First hunting rifle

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Hi, my name is Keith. Curious on what you guys think is a good first rifle for hunting nothing bigger then a small elk or black bear probably inside 400 yards. I've been looking at a 270, 30-06, 308 and i'm open to any suggestions. Something that I can buy ammo for that are readily available. Thanks. (Thanks chad for letting me use your account)
 
All three of those will fit your needs. Pick one out of a hat, and you're a winner. I'd go with the 30-06. When you but a first rifle, you first have to decide what sort of money you want to spend. Give us a number to work with.
 
I have owend and used all the calibers you listed, I doubt you could go wrong with any of them unless you are recoil shy, all of those give a health kick. Just so you understand the differnces between them let me explain.
30-06, the jack of all trades, can effectivley use the widest range of bullet weights making it a highly versitle platform. Bullets up to 240gr can be stabalized in it's standard 1:10 twist giving it supprising performance on VERY large game if needed.
308, can nearly match the performance of the 06 with common bullet weights (125-165gr) while burning less powder, kicking less, and in a compact short action.
270, easly the fastest and flatest shooting of the bunch, this is great if you hunt wide open terain, but if you are hunting in dense forest of thick underbrush you would not notice the difference, and would probably be better served with one of the .30 cals. The 270 and all high speed cartrages beg for a 24" (or longer) barrel which for some odd reason most manufactures deny it. Don't ask me I never could figure out why.
Seeing as this is your first hunting rifle I have to ask, have you shot alot of high powerd rifles before? Long ago I made the mistake of buying a 7mm rem mag as my first rifle, and found out very quickly that I could not shoot it very accuratly because it would bite me so hard that I was scared of it, I am alot less recoil shy now, but still perfer hunting with my sissy kicking 6.5x55 because it kills deer just as dead and just as fast with a 1/3 the recoil and half the noise.
 
The purchase i just made was the tikka t3 with a nikon buckmaster scope all out the door for under a grand easy. That rifle is available in all the calibers you mentioned and has a sub moa garuntee. I would recomend the 30-06 for your first rifle because of the reasons mentioned above. It is the most versitile
 
30.06 220gr SP's.

:what: He said small Elk and possibly black bear Not Moose and Brown Bear!

As Kachok stated, any of them would do the job. It would be a bit better if we knew what kind of terrain you would be hunting in such as wide open fields or heavy woods for the type of firearm that would be best suited for the task. It's not just about the caliber or cartridge but it's also about do you need a good all around rifle that would be fine in the fields or in the woods or do you need a more specific task suited rifle. Glass is also a factor in this as well. If it's an all around, a good 3-9 variable powered scope would be fairly ideal but if you will be in heavy woods more than not then a fixed power 3x or maybe 4x would be better suited.
 
For a grand you can get alot of gun. The Savage 110s are a hella fine weapon on the cheap and will keep you well under budget, I have owned six and they have all been great. The Tikka T3 is another fantastic rifle, I have a Stainless version and it is my go to gun without a doubt, featherweight, egronomic and scarry accurate. If I had a grand to spend today and wanted something other then those I would probably get a new Winchester 70 or CZ550 just because I am a sucker for a Mauser action, and top it off with Nikon glass.
Of the calibers you listed I like the versitility of the 06 the best, it just does everything well with the proper bullet weight. If I need uber flat shooting and short action I will get another WSM.
 
Of the rounds mentioned, I would go with 30-06 because it does its job well and no self respecting gun shop would fail to carry it. I'm sad you were willing to drop $1000 towards the gun. Otherwise, I could have steered you towards the $100 Mosin:evil:. In all seriousness, any of the rounds you mentioned will be fine.
 
Oh no the Mosin cult strikes again :barf: LOL I don't get the appeal of the mosin, they are clunky, heavy, bulky and not remotly accurate even by WWII standards. Sure you can fire 40 year old cheap corrosive ammo through them, but truth be told I would not shoot that junk through my rifles if it were free. Before the cult jumpes my case...yes I have shot Mosins before, I found them to be a piss poor and would much rather spend the extra $160 on a quality NIB Savage ANYDAY. If I wanted to hunt with a mil-surp rifle I would take a German or Sweed Mauser. Heck I would take a South American or Turkish mauser over the Mosin.
 
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chad, I've been shooting big game for over 45 years and have owned all of the rifles you've listed. The are all good but the 30-06 will give you the most for your money. In fact, a 30-06 is all I hunt with any more. With a 150 grain bullet it's a great deer cartridge. With a 165 grain bullet it make a great long range shooter or for larger game. BW
 
A cheap, minimal rifle for taking medium and large game with a power and accuracy requirement for 400 meters with ammo available easily and cheaply.

