First gun show... any advice/pointers?

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I'm going Saturday morning, so hopefully I'll have a good chance to spot some good deals.

My main priority is ammo. I want to stock up on .45, 9x19, 7.62x39 and pick up a small amount of non-corrosive 7.62.54R. I also want some stripper clips for my SKS and maybe some Mosin stuff. I know the best prices ordering online and I'm trying to save on shipping this way. Do I look around the whole place first or should I jump on the first good deal? Will ammo dealers haggle or are those prices set? Can I trust the 'non-corrosive' ammo to be, just that, and not re-packaged corrosive ammo in non-corrosive boxes???

I plan on bringing about 500$ cash with me in case an "impulse buy" arises... aside from the ammo. The wish list includes a nice K98 and I've really been stuck on getting a Kahr in .40 if I can find it cheap.

Is it worth it to even buy guns from these shows if I can get it near the price in a shop? I occasionally hear people on here talk about good buys at gun shows but the general consensus seems to be that, unless you really have a good collectors eye, you're risking it.

So... ammo and accessories, OK... guns are what... an iffy proposition?

I've actually been to a few shows before I was of age to really buy anything cool... and that was long ago, so the question bears asking.
 
Around here (CA, so it's likely different in the actual United States) gun shows are just a front operations for people selling beef jerky, nylon holsters, lots of dusty old USGI canvas crap, Nazi memorabilia and the odd $200 Mosin.

Good luck to you, friend. Handle an actual gun for me. :barf:

Any military surplus 7.62x54R is corrosive. The only stuff you should trust as non-corrosive is shiny new brass from S&B and whoever else is making it these days.
 
Definitely look around the whole place. If that first 'great deal' you saw isn't there when you come back, it wasn't meant to be.

I am not really sure where you are, OR what the gun shows are like there, but I can tell you the ones in my area are mostly beat (except for some of the Lakeland ones I hear). They don't really lower their prices that much at all that I have seen. One thing I did find was that if I went to one of the local shops that I knew were going to be at the gun show, they would usually give me the 'gun show' deal right there in the shop (or better) without having to a) fight the crowd or b) pay to get in.

I personally never buy ammo at gun shows. Just haven't seen good prices at them yet. I get better deals online even after shipping. It's a case by case basis though, YMMV.

I think that your best deals will be had on used guns especially those of the C&R variety like the K98 you mentioned. BUT, do your homework first. Go in there knowing how much you can get it for somewhere else....

Once again, YMMV, and so much depends on the gun show promoters in your area.
 
I always go through the entire show before I buy anything. That way I know what dealers have what I want and who the cheapest is. If I still think the cheapest guy is still on the high side, I'll go to the more expensive guy and say "the dealer over there is selling for X amount of money, can you beat it?" Sometimes they'll haggle, and sometimes they won't. Just know what the prices of what you want are before you go, that way you know what a deal is and what overpriced is. I try to hit all of them around me to see if I can't get ammo for about the same price as ordering online and getting it shipped. There's one guy here that sells .50AE Speer Gold Dots for $16/20 rounds and the few places I've seen it, it's more like $25/20 rounds.
 
I try to take at least $1000 cash with me. Most guns I'm interested in these days cost between $500 and $1000.

Go early for ammo in bulk. Know about the price you are willing to pay and when you see what you want, buy it. Bulk ammo sells quickly these days. Same applies to guns. Again have some pricing in mind. I keep a Blue Book in the car as a reference, but rarely use it.

I also tend to cruise the whole show prior to buying. Not always a good approach. On big shows, it is too easy to forget where you saw something and in most cases if something is a good buy, it's gone when you get back. You see a good buy. Jump on it immediately.
 
I'm bringing my bound book for C&R stuff, the K98 is what I really want but prices vary so damn much I just want a nice shooter.

Thanks for your advice on the ammo. I think I'm going to print out the best deals I can find online and take them with me for an easy comparison. I'm willing to sacrifice a couple bucks to get it in person.. right now I live in an apartment and my C&R hobby is starting to draw unwanted attention :D

It's all of the beef-jerkey and nazi references that I hear on this board that make me wonder...

