First pistol...a CZ-75?

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In a few months I will be purchasing my first gun, and I have an idea about what might be best for me.

Ideally, I would get two--one in a serious caliber and another in .22 LR. However, due to budget reasons, I think that I would be limited to only one for the time being. Due to this, I am leaning towards a CZ-75 in 9mm and an accompanying Kadet kit.

It would be great for cheap practice and CCW (when I'm well-practiced, of course).

Does this seem wise, or should I invest in a used S&W M10 and a cheap .22 autoloader for practice?
 
The 75B & the Kadet kit is a *great* choice. Makes a very accurate .22 practice gun, and an accurate & reliable 9mm. For me, the gun points and shoos like a dream. I've had countless rounds go through it, and as a 9mm I've had zero problems. Not none worth mentioning. None at all.

The Kadet kit, while very accurate (and fun to shoot) is a bit more finicky. Seems to be a lot more touchy than my Buckmark in terms of what it will feed reliably. Not enough issues to keep me from loving it though. Keeping it clean helps a lot.

As inexpensive as it is to shoot 9mm, you could start with just the 75B and still afford to shoot as you save to get the Kadet if you need to.

BTW - Welcome to THR
 
The CZ 75 is a great choice for a first gun. It's accurate, reliable and easy to care for. Not to mention, it's a bargain for the price! If you're thinking about concealed carry down the road, you might want to consider the P01 model. It's a little more compact and easier to conceal/carry. Personally, I found it didn't fit my hand as well as the full-size CZ, so I went with the CZ-75BD. That's the decocker version of the 75. The standard CZ 75B doesn't have a decocker -- only a manual safety. You have to thumb the hammer down after you load it...or carry it with the safety on "cocked and locked:.

If you want the inside scoop on CZ's, check out http://www.czshooters.com/modules.php?name=Forums

Good luck!

Jim
 
I was torn between the CZ75BD with Kadet Kit and the BHP for about the same $. Went with the CZ. Lots of 9mm and .22 shooting for the price of one 9mm. Eventually I bought the BHP and many other guns. I still use the CZ with Kadet at the range almost every outing. Shooting a couple magazines of .22 interspersed with the 9mm, .40 or .45 will keep me shooting better. Amazing how looking down range thinking .22 smooths out the recoil of the other calibers.

The CZ 9mm is still one of my most accurate guns. Dead solid reliablity. The trigger was a bit gritty to start with. That's where $100 worth of .22 comes in. I went with the BD because I was thinking of carrying it. For a range gun might consider the B model or the SA. I have the P-01 as well. The Kadet fits it just fine. It's more compact, has an alloy frame so is lighter. Better for carry, maybe not quite as good for the range.
 
I have the CZ-75 and the Kadet kit, and usually just keep the kadet kit on it, because I love shooting it so much. Its not at all finicky with ammo and is accurate as well.
 
One other consideration I have is that larger framed handguns probably wouldn't fit my hands as well as a smaller one. Also, the DA pull on a 75B is supposedly not optimal for shorter fingers.

The P-01 could be a better choice, but how does it compare to the 75 models in price? Can it take the Kadet kit, too? How easy is it to find standard capacity magazines?

I think that I also want the decocker, as cocked-and-locked carry probably would make me a tad uncomfotable.
 
I did the same that thing you are considering, bought a CZ-75B and Kadet kit. The kit was easy to fit and was a great way to familiarize myself with the gun and shooting in general. The pricing can't be beat for CZ firearms. I really don't see myself ever selling that gun. I've since added a Delta Elite and a Kahr PM9. I would do it the same way again.
 
Don't be afraid of cocked and locked

cz's are very safe guns in all variations. I loooooove em BUT. Your first gun should be a .22. The Kadet would be a great choice but if you can only buy one gun and no .22 kadet kit then just buy a browning or ruger.

Hone those skills on a .22 before you move up. It's like golf or anything else. It is very hard to unlearn bad habits. If you develop a flinch it could haunt you for a very very long time long time.

Not that a cz75 is likely to have enough recoil to make you flinch but I don't know you.

I recommend that you put at least a few thousand rounds down range in .22 before you move up in caliber. The more the better. There is always challenge to be found in the lowely .22 no matter what level of shooter you are.
 
