Florida: "Supplies, weapons flying off shelves"

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from the Palm Beach Post

Supplies, weapons flying off shelves

By Teresa Lane, Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, March 19, 2003

Handguns, military assault weapons and MREs (Meals Ready to Eat) were flying off the shelves at T.H.B. Sales in Fort Pierce Tuesday, where salesman Beau Griffith was so busy he had little time to talk to a reporter between sales.

"This morning they started buying anything and everything," said Griffith, who sells new and used guns, ammunition, hunting supplies and some survivalist gear. "After 9/11 it picked up and it hasn't stopped, really. Half our business is women, but it's men who come in more during wartime. Everybody's looking for self-defense weapons."

Monday evening, President Bush issued an ultimatum to Iraq's leader, Saddam Hussein, to surrender within 48 hours, making many rethink their personal security plans as war seemed imminent.

Stuart gun dealer Ron Lenard described gun sales as "brisk" the past several weeks, saying many people are buying guns to protect their families.

Lenard, an NRA certified instructor, said his classes for gun safety have been filled the past six weeks with new gun buyers.

"I don't usually take more than eight people in a class," said Lenard, who now holds classes weekly instead of every other week. "Normal classes have five or six people, but now I'm running with eight or nine a class."

At Quick's Industrial Surplus in Fort Pierce, owner Bob Quick answers dozens of calls a month from customers looking for Army surplus gear and gas masks, but Quick sells a different kind of surplus goods -- industrial machinery.

"I send them down to the Army surplus store on Military Trail in West Palm Beach," said Quick, whose business is listed under "surplus and salvage merchandise" in the telephone Yellow Pages. "The calls always pick up when people get jittery."

At Delray Gun Center in Delray Beach, perhaps a few more customers than usual walked in the door looking to stock up on ammunition. If the first Gulf War is any gauge, that will change, owner Mike Caruso said. Business shot up 30 percent once the shooting began.

"It's got to be visual," Caruso said. "They've got to see the bombs drop on CNN."

At Grey Goose Gunsmithing Inc. in Port St. Lucie, owner Judy Woerfel is waiting for the same crush of customers she saw after Sept. 11, 2001, when "people were standing in line to buy guns."

"Our business was up two times after that, and it lasted for several weeks," Woerfel said. "It'll probably start up again any time."

But it was baseball as usual at Thomas J. White Stadium in Port St. Lucie, where the New York Mets are still playing games and practicing their curve balls just as they were a week ago.

Off-duty police officers in uniform always have worked as security officers at games and the Mets have their own security guards, but beyond that Mets officials are mum on their protective measures. "Fans coming to the ballpark will be well protected," spokesman Jay Horwitz said. "People shouldn't have any fear or trepidation about coming out to the park."

Palm Beach Post staff writers Pat Moore and David Sedore contributed to this story.

Palm Beach Post staff writers Pat Moore and David Sedore contributed to this story.

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Too little, too late, too ignorant.

The time to prepare is well in advance of any anticipated problem.

But, let's look on the bright side. These people will allow retailers to rotate their stocks and bring in fresh stuff. And there should be a good selection of used but little-used firearms for sale in a few months.
 
Too little, too late, too ignorant.

I disagree. If they or their families aren't dead yet, then it's not too late.

Heck, I'm thinking about using this war as an excuse to go buy that AR-15 I've always wanted. I wouldn't want to be stuck with just my shotgun if I saw some terrorists coming down the street tomorrow! :)
 
I just don't get it. I realize there is some deep underlying subconscious need to protect your self/family but what do you really expect to do? Are you expecting Idi Amin to come down main street with a thousand Iraqi terrormongers in tow? Are you thinking that the war in the ME will have repurcussions in your cul-de-sac?

I have weapons all around at home and work, but you don't see me buying more ammo or guns. Even if there were terrorist attacks here, in retaliation, would I be in a position to stop them? Heck, if I saw a terrorist with a bomb strapped to his chest, like in Israel, I'd shoot him without hesitation.....but what are the odds?