It's GA. I have my CCW permit that takes the place of NICS checks... that's why I'm kinda wondering about how to act on a good deal if I see one... it's not like they know me or will remember me once i drop 5-10 bills on a pistol...

Just too confusing.:mad:
 
jump on a good deal quickly, before someone else does. if you actually want it, that is.

bring a hanky to wipe off guns after you handle them, it's good etiquette, though most people don't bother.

the first day will have more stuff, but on the last day sellers will be more willing to bargain.

almost every seller will be expecting you to haggle.
 
Don't give the beef jerky thing a second thought. You get all kinds selling stuff at shows. It's America!

Be careful with military collector stuff. Lots of fakes.

You still have to fill out the Fed form to buy a gun regardless of the NICs check. That is the way it used to be before there were checks. Does it matter that a dealer will remember you? For me, depends on the dealer. If you go to shows, you will see a lot of the same dealers and people attending a particular show.
 
Bring a borelight or small flashlight - always useful to check bores, chambers, etc. The cloth is a good idea as well - not only will it show good manners but you can see if all the cosmoline and oil are hiding some nasty surprises. Go early for the good stuff. Get business cards from the vendors you are interested in or give you a good deal. And remember the cardinal rule: if it looks too good to be true, it probably is!
 
You already have your CCW and C&R so obviously you're no stranger to firearms.

So be prepared to stifle laughter when you hear countless vendors hype up their "gun show prices" that are higher than normal retail. Vendors know that folks at gun shows are there to buy and get excited by the variety, so they're more than willing to oblige the resulting lapse in normal mental functioning.
 
Gotta remember that most dealers sell at what they believe to be reasonable prices. Most of the time, they're not going to the trouble and expense of buying space, moving inventory, setting up everything, and losing a weekend of their time just to mark something down to cost. Why would they do it??

I've helped at these shows, and it's a lot of work.

Soooo...once in a while you'll find deals. I got a $585 scope for $275 a few years ago at the Indy 1500. The deals are either loss leaders, or something the dealer got a great buy on and passes it on to you.

You probably have enough knowledge not to get sucked in by "deals" that are not deals. If you know it's a screaming deal, I'd grab it.

And, as much as the guys here make fun of the beef jerky, it sure sells well. If you don't find any guns or ammo, you'll at least have a treat:D
 
At every show that I attend I carry along a field bag for the small items I either purchase or pick up as handouts (other gun show schedules, SAF fliers and whatever), leaves your hands free to do other things. I head for the Saturday-only area (assuming your show has one), to give those items a quick once-over before proceeding on to the tables for the entire weekend.
Ammunition purchases can be heavy to lug around, maybe the vendor will hold your purchase until you are ready to take it to your car, or even provide a hand truck for the trip. Go early for the selection, go late for the bargains.
 
Have fun,......

shop carefully, and don't expect too much.

And by the way, you can still buy a Nazi marked 98K from Empire Arms on the web for around 300.00 to 400.00. Authentic rifles from a quality dealer. He does not sell junk. I should know. I bought one from him 2 years ago,
 
If this is your first show, you need to read this:

COMPREHENSIVE GUIDE TO GUN SHOWS:
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Gun shows are run by and for dreamers. Every dealer who sets up a table seems to think that the people who attend are half-wits who will happily pay 25% more than manufacturer's suggested retail price for their goods; and all the attendees hold it as an article of faith that the exhibitors are desperate men who have come in the hopes of finally disposing of their stock at 30% less than wholesale cost. In this environment it helps to have some idea what to expect; so for the benefit of those who are so unfortunate as never to have experienced this distinctively American form of mass entertainment, I offer this guide.

GLOSSARY
The following terms apply to items offered for sale:

MINT CONDITION: In original condition as manufactured, unfired, and preferably in the original box with all manufacturer's tags, labels, and paperwork.

NEAR-MINT CONDITION: Has had no more than 5,000 rounds fired through it and it still retains at least 60% of the original finish. Surface pitting is no more than 1/8" deep, and both grip panels are in place. If it is a .22, some of the rifling is still visible.