I would recommend a pistol having a decocker (75BD) over a pistol carried "cocked and locked" or one that needs to have the hammer lowered manually to be carried in the double-action mode (75B) for people unfamiliar with pistols. This isn't to say that the 75B is unsafe; just that the 75BD is more "forgiving".
 
I have nothing against decockers but I just don't get it

99+% guns in this world do not have decockers. If you can't safely lower a hammer maybe you should use a baseball bat or a knife for protection.

Oh wait, I forget.... knifes and ballbats don't have little levers on them that suddenly make them safe!
 
gosh you sure know how to hurt a guy

I'm sorry if it seemed a bit over the top but this is one of my pet peeves.

If you reread your post you will see that you are making a recommendation for how a person should carry if they are "unfamiliar with pistols."

My peeve is that if a person is so unfamiliar with pistols that they don't know how to safely drop a hammer, What are they doing carrying in the first place.

Are you actually advocating that people "unfamiliar with pistols" should carry? And that if they do, the mere presence of a decocker will some how make it all better?

I look at it entirely differently. I think a person needs a safety until they really know how to use and safely carry a gun. After they have some expertise, then let them use whatever safety, decocker, nothing, all.

If you really want to get into it I think the best thing for a novice is a gun that has a safety and a decocker. Best of both worlds. That way they can learn all the functions and methods of carry with just one gun.
 
I know how to decock a gun, but the decocker on my CZ 75 BD removes the the chance for human error. Some people would rather carry cocked and locked, some people are uncomfortable with either a cocked pistol or a safty lever and would rather the DA trigger pull be the safty and so the decocker is a good alternative. For me personally I dont want a gun with a safty lever, I want a gun that fires every single time I pull the trigger. I understand and agree that everyone should know how to lower the hammer without fear of a ND, but I also like decockers.

I think they are recommending a first gun for someone who intends to carry, something that will suit his needs both now as a learner and later as a carrier. As I understand it he wishes to learn to shoot and for that he needs a gun.
 
People learn most things in increments; they don't become fully proficient overnight. Referencing the learning process, dropping the hammer via a decocker is inherently less difficult (safer) in terms of motor skills than gingerly easing it down manually, which is why I described a decocker as being more forgiving and not more safe.

If one accepts your (BevrFevr's) argument, adding a safety wouldn't help the situation if someone is too incompetent to use a decocker in the first place.
 
My first handgun was a CZ 75 DAO in .40. I bought it after only shooting glocks. It was a whole new world. When I carry a full size gun this is the one I carry. It is a little heavier than what alot of people consider for CCW but with a good belt and holster you won't even notice it. I didn't get a .22 handgun until very recentlly. I wish I had though, running 200-500 rounds of centerfire down range a week can get spendy.
 
I wholly regretted of not buying a CZ for my first gun (that i've owned anyway...). Honestly i didn't find that inner peace until i bought one. :D

I would defenitely urge you to make it your first purchase or you will just be buying other stuff to compensate until you get one. It's the CZ bug :)
 
Well, the CZ has a half-cock notch, which makes it a whole lot safer. True that it's quite big for concealed carry, I now carry it IWB, but it has a secondary application as a club.
 
The PCR and P-01 will accomodate the Kadet Kit and are lighter and more compact, while still giving you 14 +1 capacity. Its a nice balance between size, weight and firepower. It may also have a little bit shorter DA trigger reach, but I'm not sure about that.
 
For a first handgun.

Definitely get a 75B in 9mm (or an SP01 or a 75 SA). They are pleasant to shoot (recoil is mild). This is very important. Beginners need to learn how to shoot without developing bad habits. Definitely get the 22 Kadet kit. It is accurate, and the ammunition is cheap.

The only down side to the CZs are the triggers. They are generally rough from the factory but do smooth out from shooting. This is where the 22 kit comes in handy. Put a few thousand rounds of 22 through it, and the trigger will be decent. You'll probably find that you'll shoot the 22 more than the 9.
 
I know how to decock a gun, but the decocker on my CZ 75 BD removes the the chance for human error. Some people would rather carry cocked and locked, some people are uncomfortable with either a cocked pistol or a safty lever and would rather the DA trigger pull be the safty and so the decocker is a good alternative. For me personally I dont want a gun with a safty lever, I want a gun that fires every single time I pull the trigger. I understand and agree that everyone should know how to lower the hammer without fear of a ND, but I also like decockers.

Most of the things you'll do at a gun range will be done with less attention to safety than if you manually decock a gun.