I just don't understand where this stuff comes from. I might buy some bottled water in case of a power outage, but that's something I get to do regularly living where I do. Buying tons of ammo or a "black rifle" just doesn't make sense.
 
About the only reason at this point to go buy a black rifle and a ton of ammo is in the event of "popular unrest" aka riots. South Florida has a history of riots and just about any excuse they can think of is enough to start one.

Of course, if you live there, you should have already been prepared for just such an event.


Edited to correct really bad spelling and grammar.
 
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What HK said

I'm concerned about civil unrest. Also about infrastructure breakdown, having to get my meat from the woods-which I can do here in NH.

ANother point: war always makes ammo scarce, especially .22. Went out to get a couple of bricks of my favorite squirrel ammo, and could only find a brick and a half. Bought it all, and when the dealer went online to order more, there wasn't any to be had.

So stock up now, folks. It won't go to waste.
 
I just don't get it. I realize there is some deep underlying subconscious need to protect your self/family but what do you really expect to do? Are you expecting Idi Amin to come down main street with a thousand Iraqi terrormongers in tow? Are you thinking that the war in the ME will have repurcussions in your cul-de-sac?
Remember the Y2k gyrations? People did all kinds of things to "prepare" for the chaos to come, and many of those people didn't think there would be any problem at all. But members of their families did, or they were at least worried enough about it to take actions to "be prepared."

Taking actions in the face of possible problems makes people feel better, mainly because doing nothing bothers them more.
 
DO NOT BUY ANYTHING YOU WON'T NORMALLY EAT OR SHOOT.

That said, it wouldn't be a bad idea to stock up on stuff that you _will_ normally eat or shoot.

I mean, I've got a friend who _still_ has cases of MREs sitting from the Y2K bit...
 
Dumb, ignorant....yeah, sure!!!!

But isn't it a wonderful opportunity to rationalize why you just MUST have that Bushmaster AR-15, AK-47, FAL etc, RIGHT NOW, BY GOLLY!!!!

And of course, a couple of cases of ammo for same!!
 
But isn't it a wonderful opportunity to rationalize why you just MUST have that Bushmaster AR-15, AK-47, FAL etc, RIGHT NOW, BY GOLLY!!!!

Exactly! That dang frugality in me always needs to have an excuse to spend.
 
I can dig the whole buy-it-cause-it's-a-good-excuse vibe. I'm totally into the idea, even.

What scares me is the idea of these yuppies and the like running out to get that-gun-I-saw-in-that-movie. Granted, there should be some good deals in the want ads in the next few months, but do they really think they'll need them? Do they think that buying them now will magically make up for years of ignoring personal defense and the preparation/instruction that they've missed out on?

Given the choice, I'd love a Knight's Armament Sr15 with ARMS system and light. And a supercool VangComp 12g to handle close-in encounters. And that Emerson/Surefire combo for sentry removal. And don't forget...

I guess I'll just have to make do with my .22 rifle/pistol and a few other tidbits.
 
Under stress, a lot of people will feel the need to 'DO SOMETHING'. if buying a gun and some other supplies fulfills this need, so be it. Are we likely to need a gun purely because of the war? Nope. Does buying one really hurt anything? Not if you know or are willing to learn how to use it.

I have 2 jobs. I'm a paramedic, and a cubicle rat. On 9/11/01, I was sitting in my cubicle when 'it' happened. I immediately headed into the fire station I work out of. Did I need to? Nope. Did it make me feel better to be 'DOING SOMETHING'? Yup. No harm, no foul.

Maybe this will be a catalyst that causes more people to maintain a prepared stance.
 
Go for it!

Buy it pd! You never know if your going to need it or not. Use the War as an excuse. That way you pick up a cool rifle with a legendary history.

I am not worried about terrorists just the fools that will panic and cause hate and discontent in our country.

Beter to have than have not!:D
 
I walked into a local gunshop today that generally has a large number of SAR-1's hanging around as well as various other AK types.

