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Not dipping, no.
Just three or four drops of oil or water down the "muzzle" will make a difference in the rimfire cans.
Maybe a shade more, but dipping could leave too much liquid inside.

When we tried that in the Silencerco lab, they demonstrated by just a bit of water down the forward end.

Then we re-shot for the sound comps.
Definite difference in sound levels.
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I've heard "dipping" the can will reduce noise better.
I think you're mixing up two different terms here.

"The dip" is a solution of 1/2 hydrogen peroxide and 1/2 white vinegar. The dip is used to chemically remove the lead from the baffles of .22 silencers. So "dipping" the can usually means you're using the dip to clean your can by soaking the baffles in a hydrogen peroxide/vinegar solution.

And shooting a can "wet" means you're using a small amount of an ablative like water or wire pulling gel to temporarily increase the suppression of a silencer; as long as the ablative is in the silencer it's quieter than when the silencer is shot dry. After a few mags or so, it burns off and the can is a little bit louder.

An ablative doesn't really remove first-round pop, it just makes the can quieter overall. And lots of people don't like shooting a can "wet" because of how messy it can be; often you get extra gunk thrown out of the ejection port on a semi-auto.
 
A can of spray computer duster makes a good FRP reducer. Stick the nozzle down the bore and displace all of the oxygen inside the can. Not really practical for hunting but works great for the "raccoon in the front yard" scenario.
 
The duster stuff works well. With a round iin the chamber to plug the back end and the gun on safe of course fill the can with the duster spray and put a piece of tape over the muzzle end. It will stay that way all day.

Or buy a spectre 2.
 
EH?

Thanks for the info on wet vs dry... I also spent another half hour looking into these two cans.

As far as Spectre II vs. Sparrow why the debate? :uhoh: I see Silencershop sells the "quieter" Specter II for a lot less money than the Sparrow... go cheaper and quieter! See below links for what I'm looking at and tell me if I'm way off base, plz.

http://www.silencershop.com/silencers/rimfire/silencerco-spectre-ii.html
http://www.silencershop.com/silencers/rimfire/silencerco-ss-sparrow.html

& I hope this post doesn't stir the pot too much :(
 
Thanks for the info on wet vs dry... I also spent another half hour looking into these two cans.

As far as Spectre II vs. Sparrow why the debate? :uhoh: I see Silencershop sells the "quieter" Specter II for a lot less money than the Sparrow... go cheaper and quieter! See below links for what I'm looking at and tell me if I'm way off base, plz.

http://www.silencershop.com/silencers/rimfire/silencerco-spectre-ii.html
http://www.silencershop.com/silencers/rimfire/silencerco-ss-sparrow.html

& I hope this post doesn't stir the pot too much :(
Got mine on sale for $100. Just saying
 
Interesting discussion, I guess that FRP was not a big factor in my decision because whenever I hunt with my suppressor I'm using it on a rifle and therefore FRP is not present, or at least not noticeable to my (fairly sharp) ears. The same is true for dispatching pests. Usually my .22 can is only on a pistol for range fun, and in that case minor FRP is neither here nor there to me. I do really appreciate the ease of cleaning a SS mono-core though....it's all about what tradeoffs work for you.
 
As far as Spectre II vs. Sparrow why the debate? I see Silencershop sells the "quieter" Specter II for a lot less money than the Sparrow... go cheaper and quieter!
Where did you determine the Spectre II is quieter?
I had to go to Silencerco's site to get DB specs, and it's a toss up - their published specs show the Sparrow quieter with 22LR, the Spectre II is quieter with 17HMR and 5.7mm. This assumes you can believe a manufacturer's published specs, but as long as they're for products from the same company, I'm a little more inclined to believe them.

AFA DB readings, it's been said it has to be at least a 3DB difference before the human ear can detect the difference.

Can't tell you which one I'd get, but off the bat, here's the differences I see:
1. The Sparrow monocore is advertised as easier to clean (but I've questioned that earlier based on my experience).
2. I'm guessing the Sparrow would be easier to take apart due to its clamshell design, although the stacked baffle design of the Spectre II looks like it might come apart easier than the Element 2 due to the different design of the baffles (they almost look like they have a "built in" clam shell?).
3. The Sparrow is around an inch shorter, .3 oz. lighter.
4. I see they say the Spectre II has the quietest FRP of any 22 suppressor, but I'd have to compare it to the Element 2 (my baseline) before I'd believe the advertising.
There's no reason it should not have less FRP than the Sparrow, as it's a stacked baffle design. There's no reason to believe it should not have the same or less than the Element 2 since they've got more internal space to work with (larger silencer, room for more baffles, etc.). Don't forget - the Sparrow is almost an inch shorter than the Spectre II.

AFA price, I'd shop around - there are actually sales on silencers these days, which was rare when I bought mine. The more expensive MSRP silencer might actually be found cheaper since it has been out a while (I think the Spectre II has been redesigned, so they may hang a higher price on it because it's new?).
Don't quote me on the Spectre being redesigned as I'm not familiar with it.

I paid MSRP $554 for my first Sparrow - when I got my White Sparrow I paid $425 for it, and found it for $396 right after I ordered mine! :banghead:

You also have to figure storage / transfer fees, if any.
Our local dealers charge nothing if you buy the silencer from them, but if you buy elsewhere and ship to your local dealer, one local dealer charges $100 - the other charges $45.
 
Where did you determine the Spectre II is quieter?

Uh, I thought you guys mentioned something to that effect earlier in the thread... I'm honestly off base here as I'm not in the market for a can anytime soon due to my state/local ordinances (P.R. Kali) and other collecting priorities. But, I'm glad to have the details and knowledge at my fingertips on THR and feel a little guilty for wading into this thread. :uhoh:

HOWEVER, I mainly prefer the name Spectre II over Sparrow just 'cuz it sounds much cooler and there is a new Bond film coming out soon w/ similar name. See link here:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2379713/?ref_=nv_sr_1

P.S. Wouldn't it be extra cool if the can on his gun in the promo poster WAS a SPECTRE II??? What a cool coincidence that would be... alas the pistol isn't a rimfire. :p
 
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Ive shot most of them side by side. The Spectre2 was quieter to my ear and the first round pop was no different than the 2nd or the third. Ive own 7 .22 cans over the last 15 years ad the specre 2 is the quietest. I did mention I paid $100 for it right ? :p

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