When you manualy decock, chances are you will be entirely focused, will be using two hands, and the gun will be pointed down range or at the ground.

Question for those who like decockers and are uncomfortable decocking manually: have you ever witnessed an accidental discharge during the process of decocking?

Bet you haven't.

I've shot in a good number of matches over the years, and have shot a lot at an indoor range. I watch folks with guns. I've seen a lot of stupid things done with guns. Lots of shots fired over the berm or into the ceiling at an indoor range. Quite a few negligent discharges. Many during the draw, a few while unloading. None while decocking.

Folks have been shooting revolvers since before the Civil War -- roughly 150 years. During that time, the bulk of the guns were single action. Again, darned few problems decocking a gun.

I think most peoples' fears of decocking guns is similar to not stepping on cracks in the sidewalk or not walking under a ladder or breaking a mirror, or seeing a black cat cross your path. Superstition.

If you like a decocker, that's fine. Get a gun with a decocker. But keep in mind, most of the stupid accidents happen when folks aren't decocking. Got a lever for those things?
 
It happened to me about 20 years ago with an old 38 Spl ever since then I have been extremely cautious about manual decocking I try to avoid it

the thing about old western single shooters and revolvers in general have a generous hamer spur that allows for better grip/control of the hammer I can cock and decock my Ruger single six all day long with no problem, but I would not feel comfortable doing that with my P220 or my CZ75b or my Browning BDM Walther P5 and so on

Todays most autos have a very short hammer spur of some type with the exeption of some Hi powers and 1911s, and the likes depending on the model

While I can safely decok any gun that has a hamer I just preffer to have a decoker just my prefference.
 
The ones with short hammer spurs typically have decockers.

(Why would you want to manually decock a SIG P220?)

I decock CZs all the time, without NDs.

Not so my CZ aniversary does not have a long hamer spur (no decocker on it), some 1911 also and some Hi powers as well I can name a few more my point is, old western guns have have a totaly different grip/ hamer layout, and no I would not want to manualy decock my
P220 that was the whole point I used that as an example, like many other none decocker models semi autos that have their hamer short to accomodate a better carry profile and to avoid hamer bite, that is just my opinion, obviously you are ok with that and that's ok

all I am saying is no one is perfect, speaking from experience if I can avoid manually decocking I will, I can decok my CZ all day with no AD also.
 
The only reason to decock a gun, generally speaking, is if its a DA/SA gun and you want to start from hammer down. Otherwise you should be unloading it or storing it.

Citing 1911s and BHPs as having decocking issues (due to short hammers) is misleading and inappropriate -- they should be carried cocked and locked or unloaded -- as you certainly don't want to carry a 1911 or BHP hammer down -- as that forces you to manually cock before you engage. To make matters worse, some 1911s would be LESS safe AFTER being manually decocked than before.

I don't know of many other non-decocker guns with short stubby hammer. Got some examples? Especially if they're SA. Darned few that can be carried cocked and locked have short, stubby hammers. My S&W 4043 has a short stubby hammer, too - but it NEVER needs to be decocked -- its DAO and isn't cocked until the trigger is pulled!

Citing a P220 (which does have a stubby hammer, but ALSO a decocker) is misleading -- as it was designed to be decocked by using the lever. No need for a larger hammer, as it shouldn't never be started from the cocked position!

I don't find the "short" spur on a CZ to be all that short. I've also watched many shooters manually decock CZs at matches without problem. (You have to start hammer down in IDPA SSP division.) They just pay attention to what they're doing, and point the gun in a safe direction.

If you DO find the hammer to be short and hard to manipulate, all you have to do is put the thumb (or little finger) from your off hand under the hammer before its lowered -- or grasp the hammer with the thumb and forefinger of the off hand as you slowly pull the trigger. That is not rocket science. The process of decocking is not a fundamentally dangerous process.

If you had a negligent discharge with a revolver, its because you had a lapse -- that one time -- and weren't as careful as you should have been with a loaded gun. It was NOT because that particular gun was inherently dangerous during the decocking process. All guns are inherently dangerous -- they're designed to be.

If you want a decocker gun, get one -- but citing the difficultly of manually decocking decocker models with short hammers, or single action guns with short hammers, a reasons for preferring a decocker design doesn't make your case.

And, until you show me otherwise, I'll continue to say that any non-decocker gun can be decocked manually, safely, with only a modest expenditure of effort and attention.
 
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