Today they were all gone. Even the pre-ban folding stocked model with the artificially inflated price tag. Also sold-out were all the AK magazines.

The owner said that on Tuesday, the day after the President's 48 hours speech people started coming in and buying them.

There were plenty of various AR-15 variants laying around though. You can take that for what it's worth.
 
What scares me is the idea of these yuppies and the like running out to get that-gun-I-saw-in-that-movie. Granted, there should be some good deals in the want ads in the next few months, but do they really think they'll need them?

One CHL instructor friend of mine tells me that after 9-11, his business picked up substantially. What's the chance that any of us will ever take down a terrorist with our sidearm? Infinitesimal. "Osama is running loose, so I better get me a gun" doesn't make any logical sense.

I think that one side effect of the wave of post-9/11 patriotism is that more Americans are waking up to our Second Amendment freedoms as well to the fact that responsibility for our safety is not something that can merely be delegated to the government. We found out that when it comes to airline safety, *we* are the airline safety system.

Assuming that my neighbors are as responsible and law-abiding as we are, then I hope they buy and practice with their new ARs and AKs. Increasing the number of responsible gun-owners - even if they are yuppies - makes it that much more difficult for anti-gun politicians to push through their agenda outside of NJ, NY and Kalifornistan.

It appears to me that our side is generally winning at the state level, notwithstanding the Ninth Circuit. Anyone know offhand how many states have passed shall-issue CHL laws in the past ten years? Even at the federal level, we've managed to block the worst gun control schemes hatched by Schumer, Feinstein, Kennedy et al. Even in the wake of the DC sniper murders, ballistic "finger-printing"schemes appear dead in the war. Our side is on a roll, even if the various gun lobby groups do not want to admit this since keeping us in panic mode makes it easier to get donations. ("Send money now and help us defeat the latest UN-inspired gun-grab plans!")

BTW, I hope that the Silveira v. Lockyer decision makes it to the Supreme Court. If the Supremes finally rule that the Second Amendment is an individual right and overturn the California law, so much the better for us. Let a million lawsuits bloom to strike down every unconstitutional law that infringes our 2nd Amen rights.

Even if they deny an individual right and uphold California's ban, then that can have a good effect, too. As it is now, only a tiny number of us gunnies are actually political. I can think of nothing more likely to get the rest of the 80 million gun owners off their butts than a decision from the SCOTUS that the state or federal gov can ban their firearms - pistols, EBGs, hunting rifles, shotguns - with the stroke of a pen.

Regards,

Bill

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Aikibiker...

"There were plenty of various AR-15 variants laying around though. You can take that for what it's worth."

Around here SAR-1s are less than half the price of AR-15s and similar rifles. For someone making an impulse purchase, price is probably a major consideration. This is a more likely explanation than any implied superiority of the SAR-1.
 
FPrice,

Come on don't you find the endless AK vs. AR debates amusing?

As for me I know that the M1 Garand is the finest infantry weapon ever made. Or have I seen Saving Private Ryan to many times?

Too bad I can't afford any of the above.
 
Aikibiker...

"As for me I know that the M1 Garand is the finest infantry weapon ever made. Or have I seen Saving Private Ryan to many times?"

If you had REALLY seen Saving Private Ryan you would know the the Thompson M1A1 submachinegun is the finest infantry weapon ever made! :D

I finally got to fire one this past fall at a local machine gun shoot. Nice.
 
A Korean War vet I know loved the Thompson for clearing trenches and huts and such, but he said when they knew for sure that the Chinese were going to attack, the M1 was the most comforting small arm to have. Actually he goes on and on about both of them and the M2 full auto carbine. I don't know how he managed to get ahold so many over the course of the war, but I know that as the company medic he got to store the ones he wasn't using on a supply truck. He also has a great story about the quad fifty anti aircraft mount and a human wave attack.....

I would happily give closet space to either if someone on THR is trying to make room for something else.


I do hate to contribute to thread drift.

Hey let the panicking sheep buy everything they want, hopefully when I have money they will be ready to sell it off cheap.
 
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