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Perhaps I missed this being posted...but just in case. Some serious food for gun control vs people control arguments here. I asked my wife today if she had read about this. She replied, " you mean the shootings in Florida?" The next thing she said was, " you don't need to yell".


http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-08-08-floridakillings_x.htm

Four arrested in Fla. slayings
DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. (AP) — An ex-convict who blamed a young woman for taking his video game system and clothes recruited three teenagers to fatally stab and beat her and five others with baseball bats in a surprise nighttime raid, investigators said Sunday.

Police have arrested and charged (from left to right) Troy Victorino, 27, Robert Cannon, 18, Jerone Hunter, 18 and Michael Salas, 18.
Volusia County sheriff's department, AP

The 22-year-old woman was singled out for such a vicious attack that even dental records were useless in trying to positively identify her. The killings of four men and two women, some in their sleep, early Friday morning followed reports by the victims of harassment.

The suspected ringleader Troy Victorino, 27, of Deltona was "very guarded" during questioning, said Volusia County Sheriff Ben Johnson. Three 18-year-olds confessed after their arrests Saturday. They are Robert Cannon, 18, of Orange City, Jerone Hunter, 18, of Deltona and Michael Salas, 18, of Deltona.

All four were held at the Volusia County branch jail in Daytona Beach for bail hearings Monday. Johnson wants prosecutors to seek the death penalty, saying, "These families will never get over this."

The raging attack was the culmination of events revolving around a nearby vacant home owned by the woman's grandparents and used by squatters as a party house.

"Officials struggling to come up with a motive for the crime believe the killings were committed over the theft of some clothes and an Xbox game system owned by Victorino," a statement from the sheriff's office said. The 6-foot-5 suspect has spent eight of the last 11 years in prison and was arrested as recently as eight days before the killings.

All four suspects were armed with aluminum bats when Victorino kicked in the locked front door, arrest records show. The group wore black clothes and scarves on their faces. They grabbed knives inside and attacked victims in different rooms of the three-bedroom house.

The victims did not put up a fight or try to get away, Johnson said. All six died of beating injuries but also had stab wounds.

Victorino was arrested on a probation violation Saturday. Hunter, who was with him, agreed to accompany investigators for questioning, confessed and identified the other two suspects.

Hunter, a high school wrestler who was the first to enter the victims' house, moved out of his family's house in May but agreed to move back home and start his senior year Monday, his father Dan Washington told The Associated Press. He said his prayers went out to the victims' families.

"He never seemed to be that type ... that was violent," Washington said. "He was a good kid, he just got with the wrong crowd."

Cannon and Salas were pulled over by the sheriff and his chief deputy Saturday night in a sport-utility vehicle that investigators believe carried the assailants to and from the victims' home, Johnson said. Cannon was driving both times.

"These two last night were wandering around like it was business as usual," the sheriff said.

The sixth victim was believed to be Erin Belanger, whose grandparents own the vacant home and spent the summer in Maine. Belanger's father Bill told the Orlando Sentinel for Sunday editions, "There is so much damage to her face a positive identification can't be made with dental records."

Joe Abshire, Belanger's brother-in-law, said he spoke with her last Sunday. She talked about heading to the vacant house to go swimming one day and finding about six people living there. The squatters were kicked out, but deputies were called to the grandparents' house six time in 10 days before the killings. The victims reported a tire-slashing at their home and a threat.

The squatters warned Belanger that "they were going to come back there and beat her with a baseball bat when she was sleeping," Abshire, who is married to Erin's sister Jennifer, told The Sun of Lowell, Mass., for Sunday editions.

"It was a heinous crime. No one wants a loved one to die like this. I'm just sick to death about this," Belanger's aunt, Donna McKay of Lakewood, Wash., told The News Tribune of Tacoma, Wash. She described her niece as "a beautiful person, an absolute sweetheart."

Victorino complained that his belongings were removed from the grandparents' house while he was in jail after his July 29 battery arrest, Johnson said. Victorino found his things boxed up at the victims' house and took them after the killings.

The sheriff's office has identified five of the victims as Michelle Ann Nathan, 19; Anthony Vega, 34; Roberto "Tito" Gonzalez, 28, who recently moved from New York; Belanger's boyfriend Francisco Ayo Roman, 30; and Jonathan Gleason, 18.

Two of the victims were there by chance.

Gleason was staying temporarily and intended to move out Tuesday.