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Rifle: Mosin-Nagant 91/30
CaliberL 7.62x54R
Price: $110
 
The X-bolt is one slick rifle, I personaly have issue with the bolt lock button, yeah that is a minor little nothing, but it drives me nuts, I was really close to buying one the other day but I could not cycle the bolt like I could on my Tikka, I am sure I could get used to it, but it was enough of a turn off to make me buy anoter Savage instead. Glad I did, my Savage shoots ragged holes at 100, just wish it looked as good as the Browning :D
 
Go down to the local walmart. Buy a $400 remington 700 and a $200 nikon scope. And your in business under a grand. They even have quality glass for less than $200. I prefer .270 but as previous poster stated 30.06 is the most versatile.
 
Go down to the local walmart. Buy a $400 remington 700 and a $200 nikon scope. And your in business under a grand. They even have quality glass for less than $200. I prefer .270 but as previous poster stated 30.06 is the most versatile.
HELL NO, avoid the Remingtons like the plague until they can fix their QC issues, I have owned three new Remingtons and they were all JUNK!!!! I warned a friend of mine to avoid them, as usual he ignored me and a couple weeks later he was cussing reminton out because even after a fartory rebuild it would not work right. He ended up selling it to a new sucker at a gun show and bought a Savage that he is thrilled with. The ONLY remington I keep in my safe is an old 552 Speedmaster they built back when they gave a $#(! about their quality. I would not trade my Tikka for the whole darn Remoington factory today.
I have owned many rifles over the years, and Remingtons were by far the worst of any of them, I would take a rusty H&R or Rossi over a shiny new CDL, they were really that bad.
 
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6.5 swede FTW!
Hell yeah! The M70 featherweight in 6.5x55 is a much loved rifle, shame they are so darn hard to find right now. Every single person I know who has hunted with a 6.5x55 lists it as their favorite hunting rifle, virtualy no kick, superb accuracy, and remarkable terminal performance. Never needed to track anything shot with mine, liquified lungs and golfball sized exit wound are testament to their killing power.
 
Cz has a 6.5 offering in their 550 line and is relatively easy to find and is less than the winchester.
 
kachok, i really enjoy most of your posts--very informative--and i share your preference for cartridges in 6=7 mm range. but, based on my own experience, you might be wrong in a general condemnation of the 700 remmy line.

i recently purchased a cbl, new, in 7mm/08. i gave the barrel a quick cleaning, and fired about a dozen random rounds from a couple different factory loads. from fifty yards. i then chose to shoot a "serious" group with federal fusions. all three within a shared cloverleaf. and i can promise you that i am no great shootist.

and get this: the trigger is untouched from the factory, and definitely creepy. i guess i am just lucky, but that is the best factory rifled action i have ever seen.

pretty wood, too. :)
 
kachok, i really enjoy most of your posts--very informative--and i share your preference for cartridges in 6=7 mm range. but, based on my own experience, you might be wrong in a general condemnation of the 700 remmy line.

i recently purchased a cbl, new, in 7mm/08. i gave the barrel a quick cleaning, and fired about a dozen random rounds from a couple different factory loads. from fifty yards. i then chose to shoot a "serious" group with federal fusions. all three within a shared cloverleaf. and i can promise you that i am no great shootist.

and get this: the trigger is untouched from the factory, and definitely creepy. i guess i am just lucky, but that is the best factory rifled action i have ever seen.

pretty wood, too. :)
Don't get me wrong, my CDL was the best looking rifle I have ever owned, shame it would not chamber a round and remington refused to fix it. I like the look of the remington rifles, but I hate how every single one of them I have tried for the past decade (mine and others) have been defective. If you got a good one consider yourself lucky, I have had horrable luck with them and refuse to touch another one until they fire their whole QC staff. Now to be fair, one of my 700s was a real shooter, but I could not stop the rusting despite my best efforts, not even a weekly cleaning and fresh oil would slow it down. Mabey that is just the result of our salt air here, but I never had that issue with my Savages, Marlins, Winchesters or any other brand.
My Savages cost half as much as a CDL and all of them have performed perfectly and shot under an inch at 100yd, I cannot honnestly recommend remington to anyone after my experence with them, especaly with such great rifles out there as the 110, T3, and XS(L)-7 for half the money. The only Remington that is in that price range is the 770 which even according to many Remington fans is the worst rifle they have ever built.
 
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There is a guy near me selling a tikka t3 in .300wm like new for $500.....pretty tempting
 
There is a guy near me selling a tikka t3 in .300wm like new for $500.....pretty tempting
Tikka makes a hella good rifle, but unless you hunt elk or larger the 300 WSM is an overkill, not to mention a harsh kicker in a featherweight Tikka. I would pass on that one unless you are VERY recoil hardend or want to add an aftermarket recoil pad/tubes. Factory tikka pads are kind of hard, not an issue on my 6.5x55 but with 300 mag recoil I would want something with a bit more give to it like a limbsaver.
 
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