First Jam...NOT MY AR"S FAULT!!!

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Soo...Was at the range today and had one of these...
 

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Wow...it worked!!! anyways....been in this debate latley about AR/AK and this had nothing to do with my AR. 1000 rounds through my AR ATleast and not one issue. Then out of the blue this cracked shell pops up and ruins my day! I seriously believe that there is no better reliability than my AR (AK included), but that was some crap for ammo!.
 
Then out of the blue this cracked shell pops up and ruins my day! I seriously believe that there is no better reliability than my AR (AK included), but that was some crap for ammo!.
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Even though the AR platfrom is amazing, it's reliability will run short of an AKs. The AR 15 is designed to be a precision rifle and with that comes a little less reliability. The AK is designed to be reliable but with that comes a lot less accuracy. The AR is not an unreliable rifle, but an AK is built to last a long time.
 
I dunno esmith. You think an AK could shoot a 'cracked in half' round like the pic I posted? That's the actual round my AR locked on...I dont consider that my AR's fault...but that of the ammo manufacturer.

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I don't know AR2A, never had that happened with any steel-cased ammo (which is all my AR gets). Maybe you should try some. :)
 
I dunno esmith. You think an AK could shoot a 'cracked in half' round like the pic I posted? That's the actual round my AR locked on...I dont consider that my AR's fault...but that of the ammo manufacturer.
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That was ammo issues for sure. But if i were to take your AR and a decent AK and shoot 10,000 rounds through them, on a wide margin average, the AK would win. And by win i mean function longer than the AR.
 
Wow, that is a weird case failure.Never seen that before. The 2 halves seem to have separated amazingly cleanly.Crazy.
 
i've had it happen about a dozen times. if you search the reloader forums, you'll find plenty more examples posted.
 
I've seen plenty of AKs that jam and don't run well. While M16s ran fine all day long. My M4A1 had ~10,000 rounds through it with one stoppage due to a bad mag. Swapped mags and it worked fine....
 
I've had one like that in a rem 700 in .223 Its just a case failure, I'm guessing its a reload? It could be a head space issue too. A friend had a similar one with his AR using Ultramax reloads, mine was lake city brass shot an unknown number of times(3-5).


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You think an AK could shoot a 'cracked in half' round like the pic I posted?
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Certainly. But so could any other rifle ever made.
It isn't all that unusual, or unsafe.

It wasn't cracked in half until after you shot it and the case stretched & separated.

Very likely reloaded ammo from Black Hills, or some other commercial loader I betcha.

The case had stretched to the breaking point already in a machine-gun or something, and was just waiting to crack when you fired it again.

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See.....there's your problem, right there!
 
I had two types of ammo that I was using. One was Sellier and Bellot, the other was a reload from HFM or FHM (not sure) but it came in a bright yellow box. I'm pretty sure it was the reload that cracked. No more reloads for me anymore.
 
Ya, I suppose my AR is only built to last a few thousand rounds.
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You can suppose all you want. I still never said that, if you want to believe i said that by all means go ahead, but you would be fooling yourself.

If an the AK and the AR were in working conditions each should be able to shoot 10,000 and more.
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Again, i never said an AR couldn't handle 10,000 rounds. Don't take what i had said out of context. I meant that an AR would most likely have more complications than the said AK. This is assuming both rifles are decent of their kind.
 
That extractor is definitely on my 'next to get list'. I saw them before but figured I'd never need one...guess I was wrong.
 
esmith, you always say, "oh... I never actually said those words."

Alright, well then your point that an AK is built to last is stupid because so is an AR. It's like saying "an AR is made of metal" when comparing them, they both are but for some reason you point it out on the one.

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If an the AK and the AR were in working conditions each should be able to shoot 10,000 and more.

Again, i never said an AR couldn't handle 10,000 rounds. Don't take what i had said out of context.
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When did I say that you claimed an AR couldn't handle it? Again, again, and again, again don't take my words out of context.

I was pointing out that 10,000 rounds isn't that hard of a test to pass with satisfaction.
 
Out of the literal thousands of 5.56 that I've fired, I've only had that happen once. It occured during a live-fire exercise while I was basically "spend-ex"ing the last 200 box of ammo for my saw. The weapon jammed, had to put all my wieght into the charging handle, and out popped the two pieces of shell. It kept rocking on after that though. I say your "not made by the lowest bidder" weapon is more than fine.
 
esmith, you always say, "oh... I never actually said those words."

Alright, well then your point that an AK is built to last is stupid because so is an AR. It's like saying "an AR is made of metal" when comparing them, they both are but for some reason you point it out on the one.
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I say that because you are constantly taking those words out of context and making assumptions that i am thrashing the AR platform. Which i am not. ARs are not unreliable, but they have been known to give more issues functioning than AKs.

Alright, well then your point that an AK is built to last is stupid because so is an AR. It's like saying "an AR is made of metal" when comparing them, they both are but for some reason you point it out on the one.
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So what is your argument? Are you saying the AR is as reliable as most AKs? Or are you saying that i am saying that the AR isn't reliable? Or are you saying both are equally reliable? You are getting fired up about nothing.
 
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