First AR-15 - Under $ 1,000.00 - Any Suggestions

[Quentin]

It's beyond me why people spend $800 on a crappy black rifle when they could build one for equal price with much better parts...

Yeah, many too justify Tier Z by saying they didn't want to pay $200-300 more for a better AR. Truth is they didn't do their homework.

If they'd done more legwork, for the same money they could have dug up something other than a Zombie.

 

[Warp]

Yeah, many too justify Tier Z by saying they didn't want to pay $200-300 more for a better AR. Truth is they didn't do their homework.

If they'd done more legwork, for the same money they could have dug up something other than a Zombie.

A lot of it comes down to marketing, advertisements, and name recognition.

Why do you think so many people believe Kimber is a top of the line 1911?

Buy a whole bunch of ads in magazines and people will buy your stuff. Just ask Kimber and Bushmaster and Olympic about that.

 

[ObsceneJesster]

A lot of it comes down to marketing, advertisements, and name recognition.

Why do you think so many people believe Kimber is a top of the line 1911?

Buy a whole bunch of ads in magazines and people will buy your stuff. Just ask Kimber and Bushmaster and Olympic about that.

I'd take a Springfield any day over a Kimber.

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[Jackal]

I'd take a Springfield any day over a Kimber.

I would too, cause their ad told me too.

 

[Quentin]

There weren't any Kimbers when I bought my Colt!

 

[ObsceneJesster]

I would too, cause their ad told me too.

Did they really release a ad saying that?

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[Jackal]

Did they really release a ad saying that?

Lol, give me enough time and an internet connection, and I will find it.

Anyway, now here's a new topic for a thread, IWI Tavor vs AR15.....

 

[WinThePennant]

Hands down, the best value for the money is a Smith & Wesson Sport (around $650). Also consider the Smith & Wesson M&P 15 (around $900).

Great guns for the money, and both come with lifetime warranties. There is no better AR variant around for the money than the S&W Sport.

 

[Quentin]

Hands down, the best value for the money is a Smith & Wesson Sport (around $650). Also consider the Smith & Wesson M&P 15 (around $900).

Great guns for the money, and both come with lifetime warranties. There is no better AR variant around for the money than the S&W Sport.

Actually you can get a more flexible PSA for about the same price as the Sport. You get a better rifle with more options, such as barrel length, profile, etc.

Nothing horribly wrong with S&W but with their Sport you have to settle with what S&W gives you at the price. I love their stripped lowers but for the rest of the rifle I can do better going with other brands. If you found a S&W lower for $130 and caught PSA sales to complete the AR you can do better for around $700. I did one last year for about $650 including a stripped lower I bought locally.

 

[WinThePennant]

Actually you can get a more flexible PSA for about the same price as the Sport. You get a better rifle with more options, such as barrel length, profile, etc.

Nothing horribly wrong with S&W but with their Sport you have to settle with what S&W gives you at the price. I love their stripped lowers but for the rest of the rifle I can do better going with other brands. If you found a S&W lower for $130 and caught PSA sales to complete the AR you can do better for around $700. I did one last year for about $650 including a stripped lower I bought locally.

I perhaps wasn't clear. I consider the S&W a better option because of the lifetime warranty. I don't believe that PSA has a lifetime warranty (if so, I can't find it on their website).

I've heard that S&W will fix almost ANY of their guns, even in cases of where it is outside the bounds of a normal warranty.

And, by the way, I have two PSA rifles and love them to death. But, for a newbie looking to make a purchase, I always steer them to S&W AR 15s. Simply great guns with a great warranties.

 

[Quentin]

You have a good point about the warranty and to some folks that matters the most. I lean the other way expecting to take care of problems myself so I go after quality parts instead of the manufacturer's warranty. Odds are you won't need help if you choose wisely. And if you get a defective part it is under warranty, however you must isolate the problem yourself (which is beyond most newbs).

Which way the OP wants to go isn't certain, his POV is evolving. It seems we've successfully confused the issue!

 

[ObsceneJesster]

I agree with Quentin regarding the warranty. I'd rather have better parts and a limited warranty than a lifetime warranty with sub par parts. I'm not saying S&W uses sub par parts. I'm just using the analogy.

A lot of times, these AR manufacturers will use sub par parts and lure people in with lifetime warranties knowing that most people aren't likely to ship their rifle back for repair. They will just attempt the repairs themselves or take it to a local gunsmith.

A warranty doesn't do anything when your rifle malfunctions or fails during the time you need it the most.

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[WinThePennant]

I agree with Quentin regarding the warranty. I'd rather have better parts and a limited warranty than a lifetime warranty with sub par parts. I'm not saying S&W uses sub par parts. I'm just using the analogy.

A lot of times, these AR manufacturers will use sub par parts and lure people in with lifetime warranties knowing that most people aren't likely to ship their rifle back for repair. They will just attempt the repairs themselves or take it to a local gunsmith.

A warranty doesn't do anything when your rifle malfunctions or fails during the time you need it the most.

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S&W does not use sub-standard parts in their AR rifles.