VERY GOOD: Non-functional when you buy it, but you can probably get it to work if you replace 100% of the parts.

FAIR: Rusted into a solid mass with a shape vaguely reminscent of a firearm.

TIGHT: In revolvers, the cylinder swings out, but you need two hands to close it again. For autoloaders, you must bang the front of the slide on a table to push it back.

REALLY TIGHT: In revolvers you cannot open the cylinder without a lever. Once it's open the extractor rod gets stuck halfway through its travel. On autoloaders, you need a hammer to close the slide.

A LITTLE LOOSE: In revolvers, the cylinder falls out and the chambers are 1/4" out of line when locked up. There is no more than 1/2" of end play. For autoloaders, the barrel falls out when the slide is retracted. If the barrel stays in place, the slide falls off.

GOOD BORE: You can tell it was once rifled and even approximately how many grooves there were.

FAIR BORE: Would be similar to GOOD BORE, if you could see light through it.

NEEDS A LITTLE WORK: May function sometimes if you have a gunsmith replace minor parts, such as the bolt, cylinder, or barrel.

ARSENAL RECONDITIONED: I cleaned it up with a wire wheel and some stuff I bought at K-Mart.

ANTIQUE: I found it in a barn, and I think it dates from before 1960. Note that ANTIQUE guns are usually found in FAIR condition.

RARE VARIANT: No more than 500,000 of this model were ever made, not counting the ones produced before serial numbers were required. RARE VARIANTS command a premium price of 150% of BOOK VALUE.

BOOK VALUE: An irrational number which dealers consider insultingly low and buyers ridiculously high. Since no one pays any attention to it, it doesn't matter.

IT BELONGED TO MY GRANDFATHER: I bought it at a flea market two weeks ago.

CIVIL WAR RELIC: The vendor's great-grandfather knew a man whose friend had been in the Civil War.

SHOOTS REAL GOOD: For rifles, this means at 100 yards it will put every shot into a 14" circle if there isn't any wind and you're using a machine rest. For handguns, three out of six rounds will impact a silhouette target at seven yards. In shotguns, it means that the full choke tube throws 60% patterns with holes no bigger than 8" in them.

ON CONSIGNMENT: The vendor at the show does not own the gun. It belongs to a friend, customer, or business associate, and he has been instructed to sell it, for which he will be paid a commission. He has no authority to discuss price. The price marked is 150% above BOOK VALUE. All used guns offered for sale at gun shows, without exception, are ON CONSIGNMENT, and the dealer is required by his Code of Ethics to tell you this as soon as you ask the price. A BATF study has proven that since 1934 there has never been a single authenticated case of a used gun being offered for sale at a gun show that was actually owned by the dealer showing it.

I'LL LET IT GO FOR WHAT I HAVE IN IT: I'll settle for what I paid for it plus a 250% profit.

MAKE ME AN OFFER: How dumb are you?

TELL ME HOW MUCH IT'S WORTH TO YOU: I'll bet you're even dumber than you look.

PEOPLE YOU WILL MEET AT THE GUN SHOW:

RAMBO: He's looking for an Ingram MAC-10, and wants to have it custom chambered in .44 Magnum as a back-up gun. For primary carry he wants a Desert Eagle, provided he can get it custom chambered in .50 BMG. He derides the .50 Action Express as a wimp round designed for ladies' pocket pistols. He has already bought three years' worth of freeze- dried MRE's from MARK, as well as seven knives. He is dressed in camoflage BDU's and a black T-shirt with the 101st AirBorne Division insignia, though he has never been in the Army. He works as a bag boy at Kroger's.

BUBBA: He needs some money, and has reluctantly decided to sell his Daddy's .30-30, a Marlin 336 made in 1961. He indignantly refuses all cash offers below his asking price of $475. Unable to sell it, eventually he trades it plus another $175 for a new-in-box H&R Topper in .219 Zipper. He feels pretty good about the deal.

GORDON: He is walking the aisles with a Remington Model 700 ADL in .30-06 on his shoulder. He's put an Uncle Mike's cordura sling and a Tasco 3x9 variable scope on it. A small stick protrudes from the barrel, bearing the words, "LIKE NEW ONLY THREE BOXES SHELLS FIRED $800." This is his third trip to a show with this particular rifle, which he has never actually used, since he lives in a shotgun-only area for deer.