Gonzalez was working with Nathan at a Burger King restaurant and spent the night to be able to get up early with Vega for a painting job.

The bodies were discovered in the rental home about 25 miles north of Orlando after one of Nathan's co-workers asked someone to visit the house because she had not arrived for work.

Victorino's first arrest was in an auto theft when he was 15, according to state records. He has convictions for battery, arson, burglary, auto theft and theft.

In his most recent arrest before the killings, a Deltona car owner said he asked Victorino when he would have a chance to work on his car, according to a police report. Victorino responded by punching the man in the face, splitting open his lip and chipping a tooth.

Victorino is heavily tattooed with five-pointed crowns on his back and left foot, the words "Latin pride" and "dragon," a Dominican flag, Chinese symbols, a phoenix and dice.

Asked about the motive for the killings, Johnson said, "It never surprises me some of the ridiculous things that happen."

The killing spree in the working-class, bedroom community of more than 70,000 people was the deadliest in Florida since 1990, when a man whose car was repossessed shot nine people to death at a Jacksonville loan office before killing himself.


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Copyright 2004 The Associated Press.
 
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It seems that in the past few months,in the Tampa/Clearwater area, there have been alot more crimes popping up in the news. Muggings, home invasions and robberies. There is alot to be happy about in a gun friendly state such as Florida. There were two guys leaving a McDonalds drive through sometime after midnight and two guys walked up to the car, one on each and stuck guns to the driver and passengers head. Both guys knocked the guns away from them and one was carrying his CCW gun and started shooting. The guys fled and were caught.
You would think that the four people that killed the six with such brutality had to been on drugs. Has too many similarities to the Manson mind set.
 
Guy here in California went on a rampage with a baseball bat killing one person and injuring a couple more. I guess it's time to ban or register baseball and softball bats. Can't have the deadly items in the hands of the general public!
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Belanger's brother-in-law, said he spoke with her last Sunday. She talked about heading to the vacant house to go swimming one day and finding about six people living there. The squatters were kicked out, but deputies were called to the grandparents' house six time in 10 days before the killings....The squatters warned Belanger that "they were going to come back there and beat her with a baseball bat when she was sleeping...."There is so much damage to her face a positive identification can't be made with dental records."

So what did she steal?
 
If you do not steal others people's things, you needn't worry about this sort of thing.

6 people slaughtered for the "theft" of an X-box. Sure, why not, that sounds like a reasonable response, the death penalty for simple theft. Hell, it's the 4 guys under arrest who are the REAL victims. :rolleyes:
 
He never seemed to be that type ... that was violent," Washington said. "He was a good kid, he just got with the wrong crowd.
If he had been properly raised he would not have been suseptable to this type of crowd.

If you do not steal others people's things, you needn't worry about this sort of thing.
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So what did she steal?

I'm going to take a guess that she removed some of the squatters posessions from her grandparent's house. Whether that consitutes theft in Florida, I don't know. Whether or not it does, I can't say that I agree with the premise that if we don't do what she did we
..needn't worry about this sort of thing...

the kind of people who kick down your door and beat 6 people to death with baseball bats aren't too likely to be overly scrupulous regarding making sure they have the right person.
 
Ugh, not a nice incident. :fire: This kind of event is a good contradiction to the "Don't own a gun, it will only make the situation more violent" arguments that the anti people spout.

Other lessons to learn:
Get stronger doors.
Take threats seriously.
Keep trash like Victorino in jail.
 
6 people slaughtered for the "theft" of an X-box. Sure, why not, that sounds like a reasonable response, the death penalty for simple theft. Hell, it's the 4 guys under arrest who are the REAL victims.

I need to add, do not hang out with people who steal things.

Regarding the killers, they need to die, too.

My point is that a theif and her compatriots who die as a result of their crimes and/or their association with criminals are not really victims.
 
My point is that a theif and her compatriots who die as a result of their crimes and/or their association with criminals are not really victims.
OK this is too much.
Read the damn story. Nothing was stolen., items that were illegally placed in her grandparents house by people who were illegally trespassing at her grandparents house were removed whike the trespassers were in jail. They were found still boxed up at the murdered victims house. If they were boxed up they and not being used why would they have been stolen.
If you break into my house and set up camp while I'm away and leave your crap there I am in no way compelled to keep you crap in that house.
And your assertions that the visitors were somehow at fault in their own deaths is just plain ridiculous

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^And also, who's the source of this stolen X-box and clothes "reason" for killing them? The killers! You think maybe they could be making that up? You think there's a big chance that x-box wasn't obtained legally by the killers in the first place? You think that a more likely reason for their actions was the issue of them squatting in the girl's grandmother's house and her and her friends chasing them out? Deputies were called there 6 times in the 10 days before the killings. Why didn't they catch them?


