Condition 1000: Gun is still raw iron ore waiting to be mined by a mining company that has not been incorporated yet, sold to a gun manufacturing company that has not been incorporated yet, to be turned into a model that has not been designed yet, to be sold through a new distributor that hasn't been incorporated yet to a new LGS that hasn't opened yet, to a consumer who hasn't been born yet, to load with ammo that has not been made yet by an ammo company that isn't in business yet, using components that haven't been sourced yet, and carried in a holster made with leather from a cow whose great-gradfather hasn't been sired yet.
?FIVE? Gun Conditions?
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The great thing about standards is you have so many to choose from.
Kevin Rohrer
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For the majority of us, there is a single standard and it is what the Colonel advocated.
You mean the majority of the people you know. Perhaps the majority of this board.
The army disagrees, and the number of people in the army is not insignificant.
NRA classes teach a set of safety rules that consists of three safety rules, not four.
What you learn in my classes depends on where we are. The money calls the shots. There's always an agenda. If the classes I'm teaching are being produced by a range using that range's resources, that range's guns, that range's ammo, and you pay the range to take the class, the owner of the range sets the curriculum. Usually in an indoor range in Greater Puget Sound, that means the Cooper Four curriculum. (So named because in Cooper's curriculum there are four safety rules as opposed to the NRA's set of three safety rules.)
The only way to avoid that is to either become the owner or go to the end of the road, and find a nice quiet gravel pit where you can set your own curriculum. (And pursue your own agenda. But I digress.)
Some ranges are straight up NRA ranges. You don't teach there unless you're certified by the NRA. You teach a standard, documented NRA curriculum. That curriculum is very different from anything Gunsite or Cooper teach.
Some ranges are set up to make money from the gun store that is part of the range. I've taught at a range where the curriculum included a tour of the gun store and a segment on gun store etiquette. (I actually thought that was a good idea-- a lot of people could use some instruction on how to act at a gun counter.)
Other ranges are set up to recruit members, and that curriculum included a section on the memberships available. It also included extensive information on the benefits extended to members. The shooting definitely took a back seat to this agenda-- a direct quote from a senior instructor at that range is "teach 'em the safety rules. Show them grip, stance, sight picture, trigger squeeze and follow through. After that, why are you still talking? Take 'em to the line, put the guns in their hands, have them shoot, then store the guns and let's go to dinner."
Intro classes at that range took three hours, start to finish.
I've never seen a range where the classes were the point; the closest I've seen are the NRA ranges, where instructors are frequently volunteers, in spite of the fact that the classes cost a couple hundred dollars.
The NRA Intro curriculum is sixteen hours long. It includes a one hour block of instruction on Why People Own Guns. It is heavily political. It leads into a system of earning badges to sew onto a vest through various accomplishments at an NRA range. It was originally developed for slaves, and then morphed into hunter safety.
It may not be for you. But if you go to to an NRA range, particularly in the summer, the range will be jammed with men and women proudly wearing their badge vests.
If you've been to Gunsite, (as your avatar suggest) then you were taught the Cooper Four. Could it be that that was the only curriculum you've been exposed to? Were you an armorer in the army? That would have exposed you to a different set of conditions of readiness as well as a very different set of safety rules.
I prefer to teach at the end of the road. In my experience here in Puget Sound, I haven't found a range where the curriculum matches what I prefer to teach, so I either teach one on one or in a gravel pit, where I can teach what I think is important.
My point, after all these words, is that there never has been, there is not now, nor will there ever be only one set of either conditions of readiness or sets of safety rules.
shoobe01
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Curiosity, where's this? Cause in KS, you sure cannot have a trampoline, AT ALL, and knives better be up, and oh, the paperwork should be correct or they get real mad but... guns? Whatever. They didn't even look at the safe to make sure I had one, surely didn't care how many, what, that they were loaded, etc.
I took many of the foster kids shooting (we did it for around 10 years), and the workers were not even neutral, but positive about it as a shared family activity etc etc.
Is this a typo? I've never heard anything like that before and can't imagine why a slave-owner would want to train slaves in the use of firearms. In addition, the NRA was founded in 1871, several years after the abolishment of slavery in the U.S.
Sorry, it's freed slaves.
I appear to have believed an urban legend that is not true. My mistake, sorry. I withdraw the statement.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nra-founded-protect-black-people-kkk/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nra-founded-protect-black-people-kkk/
Kevin Rohrer
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Three conditions...
Barrel is cool
Barrel is hot
Barrel is cooling
And in any of those three conditions, keep that barrel pointed in a safe direction
^^This^^
makes a lot more sense than the rant I read above.
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Clearly, everyone needs to carry in Condition Butterscotch
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maybe likes firearms a little bit…
I would rather “show ignored content” when I’m feeling inquisitive, rather than have to plod through the vast field of inanity when is shows up...
Once again, I have not been let down.
“Freed Slaves”? Aren’t those called men? Humans? People?
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