, because they don’t have FOID equivalents.

Had this man been limited to a revolver, probably wouldn’t have killed as many people.
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How about when the State clowns found out he had a violent past and was in possession of a firearm when he shouldn't have they would have enforced the existing laws sent a couple officers to get the gun instead of relying on the post office or the perp to turn it over. Wait that make too much sense right?
 
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Do we know he wasn't limited to a revolver?
Ive still not seen that. And with the media not saying otherwise I'm not sure.
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Not definitively, no. But they are reporting it had a laser attached. And while I'm sure that some on this board have a laser sight on their revolvers, I think it's more likely on a semi-auto.
 
The Liberal said:
More assertive gun control laws would likely have allowed law enforcement to confiscate the weapon involuntarily.
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Assuming he was a prohibited person with an invalid FOID card (as is reported), they should have been able to do just that after he failed to voluntarily turn in the gun.

Seems more like a failure of enforcement to me.

But I am no lawyer.
 
Ive seen many more crimson trace equipped revolvers than autos. Especially in concealed carry classes. I think the sights just suck so bad that they are common place. It's also easier to add a laser on a gun with removable grips than the small autos, especially before the pinned on models came out and still be able to fit most holsters. Unless one wants a lasermax internal in which case a standard holster is fine (And I have had issues with those to put it mildly)
The lack of "semi-automatic" or "capacity" in every article is making me wonder if it wasn't an lcr or some other revolver. But I have no idea.
 
The Liberal said:
Had this man been limited to a revolver, probably wouldn’t have killed as many people.
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He was limited to NO GUN AT ALL. Still didn't stop it. And when you watched this latest criminal reload a revolver, how fast was he?
 
Hey, I have an idea...Let’s give the Anti’s all the info they need to compile their list of things they should try to ban...good idea?
(He said sarcastically.)
 
Pat Riot said:
Hey, I have an idea...Let’s give the Anti’s all the info they need to compile their list of things they should try to ban...good idea?
(He said sarcastically.)
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They don’t need us for that. They just ban whatever looks scary, you know, like “the shoulder thing that goes up.”
 
Lasers will never be banned. Can't you read? All these internet intellectual operator-types swear they're worthless pieces of junk. As Joe Kenda might say, "Well, well, well".:oops:
 
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