Firing without hearing protection?

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Obviously, I always wear hearing protection at the range. I'm curious though: in a self defense situation, how will I handle the much louder report of the firearm without hearing protection?

And as an aside, how does the military deal with this? My dad is ex-army and he's basically deaf in his right ear from training without hearing protection.
 
Unless you plan on wearing hearing protection 24/7 for the rest of your life there's really nothing you can do about it. While it's obviously not good for your hearing to be firing a gun without ear protection, that risk is far outweighed by the benefit of not dieing in a gunfight.
 
DoomGoober said:
how will I handle the much louder report of the firearm without hearing protection?

Hard to tell.


It's been frequently reported that a defender didn't hear his gun go off in such situations. Or heard it, but it sounded very muffled, and their ears weren't ringing at all afterwards. There aren't any absolutes.


I've lost hearing from my time in the Marines. And for years now my ears have rung constantly from shooting with poor, or even no hearing protection at all, during my tour. It wasn't any single event. It was just from a high volume of rounds over time.


If that time ever comes, you'll deal with it. There will be more important, immediate needs at hand than protecting your hearing.
 
Gee, I hope you don't miss that gun cocking sound coming from your left...

Nope, My bedroom is a loft with only one way up or down. Once the home invader gets past the five foot electrified fence, three big barking dogs and through a 2inch thick Cypress door I have heard enough. Besides, I also need to be able to hear right after I shoot and don't need my ears ringing while I am trying to call 911. These muffs are somewhat minimum and just take the edge off. I am not totally deff in them.
 
Better to be alive and have to buy hearing aids than to die with perfect hearing.

Sad but true. :(
 
A few shots probably will not be that bad on your hearing unless you are in a small confined space like your car when you shoot. Millions of guys went through basic training in the last century without hearing protection firing .30-06 rounds without too much trouble. Most deer hunters never use hearing protection either. Most deer rifles are a good bit louder than typical handgun rounds.
 
One law-enforcement shooting described by Massad Ayoob in his column in Combat Handguns magazine involved an officer shooting it out with a gangbanger, both armed with .45 caliber pistols. The officer relayed that he could hear his opponent's gunfire, but, strangely, he did not hear his own. The cycling of the slide on his Glock, along with its felt recoil, and seeing the spent brass flying, was his assurance that his weapon was functioning as it should. (Incidentally, both were hit; the suspect was seriously injured, but survived, more due to modern surgical technology than ballistic failure. The officer took a thigh hit, and recovered.)
My only instance in firing a centerfire handgun without hearing protection involved a wild hog and three rounds of .38 +P ammunition from my police service revolver. I do remember noticing that the first report was loud, but it did not bother me. If it didn't bother me against a hog, I doubt I'd even notice it in a battle for my life and/or the lives of my family.
 
Obviously, I always wear hearing protection at the range. I'm curious though: in a self defense situation, how will I handle the much louder report of the firearm without hearing protection?

Depends on you, however, more than likely, you'll do fine.

Firearms have been around now for what, 600 years or so? Ear plugs, on the other hand....not so much. Folks have successfully defended themselves without plugs for years and years.

And as an aside, how does the military deal with this? My dad is ex-army and he's basically deaf in his right ear from training without hearing protection.

I enlisted back in 89', and hearing protection was heavily stressed back then, and still is today. Technology has gotten to the point where there is always some form of viable hearing protection available to troops to suit the mission, in the form of electronic muffs, or specialized plugs. While there are some missions and environments that I would opt not to wear them, those conditions are much rarer these days than they have ever been in the past.
Between fixed wing aircraft, rotary wing aircraft, small arms fire and high explosive use indoors and out, I suffered no excessive hearing loss over a twenty year career due to the fact that I used hearing protection whenever possible, including 3 years spent in Afghanistan and Iraq.

For self defense, I am not concerned about hearing loss outside of the home, as the odds are slim that I will ever need to use deadly force, and if I ever do, I am willing to accept the risk of hearing loss to defend myself. At home, I keep a pair of electronic muffs by my defense gun that not only protect my hearing, but amplify sound so as to better detect possible intruders.
 
I've heard auditory exclusion batted around-don't doubt it, but does it physically protect your hearing?
I kinda doubt it, so it really does you no good AFA hearing protection.

Anywho-as one who worked over 30 years in industry, I've always taken hearing protection seriously-maybe a bit ahead of my time? A LONG time ago at work, I was once jumped on by a supervisor for wearing hearing protection-30 years later when they finally caught up with me (but went overboard), I was jumped on for not wearing hearing protection. :banghead:

Don't know that I'll ever use 'em, but it never hurts to have 'em-with my bed gun, I also keep a Streamlight Nightfighter light and a pair of Peltor Electronic Ear Muffs. I may or may not have time to use 'em, but given the time I'll slap 'em on.