Here's how it should have gone down. Door gets kicked in. Bang, bang, bang, bang. "Hello Sheriff, could you send your deputies down here for the 7th and last time to clean up this pile of trash that i discovered in the living room?"
 
This incident was too close for comfort. A lot of the guys from our department live there. All of these men have CCWs and carry every where they go. I believe earlier this year a thug was shot trying to hold up a Blockbuster. The father of the clerk(the victim), was waiting to pick up his son(clerk), he saw the thug confront his son with a weapon,(don't remember what weapon it was). The father then shot the thug with his 45 caliber. I believe killing him,(not sure it was a while ago). When I lived there 15 years ago, it was just a sleepy little bedroom community....

After those murders the other day, I immediately called all my buds up there and asked if they were armed and did they have enough: weapons , ammo, mags, etc. I would have gladly loaded up the trunk and made sure everybody had plenty.

Yeah, Central Florida is a place of good times, Disney, Seaworld, natural springs , rivers and lakes. But there are still alot of scumbags lurking around, watching for a chance.... Be careful
 
Sure, why not, that sounds like a reasonable response, the death penalty for simple theft.

Gee whys everyone getting so upset, if it was a gun owner in Texas shooting a thief everyone would be yellin Hosanna...

WildandsoitgoesAlaska
 
As a landlord, I'm REQUIRED to hang onto stuff removed from my property if left behind by evictees OR abandoners. If I fail to keep it safe I can be held civilly liable for loss or damage.

So, I get stiffed on rent then have to pay for a storage unit for their crap.

No theft involved.

Heck, if the squatters weren't evil and stupid, they probably could have just asked for/demanded their stuff back. As a property owner I'd rather give them their crap then have them come back with a 10 bucks of gas and a match. Who'd ever see baseball bats comin?

But these animals had to be "tough".

:rolleyes:
 
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Gee whys everyone getting so upset, if it was a gun owner in Texas shooting a thief everyone would be yellin Hosanna...

You're going to have to show me which thread it was where I made a supportive comment on Texas law regarding the use of deadly force in defense of property. I can only recall disagreeing with that concept.

While you're at it you're going to have to explain what a Texas home owner shooting a fleeing car thief, or what a Texas shop owner shooting a fleeing robber, has to do with this Florida massacre where this psycho and his homies slaughtered 6 innocent victims in a revenge killing.

Are you saying that someone here on THR has advocated the right of Texans to hunt down theives and mete out a death penalty for simple theft. I certainly haven't.

My comment that you quoted was intended to make the point that, even if one of the victims had indeed stolen the x-box, the response was grotesquely disproportinate and unjustified, and that generally stating that the victim brought this on herself is ludicrous.
 
You're going to have to show me which thread it was where I made a supportive comment on Texas law regarding the use of deadly force in defense of property. I can only recall disagreeing with that concept.

Wasnt really directed at you, just general irony....Glad you join me in lack of bloodthirstiness.......

My comment that you quoted was intended to make the point that, even if one of the victims had indeed stolen the x-box, the response was grotesquely disproportinate and unjustified, and that generally stating that the victim brought this on herself is ludicrous.

My comment was intended to make the point that shooting a car thief in the back as has been applauded on this Board is eqaully grotesquely disproporinate and unjustified...

WildmurderismurderAlaska
 
My comment was intended to make the point that shooting a car thief in the back as has been applauded on this Board is eqaully grotesquely disproporinate and unjustified...

WildmurderismurderAlaska

Thanks for the clarification. I get you now, I think we're on the same page.
 
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Please report on their demeaner, if you can.
I have a theory that these young toughs will be crying for their mothers when they get to GP .
Back in '92 I was in with some tough guys , one was in a shoot out with the cops, one kidnapped a 15 year old girl after beating her 60 year old father, and one that I never did find out what he did but it involved a minor andhe was looking at a possible death sentance.
The first 2 cried alot, one would rock himself to sleep crying like a baby. The last guy never cried but looked lost, confused and scared all the time.
 
Florida has hungry gators. Why waste electricity when you can punish criminals /and/ help the environment at the same time?
 
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