(FL) Robbery Fatal For Bystander

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Amy-
My condolences on your loss. I am truly sorry that you and your family must endure this. I note that it has been nearly three years, and I hope that you can look at the event more objectively now.

I only have one observation, but I believe it to be significant:

Quote: " I think that if the guys that killed my dad had actually known them i think they would feel ALOT worse about themselves. He was what held our family together..."

Please re-think this. The type of "people" that do these things do not "feel" anything in the way that you and I do. They do not know remorse, they do not know shame. They know regret only in the sense that if caught, they regret and resent it. They view their fellow humans as prey.

Do not project your human sympathies onto them. They are human only in the clinical sense. If acquitted, they will repeat their actions ad nauseum.

I hope and pray for your healing. I hope for the conviction and execution of the perpetrators. That is the only thing that prevents someone else from experiencing your pain.


One last point, from your first post:
"hi, my name is amy klotsch. Im Arnies daughter.
He was the worlds greatest dad and he really would have done anyhthng for anyone. He left me behind my two younger sisters and my little brother
he didnt carry a gun. he moved from northern wisconsin we didnt need need guns there"

Amy, there are predators everywhere. There are more some places than others, but no place is free of them. WI has been trying to get CCW law passed since about 2001. Citizens have the right to protect themselves predators.

Please stick around THR, read, share, and learn. We are a big family. We have a unique view of the world, and like most families, disagree from time to time. We tend to do it in a civil manner, though.

Best regards, Rich
 
You are very right on what you said about them havign no feelings, I was actually just looking up the names of the guys that did this to him Richard J Sampeur and Andrew Asher Walters AKA Drew or Murder. They had walters on a 25,000 bond. I mean that is just wrong he is a murderer !!!! I really hope that when my mom goes to court for these guys that justic will be done. Either by life in prision or death penalty.

http://www.sptimes.com/2003/03/20/Hillsborough/Two_store_robbery_sus.shtml

You are also very correct on saying there are bad people everywhere. We were just in a tiny little town there tho. but i understand what you are saying to the fullest.
 
yeah, a lucky guess on my part

:rolleyes: that the perps had run afoul of the law before. There are people out there who do not share the same values as decent folk. Do you know how many repeat offenders there are out there? Estimates vary, but some say that 80-90% of crimes are committed by the same core group of people. Records as long as your arm....

When they are caught, and locked up (or put six feet under) that is true crime prevention.

When foolish juries or idiot judges have "compassion" for them, they go on to prey again. Do a search here or any number of other places for examples.

It is truly unfortunate that there are those who do not understand what is at stake, and doubly so that those who are so well-insulated from reality get to make the rules...
 
Unfortunately this is a sad but increasingly too common event. The bad guys are out there and I believe all of us, as law abiding armed citizens, have a responsibility to curb the un-wanted violence. I am fearful all the time. I never want my wife or children away from me for any amount of time. When did we loose control of our streets, our safety, and our way of life? We need to take back what has so silently,yet steadily been taken from us.
 
P95Carry said:
That is incredibly sad .......... and I guess (or assume) he didn't carry ... coulda made all the difference.:mad:
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You can't shoot fleeing suspects.

You can't draw faster than the bullet can fly.

He had no business being a "nice guy". He chose to, he paid the price. Sad story.
 
He had no business being a "nice guy". He chose to, he paid the price. Sad story.
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I am not sure quite what you are saying there :( Other than making a distinctly unfeeling statement.

Had he (let me add) been adequately aware and read the scene - and been carrying - just perhaps it might have turned out different. It was tho probably ''wrong time - wrong place''.
 
He had no business being a "nice guy". He chose to, he paid the price. Sad story.
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I believe that Amy pointed out (twice) that her father was doing nothing more than driving through the parking lot to pick up his wife.

But even if he was doing more than that, we all pay a price for having too few "nice guys" like him. This act was as random as a lightning strike. If you let arsholes like these guys turn you into something less than nice, then we all lose.
 
thank you for clearing that up once again the MY FATHER WAS NOT CHASING THE MEN THAT SHOT HIM. THEY RAN FROM THE STORE AND SHOT THROUGH THE BACK WINDOW. MAKING IT THAT HE WAS DRIVING IN A TOTALLY DIFFERANT DIRECTION THEN IF HE WERE CHASING THEM. (HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SHOT IN THE WINDSHIELD NOT THE BACK WINDOW!!

That was a terrible crappy and unfeeling thing to say by the way! Terrible mean and upsetting actually

Amy
Arnies Oldest daughter
 
All kinds

Amy,

I lost my father when I was 20. He died of cancer. I was away at school and did not get to see him much. I can understand your loss.

What I wanted to say was remember that this is a fairly open message board. Some of the folks here are young. As long as they are civil, as in not using profanity they can post here.

Keep in mind that not everyone types well and not everything that gets put on the screen is what you actually meant to say. I do not know Ka50 but I find it hard to believe that person meant any harm by what they posted.