If you do go this route, might want to splurge and put in a Lithium battery.
Might want to also do a walk-through of your house with them-you'll hear sounds you won't normally hear, so you need to get acclimated to the normal sounds around your home while wearing 'em.

First time I tried 'em, I wondered what the hell that noise was...
Turned out to be my refrigerator running, which was 'bout 3 rooms away.
 
I don't see how taking a few shots at a bad guy would be a whole lot different than taking a few shots at a deer during hunting season. Millions of hunters do that every fall with rifles that are a whole lot louder than your hand gun.
 
Consider a pair of electronic muffs. Some are inexpensive if cost is a factor - perhaps not range quality but would help get you through an in house SHTF situation.
An advantage to many of these electronic muffs is that you can also turn up the sensitivity and have super hearing.
 
basicblur said:
I've heard auditory exclusion batted around-don't doubt it, but does it physically protect your hearing?
I kinda doubt it, so it really does you no good AFA hearing protection.

Does auditory exclusion protect your hearing? No.


But there have been enough people who fired guns in anger, or in defense if you like that term better, who reported having no hearing problems at all.

No ringing.

No pain.

No flinching.

Some have reported that they heard minor noises, like a doorknob turning, but never heard the gunfire. Their ears just never registered the noise. And they didn't hurt or ring like when you neglect to put on hearing protection at the range.


I've experienced it. I've seen it happen in person to others.

Proveable science or not, I believe it occurs.


If you want to know what it sounds like, just don't wear hearing protection the next time you're at the range. I've shot plenty of loud stuff without wearing it. It's not comfortable. And you'll probably do a little damage to your ears if you do it enough. But you won't go deaf.


At least not right away.



:evil:
 
In reports on police shootings many officers report not hearing any sound. Some hear a simple *POP* and check their gun for a malfunction even though the firearm did fire. Apparently some part of the brain decides that you don't need to hear in that sort of high stress situation.

I, just to be prepared, have fired my personal defense handgun to be aware and expectant to how load it would be if j need to use on a moments notice.
 
have fried a 12ga 00buck round inside before with the barrel being about a foot from my left ear and pointed at a wall about a foot away. Immediately after I had ringing in my eft ear but could hear perfectly fine from my right ear, after about 30 minutes the ringing died down some so I could hear more out of the left ear, took about 24 hours for the ringing to completely stop. Can hear just as well out of it now as I could before.
 
It's been frequently reported that a defender didn't hear his gun go off in such situations. Or heard it, but it sounded very muffled, and their ears weren't ringing at all afterwards. There aren't any absolutes.

I've never had my ears ring from shots fired while hunting. And .25-06's are known for being particularly loud.

Like jscott said, auditory exclusion.

However, I do keep muffs handy in the bedroom. I'm not worried about it with the handguns that are first grab. But if I have time to get my rifle and get to cover, I'll put the muffs on, because I don't wanna find out how damaging a few 5.56mm rounds fired from a 16" barrel in a bedroom will be to my ears.
 
I keep a pair of electronic muffs next to my ready carbine. If I have time to retrieve the carbine I have time to put the muffs on. Handgun or shotgun... I'll just deal with it.
 
Auditory exclusion.

A case study by Alexis Artwohl, Ph.D.
This. You won't hear it. I doubt that one magazine will damage your hearing

Wrong - just because some adrenalin rush blocked the immediate pain of the blast does NOT mean that damage wasn't done

Those of us who have hearing damage and loss know better than to believe that crap
 
Those of us who have been in several fights (I worked as a bouncer for five years) will probably not go into shock and experience auditory exclusion if we have to defend ourselves by shooting a bad guy. The noise will be an annoying distraction that must be tolerated in order to achieve the objective. That being said, I really don't see any functional difference between in firing several rounds at a bad guy and firing several shots at a deer without hearing protection. Most hunting rifles are far louder than the typical semi-auto handgun and millions of deer hunters take a few shots at deer every fall without hearing protection.
 
Gee, I hope you don't miss that gun cocking sound coming from your left...
What? You mean like in the movies where everybody cocks their guns repeatedly to show they are serious?

I doubt that one magazine will damage your hearing
Heh, right. Touch off a .357 Magnum or a 10mm in an enclosed space and get back to me on that. You probably won't be deaf for life but there will be some damage done.
 
Wrong - just because some adrenalin rush blocked the immediate pain of the blast does NOT mean that damage wasn't done

Those of us who have hearing damage and loss know better than to believe that crap
I do have hearing loss and I can tell you it does NOT OCCUR in one instance. It takes years of abuse for the hearing loss to happen. course there's always the extreme example. don't shoot off a gun with your ear 6 inches from the muzzle. That will do damage in one instance.
 
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