DAWN: She is here with her boyfriend, DARRYL. At the last show, DARRYL bought her a Taurus Model 66 in .357 Magnum. She fired it twice and is afraid of it, but she keeps it in a box on the top shelf of her clothes closet in case someone breaks in. She is dressed in a pair of blue jeans that came out of a spray can, a "Soldier of Fortune" T-shirt two sizes too small, and 4" high heels. DARRYL is ignoring her, but nobody else is.

DARRYL: He has been engaged to DAWN for three years. He likes shotguns for defense, and he's frustrated that he can't get a Street Sweeper, so he's bought a Mossberg 500 with the 18-1/2" barrel, a perforated handguard, and a pistol grip. He plans to use it for squirrel hunting when he isn't sleeping with it. He plans to marry DAWN as soon as he gets a job which pays him enough to take over the payments on her mobile home.

ARNOLD: He is a car salesman in Charlottesville, Virginia. He has a passion for Civil War guns, especially cap-and-ball revolvers. He has a reproduction Remington 1858, and is looking for a real one he can afford. He owns two other guns: a S&W Model 60 and a Sauer & Sohn drilling his father brought home from the war in 1945. He has no idea what caliber the rifle barrel on his drilling is, and he last fired the Model 60 five years ago.

DICK: He is a gun dealer who makes his overhead selling Jennings J- 25's, Lorcin .380's, and H&R top-break revolvers. He buys the J-25's in lots of 1000 direct from the factory at $28.75 each, and sells them for $68.00 to gun show customers. He buys the H&R's for $10 at estate auctions and asks $85 for them, letting you talk him down to $78 when he is feeling generous. His records are meticulously kept, and he insists on proper ID and a signature on the 4473. He doesn't care whether the ID and the signature are yours, however. Other than his stock, he owns no guns and he has no interest in them.

ARLENE: She is DICK's wife. She hates guns and gun shows more than anything in the world. Her husband insists that she accompany him to keep an eye on the table when he's dickering or has to go to the men's room. She refuses to come unless she can bring her SONY portable TV, even though she gets lousy reception in the Civic Center and there isn't any cable. When DICK is away from the table, she has no authority to negotiate, and demands full asking price for everything. She doesn't know the difference between a rifle and a shotgun, and she doesn't care, either.

MARK: He doesn't have an FFL. He buys a table at the show to sell nylon holsters, magazines, T-shirts, bumber stickers, fake Nazi regalia, surplus web gear, MRE's and accessories. He makes more money than anyone else in the hall.

ALAN: He's not a dealer, but he had a bunch of odds and ends to dispose of, so he bought a table. On it he displays used loading dies in 7,65 Belgian and .25-20, both in boxes from the original Herter's company. He also has a half-box of .38-55 cartrdiges, a Western-style gun belt he hasn't been able to wear since 1978, a used cleaning kit, and a nickel-plated Iver Johnson Premier revolver in .32 S&W. He's asking $125 for the gun and $40 for each of the die sets. He paid $35 for the table and figures he needs to get at least that much to cover his expenses and the value of his time.

GERALD: He's a physician specializing in diseases of the rich. He collects Brownings, and specializes in High-Power pistols, Superposed shotguns, and Model 1900's. He has 98% of the known variations of each of these, and now plans to branch out into the 1906 and 1910 pocket pistols. He owns no handguns made after the Germans left Liege in 1944. He regards Japanese-made "Brownings" as a personal insult and is a little contempuous of Inglis-made High-Powers. He does not hunt or shoot. He buys all his gun accessories from Orvis and Dunn's.

KEVIN: He is 13, and this is his first gun show. His eyes are bugged out with amazement, and he wonders what his J.C. Higgins single-shot 20-gauge is worth. His father gives him an advance on his allowance do he can buy a used Remington Nylon 66. He's hooked for life and will end up on the NRA's Board of Directors
 
Since you're a noobie, you'd are well-advised to leave your cash and cash equivalents at home (not in the car, at home). It takes considerable shopping experience to determine market pricing for <insert gun product of choice>. Gunshows are great places to shop. Lots of vendors and products in a small area. Gunshows do a great job of showing you what products are available. Gunshows are not a good place to go expecting to find deals and bargains.