I wish you and your family well and hope you can take the best of your fathers caring attitude with you the rest of your life.

dzimmerm
 
Wow, I simply have no words, my condolences for your loss. May justice be satisfied.


God, that's just horrible, thank you for sharing with us.

Be strong.
 
thank you and i will be checking in here until i get home if i can to update or reply to anything

you all have been very nice
thank you
 
It's sad

Dear Amy,

Take comfort in whatever Higher Power you may believe in. Here is a poem I have read many times. There is a link at the bottom to the author's site.


Ascension​

And if I go, while you’re still here…

Know that I live on,

vibrating to a different measure

behind a thin veil you cannot see through.

You will not see me,

so you must have faith.

I wait for the time when

we can soar together again,

both aware of each other.

Until then, live your life to it’s fullest

and when you need me,

just whisper my name in your heart,

…I will be there​

by Colleen C. Hitchcock​

http://www.colleenhitchcock.com/newsite/Purchase.html
 
what a beautiful poem. Thank you for that. I still have not heard any updates as of yet with the date of the trail i will keep everyone posted

amy
 
My sincere condolances.

I realize it has been three years, but things like this can take longer than that to heal. Sometimes they never do, you just move on with it. I'm sorry that your Dad was killed by two cretins. I hope your Mom and younger siblings are getting on as well as you seem to be.

Ka50, I'll be sure to walk on by if you ever need a hand. I'd hate to be Mistaken for a nice guy. :fire: I think someone didn't learn common decency as a little kid.
 
I wonder if KA50 would mind coming back and explaining his comment.
I don't entirely understand what was meant by that? It was rather rude.
At least that is how it read to me.
I kind of doubt it was deliberate to add insult to injury, perhaps a better explanation to Amy for that comment would be appropriate.

Amy, please allow me to extend my condolences as well.
Your family is in my prayers.
Arnold sounds like the kind of guy that made this nation great.
Perhaps if "ash" and "murdax" ( :rolleyes: ) had an uncle or a brother or god forbid a father that was just 1/10th of what Arnold was.
They might have made different choices in their lives, and Arnold would be here being the great man he obviously was.

God bless you for keeping his memory alive and well.
We need more everyday heroes like Arnold (when I say hero I refer to his acts of kindness and his involvement in his community...the true sign of a hero)
 
thank you all so much for being such caring and understanding people.
Yes March 1st will been 3 years since he was murdered. The pain never does go away but it does get easier with time and it makes it better when you can talk to people about it and people are willing to listen.
As far as Ka50 goes, I would like it also if he/she came back and explained himself. And if not oh well I am a better person then they are if they have to say things that are as heartless as that. If it was not meant to be rude then my apologies but for some reason that does seem to be the only way to take that statement.
My mom and younger siblings are doing well they are all still in florida living there own lives and doing their own things. Some of which i aprove and some in which i dont. I know that my father would be proud of me and my life right now.

I hope that everyone has GREAT presidents day weekend, drink have fun and be merry!!!! Lets celebrate and have a glass of wine.!!!!
 
hello to everyone. Today is 3 years since dads murder. Still nothing has happened with the murderers at this time. They sure take a long ass time to prosecute these ???????s as far as i am concerned. I think that they should get the death penalty. If you kill someone you should not be able to live
 
Amy,

I have been following this thread all along but really didn't know what to say since I have never been in a situation like yours. I know it was three years ago today that your father was killed, and I have been thinking about him, you, and your family quite a bit lately. I am finding myself very angry with these men, but most of all, I am very sorry for what has happened to your family. I wish you all the best from a fellow Wisconsinite. Thanks for keeping us posted.

JM
 
"Arnold Klotsch"

Originally Posted by dodgegirl54435
I know that my father would be proud of me and my life right now.
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I'm sure he would! He sounds like a great man, husband and father. You know he still lives in your memory and no one can take that away. I hope you and your family are well on this day. Our thoughts are with all of you.

I didn't know your Dad but from how you describe him I think he would want the best for you. I would like you to think about how 'He' would want you to be living your life. Content knowing that he touched many people and lived a full and loving life however short or angry and vengeful to the scum that did this? I'm sure it's hard but try not to give another thought to his death. Our laws and justice will take care of those that are beneath out thoughts. Celebrate his life whenever you feel him in your heart. I think that's what he would want, don't you?
 
Good evening all. I just to let you know that i think that all of u have been very sweet and supportive. I have to agree with you about living in my fathers eyes in a sence asking would he approve would he be proud so on.......i know that he would i am a damned good girl at 25 years old. i have alot of wants, but i know in time i may or may not get what i want. I bust my ass off and will always do that. I loved my dad dearly and know he is always with me I have to admit i miss hime more then ever but I know that that will never change but It has gotten easier. Crying not as often and so fourth. I DO however think of him every single day. a smell a song something someone says
 
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