If you've determined the market level pricing for ammo for example then you are prepared to jump all over a good deal at the show (BTW, make sure you have a good strong canvas carry bag). If you haven't determined market pricing you may well pay too much. Gun purchases at a gunshow are extremely hazardous unless you freakin' know what the hell you are doing. Those "aw shucks" goobers in the over-hauls are sharp business men. They know guns and they know people. Unless you've researched products, prices, conditions, availability you are setting yourself up for an expensive lesson.

Go to the archives here at THR and search up gunshow horror stories.
 
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1. I always take a bore light.

2. Keep an eye on what people are hauling to the shows to sell. They will be offered wholesale for it and you should be able to step in and offer a small amount over that.Some sweet deals can be made by watching the entrance to the shows.

3. Always take cash... after all its king.

4. If you are buying ammo take a little wagon with you.
 
No need to take your bound book with you...just take a few copies of your 03 FFL and you can enter the stuff in it when you get home (if you get any) - I'd be too paranoid to keep track of my book with all my serial numbers in it at a gunshow.

As others have said, check out the whole show as quickly as you can in regards to prices - locate the big ammo sellers and hit those first since you said that was your main priority.

You also mentioned you were looking for 7.62x54R - odds are pretty high that you can do much better ordering online. Corrosive milsurp will be MUCH cheaper than non-corrosive and it's a breeze to clean the corrosive up when you're done...just something to think about. AimSurplus and Century have 7.62x54R in stock - and I'll bet you dollars to donuts you'll be able to buy ammo cheaper from them than what you find at the show.

Also remember that you won't be able to carry in the show.
 
the ONLY good thing about gun shows..

is the beef jerky.

at least it's half way affordable.
Everything else is a joke,and if you just want to kill 4 hours handling other poeples guns,it MAY be worth the price of parking and admission.
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NO,on second thought,it's NOT worth the price of parkiing and admission.

Sisco has ALL gun shows I've ever been to NAILED.
 
2. Keep an eye on what people are hauling to the shows to sell. They will be offered wholesale for it and you should be able to step in and offer a small amount over that.Some sweet deals can be made by watching the entrance to the shows.

That's gold...!
 
Don't jump on the first thing you see. If something seems too good to be true... it probably is.

Take a Palm Pilot, or at least a pocket notebook to take notes, especially locations. Finding the best deal in years on something does you no good if you can't find it after you've confirmed that it IS a deal.

Back when the OGCA show was in Cleveland, people used to take walkie talkies to coordinate searches. Cell phones will do as well.

Make a list. If you're not sure about reasonable prices, ask around and put them on your list.

Bring something to carry heavy items like bullets. At the PGCA show, I bought an Austrian Army rucksack to carry the bullets I bought.
 
2. Keep an eye on what people are hauling to the shows to sell. They will be offered wholesale for it and you should be able to step in and offer a small amount over that.Some sweet deals can be made by watching the entrance to the shows.
Haunt the entrance. A friend got a great deal on a cherry Iraqi No1MkIII Enfield. The guy hadn't even actually entered the show yet.
 
03 at a gunshow? fergeddaboudit!

These guys at the show sell retail. PERIOD.

You wanna use your FFL-03 send it to Century, AIM, SOG, centerfire Systems etc.

THEY will sell to you for what HE at the show bought it for.

I got an M-48 Mauser assembled with parts made under German Occupation and even tho no waffenampts are there, I got the K-98K I wanted and it cost me $80

Expect 7.62 x 39 ammo to be 100$ overpriced from past GOOD days- $150 per M instead of $80.00

PLAN on your best deals at 2:00 - 3:0 sunday

YODAR

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Unless your into beef jerky and overpriced guns why bother? Most of the gun shows in my area have turned into garbage. Mainly overpriced items and the dealers hardly ever want to deal anymore I would pass buy your ammo on line cheaper.....;)
 
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